Reward clerics for res

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · April 2010

So, we are in a dungeon, clerics dies, most of the squad dies so the cleric goes to town and then comes back to res everyone...

Isn't that a bit unfair? Personally I felt a bit guilty although it was aoe (and i died first).

My suggestion is that the cleric should loose xp according to his res lvl
or perhaps get a free, automatic, res (according to his res lvl) for every person he revives?

I realise that it's a major change and not likely to happen, but do you think it would be fair?

Night_Wind_ - Lost City · April 2010

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My suggestion is that the cleric should loose xp according to his res lvl
or perhaps get a free, automatic, res (according to his res lvl) for every person he revives?

I second thatb:victory

Aedrian - Lost City · April 2010

Been suggested before, I already said yes.

Hazumu - Dreamweaver · April 2010

Same as Aedrian.

Still want something like this to be done...

Aedrian - Lost City · April 2010

Btw, self res at same lvl as the cleric's res > A bit OP

They should get it 2 levels under theirs, so, a lvl 11 res on a cleric does not mean that clerics get no xp loss at all when they die, and that from the regular ammount to 0.2%, that's a gigantic advance.

Just saying.

Vorhs - Lost City · April 2010

I already suggested a buff skill for wizard to let cleric auto-ress here:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=689882

(watch carefully cooldowns/durations and how it really works before yelling "OOOPPPP!!!")

btw i dont support a new cleric skill for only cleric auto-ress, cause it would be too overpowered when they are alone (everyone would like to autoress, its just too great lol)

and about being fair, then i could say that its not fair that tanks have to spend 10x coins in repairing compared to DDs.

every class has its good points and bad points

Zanryu - Dreamweaver · April 2010

If Clerics get an auto Revive it should have a 10 minute cooldown and be equal to their Revive level. If they die by mistake, use the auto res and go on about your business without spending forever looking for another Cleric to res you.

A Cleric with auto res is in no way OP. It'd be just like a res scroll, except their Revive level would determine the amount of xp lost. At least this way squad wipes wouldn't result in the Cleric rage quitting and you could go on about your business.

It could be a new addition to our 79 skills, a skill like that should cost quite a bit to learn.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver · April 2010

Maybe a passive skil to reduce the exp lost upon revive, not stacking with another cleric's revive?
Not as effective as a cleric's ress, but it would help clerics get through those squad wipes

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · April 2010

No. It is a cleric skill that a cleric chooses to learn. If you play the support cleric role, than you are expected to have that skill to help your party, in the same way you expect the barb to use fleshream when tanking.

If you are a nuking cleric, and don't have rez leveled, than you dont.

If you do not want to loose experiece, pack some angels. Want to rez on the spot? Buy some rez scrolls. Not that hard, and you will not loose any experience when you get killed.

Aedrian - Lost City · April 2010

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If Clerics get an auto Revive it should have a 10 minute cooldown and be equal to their Revive level. If they die by mistake, use the auto res and go on about your business without spending forever looking for another Cleric to res you.

A Cleric with auto res is in no way OP. It'd be just like a res scroll, except their Revive level would determine the amount of xp lost. At least this way squad wipes wouldn't result in the Cleric rage quitting and you could go on about your business.

It could be a new addition to our 79 skills, a skill like that should cost quite a bit to learn.

So, Would that be like a doll + res scroll? (Without the no item drop, that is) Items that are bought from Cash Shop, will NEVER be placed in game, since that is how they make money.

Trust me, I know plenty of clerics that always travel around with at least 1 doll (Sorry, can't recall the current name of that item) just to avoid the exp loss, and giving clerics a self res with no exp loss would end up meaning less people buying them.

On top of that, res scrolls are one of the in-game coin sinks, and they just won't give them up.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver · April 2010

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No. It is a cleric skill that a cleric chooses to learn. If you play the support cleric role, than you are expected to have that skill to help your party, in the same way you expect the barb to use fleshream when tanking.

If you are a nuking cleric, and don't have rez leveled, than you dont.

If you do not want to loose experiece, pack some angels. Want to rez on the spot? Buy some rez scrolls. Not that hard, and you will not loose any experience when you get killed.

Agreed. . .

ShadowMiss - Raging Tide · May 2010

I think at level 36 there should be a self ressurect skill.

Alliecienti - Dreamweaver · May 2010

I like the idea of the self rez skill tied to the cleric's own rez level. Everyone has seen these party wipe senarios many times. Everyone just lays there and the cleric is expected to port out and come back and save everyone else the exp loss from porting. Not a really fair deal, but that's the way it happens.
I put guardian scrolls on all my toons to prevent exp loss from accidental deaths. It cost me a lot of coin to have this bit of insurance, but well worth it at higher levels when even a 2% exp loss takes a lot to rebuild.
Having a self rez skill on my cleric would save coin and a inventory spot from having to carry rez scrolls for on the spot revives. Since this would be a cleric only skill, there is still a market for the rez scrolls to the nuker clerics and the other classes. PWI would still be seeing money from these purchases and the support clerics gets a little relief for being the helping hand all the time.

