whats an arcane cleric?

novizion
novizion Posts: 1 Arc User
edited May 2010 in Cleric
ive herd about them but since im new i know nothing about them lol. for my 1st char i want to make a cleric but i dont want a crazy squishy one and arcane clerics sound cool XD. anyone know anyhting about them like what stat u get up per lvl ext. ect.
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    cleric is a magic class so the main attribute to increase damage is magic.

    there are 3 kinds of armour for all classes:

    heavy: requires a ton of strength and some dexterity. offers best protection against melee but poor vs. magic attacks.
    arcane: requires a ton of magic and little strength. offers best protection against magic but very poor vs. melee.
    light: requires some strength and dexterity. it's somewhat balanced. not particularly weak in any aspect but not great either.

    so when people say arcane cleric is that the cleric wears arcane. as you see arcane is the most logical for a magic class but it's not perfect.
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  • Sylredrae - Sanctuary
    Sylredrae - Sanctuary Posts: 209 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Arcane is pretty much one of the best options for a cleric, although Light armour is good too. If you want to go arcane, you will be squishy unless you go absolutely NUTS with your gear. It can be compensated for by adding a lot of points in vitality while sacrificing magic attack. I've seen 80ish clerics with well over 5k hp walking around. That's... a lot of hp for a cleric...
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  • Neftis_ - Heavens Tear
    Neftis_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Arcane build is a n00b build, useless. Best option for new cleric would be pure str, best in low lvls and used by all pro clerics endgame :laugh
  • Reichle - Sanctuary
    Reichle - Sanctuary Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Neftis_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Arcane build is a n00b build, useless. Best option for new cleric would be pure str, best in low lvls and used by all pro clerics endgame :laugh

    O_O are you a troll?

    Anyways... Arcane means the cleric wears arcane armor, which is best for magical defense and bad for physical defense. So you'll pwn magic/poison mobs and (if you're not careful) be pwned by physical mobs.

    For the arcane armor build, there is two types of ways to stat your character (to place points every odd level):
    Pure: 9 magic 1 strength (ignore vitality and dexterity)
    Hybrid: 7-8 magic, 1 strength, 1-2 vitality (ignore dexterity)

    The first (pure) build is best if you want more damage. If you use this build, it's best to make up for squishyness using physical defense/evasion/vitality gear.

    The second build would sacrifice some damage for more survivability. You would still need evasion/physical defense gear, but you wouldn't need to go crazy over it. You could combine this gear with magic attack gear, to make up for the damage you lose by placing those points in vitality.

    Clerics are unique out of the magic classes in that they can buff and heal themselves. So a lot of this also depends on your gameplay. If you want to be more of a healer in a squad, the pure build is generally the way to go, because some heal skills are proportional to your basic magic attack (which is subject to how many stat points you have in magic). If you want to deal damage, tank, or PvP, the hybrid is good, and the pure is only recommended if you have lots of money to spend on awesome armor down the road.
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  • Feito - Dreamweaver
    Feito - Dreamweaver Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Neftis_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Arcane build is a n00b build, useless. Best option for new cleric would be pure str, best in low lvls and used by all pro clerics endgame :laugh

    They be trollan...

