Stealth/3 spark nerf

Hhlolz - Harshlands
Hhlolz - Harshlands Posts: 574 Arc User
edited May 2010 in Suggestion Box
Lately I dont really enjoy pvp anymore, i know stealth is pretty OP, just like hell spark+full interval gear... but seriously it should be so that hell spark cancels stealth >.>

I see the hardest ppl of server get rolled in a few sec, not having any chance at all, and today while i was fully buffed in fox form(12k pdef, 8k hp) one sin popped up and i didnt even make it to click expel O.o

Well yeah... i dont call things OP alot but 3spark/stealth is just broken...most of the times i die before my charm even ticks -.-

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  • CandyCorn - Raging Tide
    CandyCorn - Raging Tide Posts: 1,547 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    seeing as it looks like I'm the only one who is going to post I'll say this on behalf of everyone.......there are other post like this use "search" and post there.....get that potion thing that increases your stealth detection.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    CandyCorn - Raging Tide wrote: »
    seeing as it looks like I'm the only one who is going to post I'll say this on behalf of everyone.......there are other post like this use "search" and post there.....get that potion thing that increases your stealth detection.

    stealth detection pots fail for all classes except assassins.
    only an assassin with the pot & the stealth detection passives can see invisible assassins.
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    & they be low in availability since only the faction which owns raging tide can manufacture them.
    also using it means that you can't use any other apot pot.
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  • CandyCorn - Raging Tide
    CandyCorn - Raging Tide Posts: 1,547 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    my point is there not going to change it

    Example: veno with nix bleeding skill
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  • Aedrian - Lost City
    Aedrian - Lost City Posts: 750 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    ... And then they wonder why the word is that Lost City server is on the verge of death.

    If this continues, pvp will be ruled by fish ppl ganking and dissapearing.
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  • Krisnda - Lost City
    Krisnda - Lost City Posts: 1,465 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Aedrian - Lost City wrote: »
    ... And then they wonder why the word is that Lost City server is on the verge of death.

    If this continues, pvp will be ruled by fish ppl ganking and dissapearing.
    Meh, ill still be there lol.
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  • SilverCleric - Lost City
    SilverCleric - Lost City Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Aedrian - Lost City wrote: »
    ... And then they wonder why the word is that Lost City server is on the verge of death.

    If this continues, pvp will be ruled by fish ppl ganking and dissapearing.

    That and if that happens there will be even less cleric's on this server since anyone who plays as a cleric might say "OOoo... the fish people are OP in pking I'll just re-role and over kill everyone to (Same go's for phy's).

    Then people will be QQing about the lack of cleric's on the server and it will take twice as long to find a squad for anything. This is already starting now and its just going to get worst when the Sage/Demon skills come out for the TideBorn. b:surrender
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  • Hhlolz - Harshlands
    Hhlolz - Harshlands Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Meh didnt even think about sage/demon skills, dont even wanna see them either 3 spark headhunt and auto attack is OP enough!

    And why is bleed mentioned? ur not even high enough lvl to say anything about bleed being OP, at 1-90 i agree, but after 90 and especially 100 bleed isnt that OP...
    Bleed doesnt kill a charmed barb with 15k hp in 3 sec, a sin with 4 attack speed does.
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Like it takes skill to PVP b:chuckle

    Always got to be a class to QQ about. You got crush vigor (or do you?) use it. As far as stealth goes, kite around. Till his stealth run out.
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  • WerewovenRAM - Lost City
    WerewovenRAM - Lost City Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    sure you go ahead and kite around and use vigor when you don't even know where the sins at >.>

    ur arguement isnt valid when we speak of this ninja bishez popping outta nowhere, 2 - 4 shotting u and disappearing again >.>

    maybe if they weren't invisible to start with or I knew they were there then I could be doin that...but we're not all oracles like ya mister b:surrender
  • Hhlolz - Harshlands
    Hhlolz - Harshlands Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Like it takes skill to PVP b:chuckle

    Always got to be a class to QQ about. You got crush vigor (or do you?) use it. As far as stealth goes, kite around. Till his stealth run out.

    umm lolwut? kite till his stealth runs out? crush vigor? god u are dumb.
    you might not know but u cant do shet and by the time u are out of stun/silence u are already dead, i could be the only person having this but i even saw Harshlands greatest barbs die in a few sec (charmed).


    OK GM LISTEN UP PLEASE
    ITS GETTING VERY ANNOYING BECAUSE LIEK TODAY I KILLED SOME HEAVY CASH SHOPPERS WITH +10 WEAPS ETC...AND GUESS WHAT? I KEPT GETTING ****** OWNED BY NOOB SINS ... THEY EVEN GOT SOMETHING AGAINST EXPEL NOW.............ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
    HOW CAN A CRAPPY SIN WITH LIKE 10M IN HIS GEAR BE WAY HARDER THAN A MAGE WITH OVER 9000 USD ON HIS GEAR? COME ON WTF.