Yulk - Heavens Tear · May 2010

If clerics get auto revive, then you might want the no exp penalty later?

Ok, I do find it nice for clerics to have auto revive, but since there is scrolls and dolls, clerics might get a free way.

The devs won't want that

I barely die on my cleric, so why would I need auto res?

Crypsis - Lost City · May 2010

Its very unfair that a cleric has to waste 100k for a doll every time party screws up ;/

Or not use doll and go back to town and loose massive exp.

In a cool more friendly party i will usually try to get a second cleric to come inside the instance and ress everyone so the cleric dont have to loose exp. But thats kinda hard to do in random squads when people are stressed and such or in Frost and training scrolls are running.

Just know i almost lost more exp than i gained last Frost on my cleric since i had to go back to ress everyone about 7 times. I guess i could have spent a fortune on dolls or just left the party as soon as i realized both the DDs and the tank where having major DC-issues that kept occurring during bosses.

I really like the idea of loosing less exp when you upgrade revive level. Or party can just help pay some of the cleric dolls

Zanryu - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Aedrian - Lost City wrote: »

So, Would that be like a doll + res scroll? (Without the no item drop, that is) Items that are bought from Cash Shop, will NEVER be placed in game, since that is how they make money.

Trust me, I know plenty of clerics that always travel around with at least 1 doll (Sorry, can't recall the current name of that item) just to avoid the exp loss, and giving clerics a self res with no exp loss would end up meaning less people buying them.

On top of that, res scrolls are one of the in-game coin sinks, and they just won't give them up.

Clerics shouldn't have to use Guardian Scrolls, nobody else has to because there's a Cleric to revive them. When the squad dies and the Cleric for whatever reason was too poor to afford a scroll we'd lose xp. We lose more xp in one death than any other member does in 10 and if we have Demon/Sage res you don't lose anything.

The point of a Cleric's res is to get the squad back up with minimal xp loss. Being able to res yourself in the heat of battle or after a squad wipe could be very beneficial to your squad. You would save time because the Cleric isn't towning and coming back. This would help us perform our job better and make the run go faster.

The amount of xp lost with this skill wouldn't automatically be zero, Clerics would lose xp equal to their current res level, meaning unless they shelled out 20m or more for the Demon/Sage version of Revive they'd still lose some xp. Knowing this, the Clerics that really wanna keep xp would still carry scrolls.

Then you have the 10 minute cooldown. That prevents it from being OP or anywhere close to it.

AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear · May 2010

yay finnaly somebody understands the plight of clerics who die b:victory i agree clerics already get a low exp loss from going to town, my sin loses 4% i lose 1%. but i'd love it if i could auto rez, and i agree it should be not a long cooldown, but something reasonable. or if i could go to town and lose .2% becuase of rez lvl. but if this EVER comes into effect. it should be the lvl of your rez, but i think if some1 has demon/sage it should only work as lvl 10 rez. i'd find it unfair if i lose .2% becuase i'll most likely never get sage rez, while some1 loses no exp. but if that method doesnt get implemented i'd never care really, just be something nice

Zanryu - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Actually it would be fair Angel, because they paid a huge amount of coins to be able to get that skill. The self res skill would actually make the skill worth the money, because then the 0% xp less benefits you as well as the party.

AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear · May 2010

Aedrian - Lost City wrote: »

So, Would that be like a doll + res scroll? (Without the no item drop, that is) Items that are bought from Cash Shop, will NEVER be placed in game, since that is how they make money.

Trust me, I know plenty of clerics that always travel around with at least 1 doll (Sorry, can't recall the current name of that item) just to avoid the exp loss, and giving clerics a self res with no exp loss would end up meaning less people buying them.

On top of that, res scrolls are one of the in-game coin sinks, and they just won't give them up.

sorry for double posting, but ive carried gaurdian dolls once. and that was because a friend gave me 3 of them. i think its too expensive for what i do to afford scrolls that r on HT at least 100k. i spend 100k about every other month on herb yuanxiao, if im lucky that 100k buys 80+ yuanxiao. then rest of profit goes to bh/teleing. cs at later lvls etc. so why would i waist 50k and 100k on scrolls and rez scrolls?

Crystyl - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Instead of hoping the game will change why not just , occasionally give the cleric you party with an angel or a res scroll? All the stuff mentioned here relates to the squad you're in more than game mechanics.

Reward clerics for res

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