Psychic skills progression problems

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear · May 2010

For Devs:
Below is a list of psychic skills that don't progress or progress in a poor way and how they should progress.

Soul of Vengeance
Blue numbers all constant 8% 0.4% 10 minutes
How they should progress:
Lv1 5% 0.1% 10 minutes
Lv2 6% 0.15% 12 minutes
Lv3 7% 0.2% 14 minutes
Lv4 8% 0.25% 16 minutes
Lv5 9% 0.3% 19 minutes
Lv6 10% 0.35% 21 minutes
Lv7 11% 0.35% 23 minutes
Lv8 12% 0.4% 25 minutes
Lv9 13.5% 0.45% 27 minutes
Lv10 15% 0.5% 30 minutes

Soul of Stunning
Blue numbers all constant 1 5000 1 30
How they should progress
Lv1 1 5000 1 30
Lv2 1.1 4800 1 35
Lv3 1.2 4600 1 40
Lv4 1.3 4400 1 45 Triggers 2x
Lv5 1.4 4200 1 50
Lv6 1.6 3900 1 55
Lv7 1.7 3700 1 60
Lv8 1.8 3500 1 65 Triggers 3x
Lv9 1.9 3300 1 70
Lv10 2 3000 1 75
Should not share cooldown with soul of retaliation Soul of retaliation should share the same duration/trigger quantity growth however.

Tide Spirit
Blue numbers 59%-100% 15 6
Should progress 100%-200% 15-25 6-10

White Voodoo
Blue numbers 36.3->66 54->99
Should progress 35->70 90->50

I got lazy on the last 2

Hypnos - Raging Tide · May 2010

where did you get these? arent those some random suggestion from noobs ? o.Oa

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear · May 2010

Where'd I get what's now?

I know on RT you probably don't have much equivalent level competition to compare yourself to Hypnos, so right now, you're probably seeing yourself as sufficiently OP

Whereas on HT I'm able to compare the Psy to equivalent leveled/geared characters. Yes my Soul of Stunning variation does seem a bit OP at second glance probably a 6k-4k shift on soulforce relativity, but hell, I'm sleep deprived today.

Considering Soul of Vengeance is affected by physical defense, at present the skill currently affects those nice little 5hits/sec fist bms (the attack style it should have the greatest affect against) about as much as a rabid horsefly. 20k soulforce reflects about 54 damage on a level 100 heavy geared fist bm.

White Voodoo I've been making this argument since day 5 of the class existing, and I stand by its validity.

Tide Spirit as it stand is effectively almost useless, with the adjustment it would be a viable alternative to double spark.

If you say I don't have enough knowledge of the other classes to make this discernment, there is not a single class in the game that I have not played in both a PvE and a PvP environment at a stage of 80+, on the very same server I'm playing my Psychic on. Simply stated, I've had too much time on my hands.

Hypnos - Raging Tide · May 2010

you're probably seeing yourself as sufficiently OP

O lawl, I can't stop laughing. I'm just an average psy with TT90 gears and w/o packs items. Hell my gear are not even +3 on any of em yet.

And suggestions goes into suggestion box, this is not where you circulate nonsense and idiotic ideas that mislead other players.

80+? you mean 90+? pre 90 is a joke, the game really start after 90 ever since hyper stone come out.

I challenge the validity of your suggestion, since I'm aware that you're a psy that doesn't even fully understand how soulburn work, I'm not surprise that you don't even know how to play your class right.

for example:

soulburning a cleric that pays attention is useless, they just switch to healing themselves through the 8 seconds as soul burn only triggers on damage dealing actions.

Soul of Stunning
Blue numbers all constant 1 5000 1 30
...
Lv10 2 3000 1 75

just...wow...and no I'm not talking about OP here in case you may have difficult in understanding, I mean 75s cooldown? and sorry I will ignore the x trigger you put in to not make you looks like a total moron with down symptom that's happened to play a lvl 100 psy.

You're a noob, your char is 100 make u a high level noobs, so don't act all mighty, you should be ashamed.

Rangergod - Raging Tide · May 2010

wow 0.0 your kinda cruly dude.

Hypnos - Raging Tide · May 2010

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MagicHamsta - Lost City · May 2010

Hypnos - Raging Tide wrote: »

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lordmiki · May 2010

when more psychic skills?

MagicHamsta - Lost City · May 2010

lordmiki wrote: »

when more psychic skills?

never
b:chuckle
but me suppose you mean sage/demon versions.
then the answer be later

Xemnas_ - Raging Tide · May 2010

Hypnos - Raging Tide wrote: »

O lawl, I can't stop laughing. I'm just an average psy with TT90 gears and w/o packs items. Hell my gear are not even +3 on any of em yet.

