genies took out the role of the classes??

I don't think so tbh.
It's just annoying sometimes because usually the veno knows what mobs run or not. (at least I do) and you make sure those are pulled last.
Also it's safer when a veno lures. I've seen times ppl run close to a group of mobs to lure 1 and take them all back with them. . .
I don't really mind other ppl luring normal mobs. but when it's not pole or nob. I lure the boss...( I check if everyone has full hp/mp and check if everyone is ready) if the barb or any other class does. I tell them that I'm the lurer >_> and that they should let me do my job at least at the boss then. They usually agree on that b:chuckle

Dominatiger - Sanctuary wrote: »

Venos for me are just another DD.

Sure venos can have herc but remember that every boss veno+herc can tank so cleric+barb can do as well and better.

I always say this to everyone and its the truth:

Barb and cleric work the others just come along.

Yeap.We need our furry pets to as well to do the tanking in which we provide great healing to.

Dominatiger - Sanctuary wrote: »

Venos for me are just another DD.

Sure venos can have herc but remember that every boss veno+herc can tank so cleric+barb can do as well and better.

I always say this to everyone and its the truth:

Barb and cleric work the others just come along.

Indeed barbs are the undisputed champs of tanking, and clerics, healing, however, sometimes imo it could very well be vice versa too, hercs/veno's (pre-90) do one hell of a job of tanking most bosses, without too much aggro tag. (switching of aggro) A veno's pet hits full damage on the bosses, while it's true 2 people out-damage the damage of one mob, it is still less costly on the barb/cleric for a veno to tank.

/end off topic... ish

I really don't think that the genies have truly ruined the roll of any class in game, they just made it more plausible to do things without a barb or cleric, which was doable even before genies. Genies are just the icing on the cake that makes it more... fun to eat... err easier to complete something without a specific class there, doing all or most of the work.

As a blademaster I know how much we struggled to hold aggro compared to a barb, or even a herc veno, and genies has made it so much easier to do so. Yes we could in the past, with the right skills, DD's holding back long enough to ensure they don't pull aggro and cause a wipe, and other unseen variables, like dc's, etc. =x

Guess it really depends on the squad, people are impatient these days, some feel a veno's pet takes too long to run up, and pull a mob away, which is way safer btw, I have had a zeal genie pull more then one mob before. =x

Genies just make it easier/faster to start a quad with make shift tanks, clerics, etc, but it is still far simpler/safer to find the classes who can do it without a genie. Though others classes will suffice with or without the genie just fine, just depends on the controller of the character.

Ranchdressin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yea GL DDing that boss w/ only a barb hitting it. b:chuckle

Seriously, I say all DDs boycott partying with that guy for a week.

Watch him come crawling back after he realizes his repair costs are skyrocketing and the time it takes him to kill a boss is unbelievable.

Dominatiger - Sanctuary wrote: »

Venos for me are just another DD.

Sure venos can have herc but remember that every boss veno+herc can tank so cleric+barb can do as well and better.

I always say this to everyone and its the truth:

Barb and cleric work the others just come along.

Enjoy your repair costs duoing a high lvl TT with just cleric and barb. You need DD's to get anything done in a resonable timeframe

PS.
Genie.... hype? They'v been out for like a year now, where do you get that they are a hype?

Genies put a nice twist on pve. Pvp is another story.

The only time it bothers me is when barb, or bm, or whoever is using genie skill to lure. Randomly decides to stop and start doing it throughout the instance, and somehow expects me to telepathically know they are/aren't doing it on said mob. Then proceed to yell if I'm waiting. Either let me do it all the way through or you do it. But people who can't communicate just blargh. b:sad

Hakiii - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The only time it bothers me is when barb, or bm, or whoever is using genie skill to lure. Randomly decides to stop and start doing it throughout the instance, and somehow expects me to telepathically know they are/aren't doing it on said mob. Then proceed to yell if I'm waiting. Either let me do it all the way through or you do it. But people who can't communicate just blargh. b:sad

It's hard for them to type their communications with paws.

_vincent - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Genies have good skills, but they do not replace the role of a class.

Genie vs Veno

-Pulling. Sure, a genie can pull, but a Veno can undoubtedly pull better and is safer.
^ Ture.