    But seriously, Arcane Cleric is a quick way to die. Heavy Armor is the way to go. b:victory
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  • Zanathan - Lost City
    Zanathan - Lost City Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Personally and im not trying to be rude but LA and HA fail yes with LA u have more def and a lil more hp but seriously I would much rather take my enemy down faster than live longer there is armor and shards to deal with the lack of hp later on im pure arcane as in I went with 1 str 4 mag per lvl for my 90 gear commin up shortly, as of now I have almost 10k mp with all my elemetal defenses being over 10k and my hp right at 3500 unbuffed cant think of my mag attack right off hand but no matter, my point is why sacrifice magic attack for a bit more def and hp? thats what u have plume shell for I can usually end my battle way before the 20 seconds on my shell wears off + i got plenty of 5k mp pots to keep my shell on the full alotted time, and those other robe wearers dont really stand a chance any ways with my plume shot, Light armor shoot whatev just bump it up to a sleep weild thunder IH whirl and possibly if they are still alive plume shell Ih Ih weild again oooo scary, my pvp experiances are not limited to me not being able to ^tank^ im a freakin cleric why should I tank? full attack is the way to go in my book, even with the HA folk I can take out bms my lvl depending if they catch me in their stun lock or not still have a chance with that their attacks can miss =P but yeah only difficulties I have are with sins and barbs but whatev my point is this is how I did it and it works perfectly for me, but its all about play style, in the begining lvls of a novice cleric you will die alot with the arcane build but all that does is make you a stronger character and a faster thinker in the heat of battle. Weigh your options and proceed accordingly
  • Reichle - Sanctuary
    Reichle - Sanctuary Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Zanathan - Lost City wrote: »
    Personally and im not trying to be rude but LA and HA fail yes with LA u have more def and a lil more hp but seriously I would much rather take my enemy down faster than live longer there is armor and shards to deal with the lack of hp later on im pure arcane as in I went with 1 str 4 mag per lvl for my 90 gear commin up shortly, as of now I have almost 10k mp with all my elemetal defenses being over 10k and my hp right at 3500 unbuffed cant think of my mag attack right off hand but no matter, my point is why sacrifice magic attack for a bit more def and hp? thats what u have plume shell for I can usually end my battle way before the 20 seconds on my shell wears off + i got plenty of 5k mp pots to keep my shell on the full alotted time, and those other robe wearers dont really stand a chance any ways with my plume shot, Light armor shoot whatev just bump it up to a sleep weild thunder IH whirl and possibly if they are still alive plume shell Ih Ih weild again oooo scary, my pvp experiances are not limited to me not being able to ^tank^ im a freakin cleric why should I tank? full attack is the way to go in my book, even with the HA folk I can take out bms my lvl depending if they catch me in their stun lock or not still have a chance with that their attacks can miss =P but yeah only difficulties I have are with sins and barbs but whatev my point is this is how I did it and it works perfectly for me, but its all about play style, in the begining lvls of a novice cleric you will die alot with the arcane build but all that does is make you a stronger character and a faster thinker in the heat of battle. Weigh your options and proceed accordingly

    wow, was that one run-on sentence? but i +1
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  • EndlessDark - Harshlands
    EndlessDark - Harshlands Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    In my own experience unless your good wish some cash bonuses, your going to need some vitality points. Me, I'm endowed with cash ^^. Aside from this, I know NO cleric with light armor able to even touch me in pvp or duels. Aside from the...ever expanding hate of fighting barbs and assassins, they are killable. Barbs require a steady use of distance. Silent seal, ih 2, whirlwind, (if he's close) plume shield, ih 3, whirl, (when your shield dies) chromatic seal, ih 3, ( I hope your remembering to get away while fighting), whirlwind, shield, electric shot thing, ih and you know how it goes by this time. Assassins depend on if you know they are coming, if you don't...well...I hope your cheetah reflexes hit plume shield. Without that you really just need to isolate their movement with a freeze, and fire with rage. Lots and lots of multiple deaths at lvl 20-30 rage. Plume shield is still a given. Any magic class is simple. Fire and kill ^^. Still have not figured a way to kill nix venos...and help with that for an arcane cleric? ^^
  • Crystyl - Dreamweaver
    Crystyl - Dreamweaver Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Neftis_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Arcane build is a n00b build, useless. Best option for new cleric would be pure str, best in low lvls and used by all pro clerics endgame :laugh

    Oh no! all this time I thought since the skills clerics get that no one else gets were primarily heals and buffs that clerics were best in a support role. If you WANTED to PvP and wear heavy armor then you should probably have made a more intelligent choice to play a class more suited to those objectives rather than try to turn a cleric into a barb!
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  • Lemuria - Harshlands
    Lemuria - Harshlands Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Personally and im not trying to be rude but LA and HA fail yes with LA u have more def and a lil more hp but seriously I would much rather take my enemy down faster than live longer
    Nice thought, but factually incorrect. Since many arcane builds go with vitality, the difference in actual magic stats isn't that wide. Furthermore, your weapon provides the vast majority of all your magical attack power. As long as you're able to equip the latest weapons (and Light Armor builds can do this just fine) you'll be close to par with everyone else in terms of damage, moreso if you include the much higher critical hit rate.

