Endgame Helm

_Leif - Lost City
_Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
edited May 2010 in Assassin
I was originally considering Warsoul of Earth, but I just noticed the Gold Frost Helm on pwdatabase. It's base hp is considerably less than warsoul (200 vs 460), but it is G12 (warsoul's G13) and only requires 105 str, which means I wouldn't have to sacrifice any dex at all. At lvl 101 with +5 refines, Frost Helm would give an extra 18 dex (arguably better than the 1% crit on warsoul helm), but only 450 hp compared to warsouls 735. The other major bonus is the +6 mp regen, which would help greatly with being stealthed for prolonged periods.

So all in all, frost helm gives more damage and a nice boost to stealth potential while warsoul gives a little under 300 additional hp. I can't decide b:surrender

Shining Snow Helm
Warsoul of Earth
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  • LifeHunting - Heavens Tear
    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'd personally go with the Snow helm.

    The +6 MP regen, will work very well to decrease the amount of MP sucked out of a MP charm (if you have one) equiped. Along with that, the higher your MP regen is the better you can regen MP before it's sucked out, which in the long run would make you even better with stealth.

    Since there is also a +6 (and +3, and i think a +9) MP regen in some tomes, it would add together and give upwards of +15 (if you get the +9 one).
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm personally going for a Love: Up and Down, but i agree that the mp revovery tome is a good one to combo with the shining snow
  • LifeHunting - Heavens Tear
    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Well my sin (on Lost City), is the 4 dex, 1 str build. So crit and things like that don't worry me.

    Though I do want to be able to be in stealth mode for a long **** time, even while AFK, so I can avoid the very often BM/Barb pop-up and death. (Sin is currently lvl 21, but I know what i'm talking about from my experience of PvP on this guy)


    Though...Hopefully it's easy to find LA with +MP Regen on it....if so, i'm gonna stack that and + Dex, along with a little + Str XD
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Well I'm mainly going for Love: Up and Down for the interval, although the other adds are quite nice. As for mp regen gear, I can already stealth indefinitely (+20 mp regen overall w/o cleric buffs). Only problem is most mp regen gear isn't very.. high quality? Among other things, I'm currently wearing a lvl 30 belt, 5x necklace, and 4x arcane hat.

    And there's no such thing as too much crit =o
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well my sin (on Lost City), is the 4 dex, 1 str build. So crit and things like that don't worry me.

    Though I do want to be able to be in stealth mode for a long **** time, even while AFK, so I can avoid the very often BM/Barb pop-up and death. (Sin is currently lvl 21, but I know what i'm talking about from my experience of PvP on this guy)


    Though...Hopefully it's easy to find LA with +MP Regen on it....if so, i'm gonna stack that and + Dex, along with a little + Str XD

    This was my sins gear at 85
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=6f7b21f3d1bfaf81

    10 MP regen from cape and neck, +1 mp regen base made me lose 4MP/Sec in stealth.
    With cleric buff i gain 6MP/Sec in stealth

    Prior to 60 i also used
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8321 +3 MP/sec
    and
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8332 +2MP/sec



    At 90 i lose the cape for lunar cape (-int). i already changed the neck for SDP leaving me with just +3MP/sec but with cleric buff i only lose 1MP/sec which is easily manageable.
    I will gain 90 Gold boots (taken for set dex bonus with wrists, boost to fire resist and move speed was nice too though the dex is what makes up for the vit loss from 90green) giving me +4MP/sec making cleric buff cause stealth to use 0MP/sec. wont gain mp but wont lose. not too bad.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=97d3a0a40d73b61b
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm keeping my Nature's Breath permanently solely for the purpose of infinitely stealthing for WQ or any other PvE needs, and switching to Sky Demon/Lionheart for PvP or whenever I won't be stealthing for prolonged periods of time (+7 mp regen is damn useful). And time to upgrade out of rank 4 trawne b:chuckle

    And are you planning to upgrade out of lion spirit at a later point or is that your endgame helm?
  • Plicid - Heavens Tear
    Plicid - Heavens Tear Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I had once thought FF gold helm was a good end game helm till I noticed one thing about it. It is considered an arcane helm. This means it gets horrible HP from refining. if you not planning on going higher than +2 or +3 you may not notice a huge difference but if you are going +5 anytime in the future choose a different helm. Good stats but even aqua horribleness is a better end game helm for that one reason.
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Arcane helms don't refine the same as arcane armor (as in heavy armor refining better than arcane). The Shining Snow Helm refines just as well as any other G 12 helmet
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    _Leif - Lost City wrote: »
    Arcane helms don't refine the same as arcane armor (as in heavy armor refining better than arcane). The Shining Snow Helm refines just as well as any other G 12 helmet

    Arcane hats dont refine the same as regular helmets. This frost hat, however, is different from most arcane hats. note the higher str req than arcane hats. It's pretty much a LA hat. not quite a full helmet but not meant for robe users.

