MP Pots useful for Venomancer?

umm, i personally don't buy pots at all. only use the ones i find as drops from monsters. and for the Focus Powder (apot pill that heals 50 mp/s) is pretty useless imo***** if you need mp just use hp pots (which costs cheaper than mp pots) and do soul transfusion

if your poor you might want it for tw's and pvp o.o

You may want them for BH 100 abaddon, though I tend to use Consume Spirit and stow pet. There are times when I'm spam healing and can't replenish MP any other way, and then there are times when I go through it so fast and can't risk an ST or spark. I see an option on Genie called Dampen Magic Curse for a chance to gain MP.

Aliella - Harshlands wrote: »

if your poor you might want it for tw's and pvp o.o

Guilty.

But yea, the MP regen buff pots aren't really my cup of tea. MP pots are more useful in those dire situations, and when you're not in one, ST and letting the cleric heal you is good enough for you to go by without using any pots.

Well, I made 10 of the 'increase mp regen by 100' back when I was getting my apothecary skill up. So level 70 or so?

I've used THREE since then.

No, not often very useful.

A LOT more useful if you start firing off myriad rainbow a lot, mind you. Though normal MP pots are probably sufficient even then.

tweakz wrote: »

I see an option on Genie called Dampen Magic Curse for a chance to gain MP.

That used to be cheaper than MP pots. You were better off selling your MP pots to an NPC, using the money to buy genie stamina, and using the skill to replenish some mana. But they nerfed it greatly when genies were revamped and it's not worth it anymore.

At 75+, herb yuanxiao is much more cost-effective than pots. And no, MP pots are not "free" because you get them as drops. If you use them to replenish mana, they're costing you the money you would have gotten selling them to an NPC. So sell them, buy some tokens, and make herb yuanxiao. Here's how much dropped pots cost you:

L90: 1280 coin = 0.545 coin per MP
L80: 975 coin = 0.500 coin per MP
L70: 735 coin = 0.454 coin per MP
L60: 535 coin = 0.428 coin per MP
L50: 390 coin = 0.398 coin per MP
L40: 270 coin = 0.370 coin per MP
L30: 180 coin = 0.353 coin per MP
L20: 110 coin = 0.333 coin per MP

And herb yuanxiao:
20k token price: 1200 coin = 0.24 coin per MP
15k token price: 900 coin = 0.18 coin per MP
12k token price: 720 coin = 0.144 coin per MP
10k token price = 600 coin = 0.12 coin per MP

That makes yuanxiao the best choice for other casters. Venos have another option though:

sleepcat wrote: »

But yea, the MP regen buff pots aren't really my cup of tea. MP pots are more useful in those dire situations, and when you're not in one, ST and letting the cleric heal you is good enough for you to go by without using any pots.

I've got +19 hp regen and low hp on my spam healing gear (got a nice helmet off AH with +5 mag and two +7 hp regen - one of the perks of being a heavy veno). I just ST when I get low on mana and my hp will have mostly regenerated by the time I need to ST again. I can get through ~4 mil hp bosses using Tree just 2 or 3 times.

Hmm, I wonder... My spam healing config has 5832 MP. Tree restores 45.2% of my hp, which after a ST translates into 2636 MP. Tree costs 700 stamina, and you can buy/sell perfect stones (720 stamina) for ~800 coin each, so Tree ends up costing me 0.295 coin per MP. Herb yuanxiao is significantly cheaper than even ST + Tree.

MP food from tokens (50 for 3 tokens) is for level 75+. There's another MP food for lower levels from Jolly Old Jones, but it's been so long since he's had an event there probably isn't much around (and none on Raging Tide or Archosaur.)

So far, the only time I've used MP regen pots on my 7x veno is to give them to lvl 60-74 clerics during TT runs.

You only lose alot (means: more than you'll regen by skills in the time they need to cool down) of MP, when you

- spam heals
- spam nukes

If you're losing too much while grinding, slow down on the nukes. Level up the pet's skills also helps a great deal. My DW has Bash 5 and Howl 5, and Howl alone saves a nuke each time it's up (cd 30 sec), which also means, faster kills and less MP used.

Can't do much against the spam heal situation though. If there's a Cleric, I just use Soul Transfusion while healing, at like 70% mana (to prevent my TB quest charm from ticking). You don't have to interrupt healing for this, your normal latency will suffice. Just keep on clicking Solo, herb yuanxiao will be your best bet for battles like Bloodstare. Shorter fights don't matter at all.

There is a hidden cost of the apoth products: Inventory space and quickbar space, and shopping time. When I npc pots, I keep 30 for emergency.

the only time I use manapots, is while fighting a boss with a lot of hp and an AOE (like in TT or with WB). Or when I have to spam heal and don't have time to nature's grace etc.
further.. never... it's not really needed..

Well, crafting them yourself you're losing the opportunity of selling the herbs. So it's money you could have.

An interesting point though is normal pots - since you can't sell those at full price, and most people just NPC them. (And NPCs drop more than I can use) - which changes their cost quite a lot.

Admittedly, I still might be doing the wrong thing by using them and not selling them and buying herbs - but I keep treating herbs as a limited and precious reserve, to only be used on the occasional boss run.

Natures Grace usually can replace MP pots, however, in the case of me at 70, killing that 75 elite solo that has 2.8M HP, part of a quest, Ravaging Wraith Commander, or something. He hits very hard, and Natures Grace has a channel time that takes up time from healing your pet. Which when dealing with hard hitting mobs, you dont want to risk losing any time from keeping your pet at full HP when ever possible. If you are doing it solo, if your pet dies, you die. So hold onto those MP potions that you get from drops.

Mob I was talking about does up to 800 damage a hit to my Herc, some hits are lower than that, but I spam healed, and used pots I had to keep mana up for the very long fight, I used at least 10. Natures Grace also has a cool down, so if you are really burning mana fast, you cant always rely on it.

Normally though, you dont need to use MP pots, or those powders. Venos have virtually no downtime at all. Though powders that restore HP and MP at the same time, that +50 MP and HP per sec are nice, reduced to 12 per sec in combat. And those fast acting consumables also made with apoc, then with pots you get from drops. They are useful if you are soloing something like TT and something goes horribly wrong.

Better to be prepared for sh*t that might not happen if you are carefull, rather than not be prepared if it does happen and you die.

Normal pots if you are not in critical need, the fast acting stuff, for those oh **** moments. And in very long, hard, difficult stuff, powders, I have powders, but have not needed to use them yet. Though the effect is reduced while in combat, it still adds regeneration that lasts for 10 minutes.

Added:
Mana Leech, some bosses leech your mana like Slitt. MP pots can counter the effects of those annoying mobs with that ability.

Too bad there is not a potion called "Hot Sauce" that grants the person immunity to sleep effects that the Emprean Slither likes to cast on Herc Venos trying to do that solo. QQ

They probably aren't money effective, but I do find 100 MP/sec apoc items useful in two cases:
1. Long (~10min) spam healing pet on a boss - I am lazy. I better use a Concentration Orb and leave something heavy on healing button. Then I dont really have to worry about keeping my mp up and I can at least read a book or get a drink.
2. For emergencies - Similar as before. If you suddently need to leave for a bit cause of RL matter, then those orbs are useful too. They last 10min and can keep your mp bar full enough. Though basing on your channeling, mp amount and level of Heal, mp bar can get empty once or twice in those 10min.

But other than that... I don't find them useful, not for everyday use on mobs or so... just on bosses taking lot of time, or emergencies...