    PLEASE FIX IT NOW KTHXBB

    YES IM RAGINGb:angry

    example of 5 minutes ago:
    100 EA with HH100+10
    9x EP
    100 WB with HH100+?

    ok right i take them out 1by1, then guess what happens? genie on cooldown, charm on cooldown..guess who coems to be ****? a cool sin who is cool enough to use 3 spark on me =D

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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I dueled a sin with an LA veno around my LVL, although it was kinda a draw (thanks to his OP gear lol) I litterally made an assassin QQ about him not being able to win. ( I was bothered to duel <.<).

    Though he didn't use stealth on me, but it was pretty easy to fool him into running into my glacial walker. I can duel more sins and screen shot what I am doing.
    If I ever dual a sin around my veno's LVL again, I will show you with screenies.

    And can't you use 3 spark either? Unless you don't have it at 89+ LOL

    This thread made me lol so hard, you have an OP pet and losing in 1vs1 ROFL

    You got stun too, your pet does, summer sprint, and ofc slow for pet... Thread fail b:bye
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  • Hhlolz - Harshlands
    Hhlolz - Harshlands Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I dueled a sin with an LA veno around my LVL, although it was kinda a draw (thanks to his OP gear lol) I litterally made an assassin QQ about him not being able to win. ( I was bothered to duel <.<).

    Though he didn't use stealth on me, but it was pretty easy to fool him into running into my glacial walker. I can duel more sins and screen shot what I am doing.
    If I ever dual a sin around my veno's LVL again, I will show you with screenies.

    And can't you use 3 spark either? Unless you don't have it at 89+ LOL

    This thread made me lol so hard, you have an OP pet and losing in 1vs1 ROFL

    You got stun too, your pet does, summer sprint, and ofc slow for pet... Thread fail b:bye

    I felt like stop reading after i read 'I dueled a sin', im not kinda talking about dueling.
    You also never felt the pain of 2,50+ attack speed sin with his 3 spark on.
    And after ''And you cant 3 spark'' it proved me that u have no idea about sins at all, you wont even have a chance to do anything but use ur genie (even that requires good reflexes).

    Assassins are broken no need to deny.b:bye

    PS: pet doesnt do **** either when ur stunned by a sin =]
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Yulk you have a terrible habit of trying to "educate" people who have a lot greater knowledge of the game than yourself.

    If you think the counter to stealth is waiting for it to run out you have no business posting in this thread or the nonsense you say in the archer forums.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yulk you have a terrible habit of trying to "educate" people who have a lot greater knowledge of the game than yourself.

    If you think the counter to stealth is waiting for it to run out you have no business posting in this thread or the nonsense you say in the archer forums.

    me am working on fixing that.
    give us roughly another 10 - 1,000 years or so.
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Hhlolz - Harshlands wrote: »
    I felt like stop reading after i read 'I dueled a sin', im not kinda talking about dueling.
    You also never felt the pain of 2,50+ attack speed sin with his 3 spark on.
    And after ''And you cant 3 spark'' it proved me that u have no idea about sins at all, you wont even have a chance to do anything but use ur genie (even that requires good reflexes).

    Assassins are broken no need to deny.b:bye

    PS: pet doesnt do **** either when ur stunned by a sin =]

    Not my fault you got whooped from an assassin and I didn't, I can fool melees really easy as a veno b:bye
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  • Juggalobeast - Harshlands
    Juggalobeast - Harshlands Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    ok sins invisble skill shoudl be unable to use if they spark its kinda unfar to al other class's they demon spark n hid en teleport stun n cant even hit i request it to be nurfed
    or allow a invisble pots for lv 5 or 6 apoth for every body to be able to use
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  • Riney - Raging Tide
    Riney - Raging Tide Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    They need to just remove stealth level, or give us the ability to increase it ourselves, though I could understand at a larger cost due to not being fish.

    Anything that sin does in stealth mode, even changing gear, should make him lose his guise.
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  • Axels - Harshlands
    Axels - Harshlands Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Yulk omg thats cause you stand in sz ''Hey guys lets duel!'' and a good sin isnt gonna let his stealth ''run out'' and in pvp they could be charmed which mean stheyre not coming out unless they want to... so stop talking about Duels and try to act all good with no pvp exp and go kill me some mobs b:angry
  • Hhlolz - Harshlands
    Hhlolz - Harshlands Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Well even if they are not charmed, cant do a thing, cuz most ppl are dead b4 they get a chance to stun/silence them.

    I was in squadf with 25k hp barb (charmed) then i saw some1 attacking him and when i tried to help he already died.

    ****ing fix it now it is getting more r3tarded every day, survived sin and holy path away while a noob psychic killed my pet, decided to 3 spark to eat the sin then all of a sudden he stuns me from 100 miles away.. seriously they kinda dont need more stuns, pvp is annoying me so much lately..