    _Leif - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm keeping my Nature's Breath permanently solely for the purpose of infinitely stealthing for WQ or any other PvE needs, and switching to Sky Demon/Lionheart for PvP or whenever I won't be stealthing for prolonged periods of time (+7 mp regen is damn useful). And time to upgrade out of rank 4 trawne b:chuckle

    And are you planning to upgrade out of lion spirit at a later point or is that your endgame helm?

    my sin is still 89 and only at 15k Rep. once i get the 35k rep i'll switch to rank 6 top until then i'm keeping that one. i'll be using lionheart until i get nirvana hat.
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I got a max stat one for 5 mil b:victory.

    Possibly upgrade to nirvana at some point, but I think this is a pretty good option til then
  • I_Snipe - Lost City
    I_Snipe - Lost City Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Plicid - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This means it gets horrible HP from refining. Good stats but even aqua horribleness is a better end game helm for that one reason.

    Technically, Shining Snow Helm gets the same amount of HP refine as a similar G12 Helmet. It just starts off with a lower Base HP which is why it would have less HP than a G12 Helmet with the same refines.

    Shining Snow Helm G12
    Base HP: 120
    +5: 373
    +6: 452
    +10: 1101

    Helm of Aqua Viciousness G9
    Base HP: 215
    +5: 399
    +6: 456
    +10: 928

    **Ethereal Calmland G12 [Old Heaven's Tear Lvl 90 Arcane Helm]
    +5: 155
    +6: 203
    +10: 602

    I own a +5 Gold Frost Helm and have seen many people with +5 Aqua. The +5 refines are exact.

    Here's a link to some other helms commonly worn by LA
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=7914432&postcount=5
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Acutally, that post was what led me onto this whole topic to begin with lol
  • Ichigo_K - Lost City
    Ichigo_K - Lost City Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=60502ded2dda42ed

    Thats my gear at the moment, Just waiting for the weapon(thats how i'll have it )
    q_q wish i hadnt gained all the rep in such a rush, waiting for the wep now is killing me ><b:cry
    +Goals Reached+
    First Assasin with nirvana pants~lostcity~
    4.0 & 5.0 Hits per second~
    reached 500 dex+~
    Highest Hp'd interval assasin ~lostcity~
    b:sad until pc passes me b:cry
  • Ichigo_K - Lost City
    Ichigo_K - Lost City Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ichigo_K - Lost City wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=60502ded2dda42ed

    Thats my gear at the moment, Just waiting for the weapon(thats how i'll have it )
    q_q wish i hadnt gained all the rep in such a rush, waiting for the wep now is killing me ><b:cry

    Some reason its showing my critrate and my hp lower,
    Im 30% crit and 6538 hp and 3900 pdef
    +Goals Reached+
    First Assasin with nirvana pants~lostcity~
    4.0 & 5.0 Hits per second~
    reached 500 dex+~
    Highest Hp'd interval assasin ~lostcity~
    b:sad until pc passes me b:cry
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ichigo_K - Lost City wrote: »
    Some reason its showing my critrate and my hp lower,
    Im 30% crit and 6538 hp and 3900 pdef

    what daggers you got right now? frost daggers would give you that 2% crit your missing... does champ helm really have 2% crit? thought it was one b:surrender

    also: you got 10/10 nirvana pants? damn nice QQ
    I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington
  • XWizz - Lost City
    XWizz - Lost City Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Trawne - Lost City wrote: »
    what daggers you got right now? frost daggers would give you that 2% crit your missing... does champ helm really have 2% crit? thought it was one b:surrender

    the one he has put on his character is the second, upgraded one...the Tianwen one...idk how you get it but it is really nice
    Reasons to be an Assassin - Invisibility...and the additional benefit of doing damage that should be illegal.

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