-Amping. Yea, Extreme Poison and the Veno's Amp skill are very similar, but using extreme poison sucks out stamina out while a veno can DD and use their Amp skill.

^ Also the sage version gives a 30% dmg increase and demon version lasts 6 secs longer witch is another reason why venos are better.

-Chi Skill. Cloud Eruption gives a spark and then some but once again, it costs stamina.

^ And demon has a 20% chance of giving 2 sparks.

-Reflect Buff -> Venos

Summary: Unless you have a lot of Stamina in your genie that you could care less about, a Veno as a member of your party is better in my opinion.

Genie vs Archer

-The -HP% skill. Yep, Genies get this too but Archers can DD and make bosses go faster. Don't think genies can DD efficiently.

Not saying that Genie's are bad, but they're more of a way to make things easier. The core classes are still needed (tank, healer, DDers, and pullers) and genie's can't replace them. Skills like Alpha Male, Tree of Protection, and Holy Path are useful but do not replace the entire of a class.

Like what he said genie skills are used only to help a class in need and the dev's made the genies to a point so they won't replace the role of another class.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Lol, no.

I did 2-3 with a level 99 veno. Herc was tanking and I was in tiger form using alacrity to cancel the attack, the herc still kept dying, even with me cancelling every time.


Once you get to 90+, stamina isn't an issue with OHT daily.

Lol, why use the herc? A lvl 100 veno (herself) just tanked wurlord in 2-3 hard for me yesterday XD.

P.S. yes there were clerics lol.

On Topic:

Genies can't replace anyone, you can't have all the necessary skills on your genie to replace all the possible useful skills a whole class can bring to the table. The make some things easier, but they don't replace.

For PvE, at lower levels, venos are great for making money and herc-tanking. At higher levels, they are useful for brambling the tank to help the tank hold aggro. At end game, they're just a weak DD. Pretty useless really.

Riverwell - Archosaur wrote: »

It annoys me to no end to have a veno in the squad and other people pulling with genies. I don't care if it takes a bit longer, let the veno pull, it's safer, especially when you're luring guards around a boss.

true
it is so anoying when you are a veno and you know your pulling would make things much safer and they don't let u pull cause:

1: u feel useless since that's your role (besides dd and debuff at the boss)
2: you are likely to see people dyeing when genies pull more than 1 mob, which was unnecessary -.-'

Straight truth for the OP. A genie has a very limited distance at which it will attack. A veno's pet has a superior range in comparison, therefore is far less likely to pull one and aggro/link all the others nearby. Veno just depops the pet if that happens, then re-summons it. Only the intended mob is pulled.

And, while they do have dd and healing skills, genies are not effective as either. More like just support. There is no replacing the dd of a BM, Archer, or Veno.

My barb friend used to complain a lot about venos playing the barb role and 'wanting to tank everything' So eventually I came back informing him about all the barbs that like to pull with the genies or even a bow and arrow sometimes >_>. Its nice when pets tank because that means less repair bill for the barbs, clerics don't have to tick their mp charm if they have one, and if the pet dies the barb can always be the back up tank. And its nice when barbs pull because sometimes the mob can one shot the veno before she can get her pet resummoned. It's also really convenient if she is using a herc. Because I get annoyed at having to rebuff him all the time after summoning and stowing him, and making sure he doesn't have his reflect skill on while pulling (..disastrous).

When I first made a veno, I was excited about having a 'job' you know? Something I was needed for and only I could do ^^. But after I started doing bh's I was kind of taken by surprise that I hardly ever needed to pull, it was always a higher level veno, or a more aggressive veno, or someone with a zeal or someone that could solo or the barb wanted to tank everything by groups. I got used to it pretty quick. However the one barb that would rather waste inven space and money for arrows so he could do something that I was perfectly capable of doing on my own with less hassle was kind of offensive. But hey, its his problem not mine b:pleased


EDIT: Also agree with one thing Borsuc mentioned, it is very annoying when someone pulls with genie and then all of a sudden QQ or get irritated when the veno doesnt pull. Tell us when you want us to pull, otherwise we are gonna kick back and let you do the job you have so eagerly taken earlier. And secondly, please tell us when YOU are going to pull. I don't like sending my pet in after one mob and then someone runs in pulling another and have it be my fault that the barb didn't aggro the other and it started chasing the cleric for healing.