    That being said, Light Armor clerics can't afford to waste points in vitality so need to get their entire HP quota by refining and sharding their armor. A very costly endeavour, but no less so than sharding a set of arcane equipment entirely for defense.
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  • Reichle - Sanctuary
    Reichle - Sanctuary Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Lemuria - Harshlands wrote: »
    Nice thought, but factually incorrect. Since many arcane builds go with vitality, the difference in actual magic stats isn't that wide. Furthermore, your weapon provides the vast majority of all your magical attack power. As long as you're able to equip the latest weapons (and Light Armor builds can do this just fine) you'll be close to par with everyone else in terms of damage, moreso if you include the much higher critical hit rate.

    That being said, Light Armor clerics can't afford to waste points in vitality so need to get their entire HP quota by refining and sharding their armor. A very costly endeavour, but no less so than sharding a set of arcane equipment entirely for defense.

    Yes, the difference is wide. With vit builds, u lose up to 60 or 70 points of mag depending on when u cap your vit, and at least with that, it's going somewhere (600 or 700 extra hp). With LA you lose like 130 points from mag that are in things that a mag character doesnt need (strength and dexterity). And LA attack is not all that close to a pure arcane attack, even with the 5% critical rate, which is not all that much higher than the 1% w/o LA. I mean, what is that, 1300 basic attack hit points just down the drain? That is not something close to an arcane's attack.

    As for sharding, it's always a costly endeavor. They're gems, duh...and a hybrid of HP and defense gems seems to be the best way to go for arcane.
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  • ManeK - Harshlands
    ManeK - Harshlands Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    LA sucks imo...
    Arcane ftw!
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  • ChainedDust - Heavens Tear
    ChainedDust - Heavens Tear Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Lemuria - Harshlands wrote: »
    Nice thought, but factually incorrect. Since many arcane builds go with vitality, the difference in actual magic stats isn't that wide. Furthermore, your weapon provides the vast majority of all your magical attack power. As long as you're able to equip the latest weapons (and Light Armor builds can do this just fine) you'll be close to par with everyone else in terms of damage, moreso if you include the much higher critical hit rate.

    That being said, Light Armor clerics can't afford to waste points in vitality so need to get their entire HP quota by refining and sharding their armor. A very costly endeavour, but no less so than sharding a set of arcane equipment entirely for defense.

    Woot!! Nice, but incorrect too yeah!!
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    You can basically describe Arcane Clerics as bath robes... you can see right through them, and they only get more wet when things get hard. b:chuckle
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  • Mendolin - Sanctuary
    Mendolin - Sanctuary Posts: 1,092 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You can basically describe Arcane Clerics as bath robes... you can see right through them, and they only get more wet when things get hard. b:chuckle

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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    b:dirty I experienced this last night thanks to Dan

    I'll be giving you more experience than your body has room for baby. b:dirty
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  • Mendolin - Sanctuary
    Mendolin - Sanctuary Posts: 1,092 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'll be giving you more experience than your body has room for baby. b:dirty

    b:chuckle tonight lets AOE grind in VOS and make it harder and wetter than we ever thought possible- even if it takes all night.
    show me what an arcane cleric is all about <3
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    b:chuckle tonight lets AOE grind in VOS and make it harder and wetter than we ever thought possible- even if it takes all night.
    show me what an arcane cleric is all about <3

    Let's spend the night alone in my Man Cave. I'll show you my AOEs, if you show me yours. With my hard BM and your wet Cleric, we can make our EXP rise through the roof. b:cute
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  • Mendolin - Sanctuary
    Mendolin - Sanctuary Posts: 1,092 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Let's spend the night alone in my Man Cave. I'll show you my AOEs, if you show me yours. With my hard BM and your wet Cleric, we can make our EXP rise through the roof. b:cute

    b:dirty ill show you my Siren's Kiss if you show me your Myriad Sword Stance
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    b:dirty ill show you my Siren's Kiss if you show me your Myriad Sword Stance

    I'll show you my Myriad Sword Stance, but I would need your help getting it off, and getting into the right position for the stance, what position would that fit in with respect to your Siren's Kiss baby? b:dirty
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  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I suggest getting a room.
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  • Mendolin - Sanctuary
    Mendolin - Sanctuary Posts: 1,092 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I suggest getting a room.