    GM seriously you already ruined PVE, PVP has been partly ruined but please dont ruin it 100% by leaving itlike this, everyone will reroll to sin in the future if it stays like this...and not to forget they get sage-demon skills too -.-
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Axels - Harshlands wrote: »
    Yulk omg thats cause you stand in sz ''Hey guys lets duel!'' and a good sin isnt gonna let his stealth ''run out'' and in pvp they could be charmed which mean stheyre not coming out unless they want to... so stop talking about Duels and try to act all good with no pvp exp and go kill me some mobs b:angry

    Lol, and I don't even like dueling much either, dw I am killing mobs b:chuckle

    No PVP exp... I loled... go play Tekken then, I play that with my friends, that takes more skill lol b:bye
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  • Qlngfu - Archosaur
    Qlngfu - Archosaur Posts: 399 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Lol, and I don't even like dueling much either, dw I am killing mobs b:chuckle

    No PVP exp... I loled... go play Tekken then, I play that with my friends, that takes more skill lol b:bye

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  • skyxiii
    skyxiii Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    There are genie skills that counter almost every status ailment out there.
    Sins' stuns are not better than a blademaster's: Sin has 2 stuns, one lasting 5s the other 3s. Bms have 3 stuns at 6s/6s/3s, one of which is an aoe that has more range than both the sins aoes.

    Yeah, being able to initiate an attack out of stealth triple sparked is overpowered, so sure, take it away. But after that's done, will you complain about how sins can sleep you out of stealth and triple spark?

    Either way, outside of elemental damage, heavy armor using melee classes shouldn't be dropping to sins in 2 hits. If they are, then they are clearly doing something wrong. Without elemental damage, matchups versus even undergeared bms and barbs my level are extremely difficult.
  • Asmodiel - Heavens Tear
    Asmodiel - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,442 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    thing with the status ailments stuff is, a bm you can SEE attacking....a sin just waits in stealth, then stuns and before you even realize it, you press 'Release Corpse' .

    @ppl complaining about Yulk: be glad you don't have him on your server <.<

    @Yulk: Duels fail, your veno won't survive 3 seconds against anyone in PK, you know....the white name OUTSIDE safezone stuff.
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    skyxiii wrote: »
    There are genie skills that counter almost every status ailment out there.
    Sins' stuns are not better than a blademaster's: Sin has 2 stuns, one lasting 5s the other 3s. Bms have 3 stuns at 6s/6s/3s, one of which is an aoe that has more range than both the sins aoes.

    Yeah, being able to initiate an attack out of stealth triple sparked is overpowered, so sure, take it away. But after that's done, will you complain about how sins can sleep you out of stealth and triple spark?

    Either way, outside of elemental damage, heavy armor using melee classes shouldn't be dropping to sins in 2 hits. If they are, then they are clearly doing something wrong. Without elemental damage, matchups versus even undergeared bms and barbs my level are extremely difficult.

    thats truth :P

    Besides, apparently a white name outside a safe zone doesn't matter, enjoy charm waste :P
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  • PequetteV - Lost City
    PequetteV - Lost City Posts: 1,202 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    they are the new surprise 3 spark ;) they fixed it for barb hope they wil do the same with sin :s
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  • Hhlolz - Harshlands
    Hhlolz - Harshlands Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The annoying thing is that they just wait until im off-guard fighting some1 else, which normally if i would see a sin near id just kite a bit, kill the sin and continue on the other target, but this broken stealth makes that impossible.

    As i said im using expel either on myself or on the sin, but i encounter problems with that too.
    Sins them self now use a genie skill that makes them immune to seal, and if i use it myself they will go back in stealth and kill me while expel is on cd.

    Assassins are cowards, as soon as you are actually able to attack they hide back into stealth like there is no tomorrow...b:embarrass
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  • CandyCorn - Raging Tide
    CandyCorn - Raging Tide Posts: 1,547 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    BTW if you don't want fishy sins near you use your fish rep-lent :D (bramble) they turn away surely or your money back ^^
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  • Xter - Heavens Tear
    Xter - Heavens Tear Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Heres my Suggestion, Stay in Safe Zones All you can! Let the Fish Gankers Gank themselves and so on, and I think just maybe when the Sins starting complaining about not seeing anyone in Un-Safe Zones, only other sins, Just maybe a GM will say "Hey wait! If theres no1 in the un-safe PVP Zones, and Everyone is in Safe Zones, except for sins, I think we got an Overpowered class Here!"

    But to be truthiful, I Doubt they will do anything cause soon everyone will go Sin and want a high level sin. They'll start buying the Oracles, Hyper EXP Stones and etc to get there and PWI will be making tons of cash cause everyone will wanna be Fish Ganker Noobs.


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  • Jenna_Tolls - Heavens Tear
    Jenna_Tolls - Heavens Tear Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Try bramble guarding yourself ^^, if 70% is reflected then the sin, who should have lower hp then u should die before you do. Also If you can get out of stun lock then bramble hood. Bm's on my faction who demon spark normally kill themselves doing that o.Ob:laugh
  • skyxiii
    skyxiii Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Lol for the 801827139 +1th time, bramble reflect doesn't work in PK PvP.

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