    Doing it in public with the chance of getting caught is much more exhilarating b:sin
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  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Doing it in public with the chance of getting caught is much more exhilarating b:sin

    A room with a big window.....
    Retired

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  • Mendolin - Sanctuary
    Mendolin - Sanctuary Posts: 1,092 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    A room with a big window.....

    alright alright- we stopped b:bye
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  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    alright alright- we stopped b:bye

    *Gets popcorn and camcorder..starts looking for rooms with big windows.... b:chuckle
    Retired

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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    *Gets popcorn and camcorder..starts looking for rooms with big windows.... b:chuckle

    Or back door? o_o
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  • Mendolin - Sanctuary
    Mendolin - Sanctuary Posts: 1,092 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    *Gets popcorn and camcorder..starts looking for rooms with big windows.... b:chuckle

    rawr ;) want to join?
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Or back door? o_o

    b:sin bad boy....
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  • Nexdonum - Lost City
    Nexdonum - Lost City Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm an Arcane + Vit build Cleric, and I've got 7% crit rate. FEAR MEH!! >:D




    I'm poor, so Arcane was/is the best route (IMO) since I can't afford the insane (to me) amounts of gold/coins/money to refine AND shard my gear.

    And I do fairly well, or so I am told.


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  • xxxdsmer
    xxxdsmer Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    dont go LA for cleric lol. (unless you can afford to always have an MP charm b/c ur mp pool will be ****)

    what i'd reccomend is to scrounge the auction house, cats, friends, wherever u can find it...


    for arcane armor with 2-3 bonuses of "phys res +__" __ being a number, depending what lvl of arcane armor you're talking about / looking for. i know on 7x its phys res+69, then for 8x arcane armors there's a possibility of phys res +90 something bonus, or phys res+69


    but either way, if you find torso, legs, boots, wrists all with two or three phys res bonuses, with lv10 vanguard spirit, you'd have a good phys res and could gem citrines, and mby have some vitality if you'd like. and this is minimum strength, no dexterity, max mag or high mag with a little vit build, not LA. i was LA on my veno and went HA/AA b/c LA's defense values just dont match up to a good HA/AA or even properly built AA character


    so yea, jus get those phys res+ bonused arcane armos, and always always always wear physical defense type belt and neck (there's no need to wear mdef belt and neck as you'll get alot of mag resist from the arcane armors themselves, granted you get nothing but 5 element armors [no elements missing from the base stats of the armors themselves, which is possible] )
    i'm pro all classes, and against none in particular..
    but the age old QQ about venos is just that. OLD.
    QQ'd about a nix lately? check out this thread n tell me who's "OP" lol..
    (copy and paste this to address bar):
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=102172
  • Lemuria - Harshlands
    Lemuria - Harshlands Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    LA's defense values just dont match up to a good HA/AA or even properly built AA character
    Errm... how do you figure that? The basic defence of arcane armor is incredibly poor. So much so you need heavy sharding to match light armors basic defence alone. You can also further shard LA to boost that defense.

    As an example, the highest level (legend) AA gives 233 p.def while LA gives 673. That means you need 440 pdef through shards alone to match the light armor version. There are arcane armors which have additional pdef bonuses, but equally there are many light armor variants with the same.

    As an example, the afforementioned AA gear FULLY sharded with the highest level garnets gives 913 defense. The Light Armor, with only two garnets gives 1013 defense.

    Ultimately you still end up with more p.def on light armor builds, assuming you know how to apply your shards. The main reason to choose AA over LA is due to the bonuses associated with arcane gear. Few could argue that more attack power or magic is a bad thing, and in high levels many arcane armors come with set bonuses for owning multiple pieces of it. It's almost impossible to find light armor with chanelling on it, but its found in abundance on many arcane pieces; reason alone to advocate its use.

    Both sets have their ups and downs, its knowing which suits your playstyle better.
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