And suggestions goes into suggestion box, this is not where you circulate nonsense and idiotic ideas that mislead other players.

80+? you mean 90+? pre 90 is a joke, the game really start after 90 ever since hyper stone come out.

I challenge the validity of your suggestion, since I'm aware that you're a psy that doesn't even fully understand how soulburn work, I'm not surprise that you don't even know how to play your class right.

for example:

just...wow...and no I'm not talking about OP here in case you may have difficult in understanding, I mean 75s cooldown? and sorry I will ignore the x trigger you put in to not make you looks like a total moron with down symptom that's happened to play a lvl 100 psy.

You're a noob, your char is 100 make u a high level noobs, so don't act all mighty, you should be ashamed.

Roflols Hypnos is right.... not cruel... that high lvl is a newb u wanna see a real psy come on RT and meet LuciferV lvl 100 psy with well over 25k soulforceb:dirty

Amaliee - Archosaur · May 2010

I think the biggest problem with your post is that you don't divulge why you think these skills should progress in such a way. I get the idea that you think they are underpowered/should progress more just in general but I have no idea why, especially as a lot of class skills fall into the same pattern of 'not being worth it to level'. And furthermore, some of the increases you've made don't make sense. Not only would a number of them make the skill OP, but even simply things like the minute change on SoV? Why? Ten minute buffs are just common, they don't need to be extended and in a lot of ways it could hurt you to have it last too long.

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear · May 2010

Soulburn, yes, it does not trigger on heal skills or non-damage skills (haven't tested on debuffs, only self-buffs and genie), only on damage dealing skills, go test it, I've done so plenty times.

Soulburn honestly needs a nerf for balance in pvp.

Soul of stunning, yes underpowered.

the 75 seconds is duration, not cooldown, read your damn skill.

Soul of Vengeance yes, underpowered, and should have a minute ability at the very least to be targeted to multiple characters, hence why the increasing duration. At 20 minutes it's maintainable on 2, at 30 on 3. Reducing the recharge while maintaining the duration would have the same desired effect.
Tide Spirit, yes, underpowered.
Soul of stunning, poorly progressed/non progressed.
White Voodoo, poorly progressed, negatives of leveling outweigh positives.

You do realize they don't pay attention to the suggestion box.

GMs/mods pay attention to these sections most:
General Discussion
Server Synopsium
Class Discussion
Cash Shop

in that order, that is the most likely sequence you'll actually have a GM/mod read your post.
Devs don't read our forums from everything I've seen, so, the most likely way to get a message to Devs is through: tada, GMs.
Since the post is class relative, the most logical place to post it is, in class discussion.

Oannes - Harshlands · May 2010

After reading Aneurysmal's last post the only thing I did was facepalm. A lvl 100 psych saying that soulburn does not trigger on healing skills and non-damage skills is pretty lame. Seems to me you havn't fought too many clerics in your server.

Soulburn triggers on pretty much any skill, genie skills included. Doesn't matter whether the skill does damage or not.

MagicHamsta - Lost City · May 2010

Oannes - Harshlands wrote: »

After reading Aneurysmal's last post the only thing I did was facepalm. A lvl 100 psych saying that soulburn does not trigger on healing skills and non-damage skills is pretty lame. Seems to me you havn't fought too many clerics in your server.

Soulburn triggers on pretty much any skill, genie skills included. Doesn't matter whether the skill does damage or not.

*facepaw*
me agree with the Oannes....
Aneurysmal why so confoosed? soulburn does trigger on heal & non damage skills......

Hypnos - Raging Tide · May 2010

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Soulburn, yes, it does not trigger on heal skills or non-damage skills (haven't tested on debuffs, only self-buffs and genie), only on damage dealing skills, go test it, I've done so plenty times

This just went into my diary (`(00)')

the 75 seconds is duration, not cooldown, read your damn skill.

Are you braindead, or just simply stupid? do you even capable of thinking logically? Skill like Soul skill have cooldown = duration.

The reason for other soul skill to be so is to prevent it cast on more than 1, reason? because it is OP otherwise. Unable to be purge, if such skill casted on 80 peeps on TW, the game simply broke. Everyone aware of this, you don't. Why? maybe you just can't think that far before you faint due to your lack of IQ. Guys like you should stop talking because you'll only be wasting Earth's precious oxygen. If you want to survive, you should learn how to breath carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen b:surrender

Soul of Vengeance yes, underpowered, and should have a minute ability at the very least to be targeted to multiple characters, hence why the increasing duration. At 20 minutes it's maintainable on 2, at 30 on 3. Reducing the recharge while maintaining the duration would have the same desired effect.
Tide Spirit, yes, underpowered.
Soul of stunning, poorly progressed/non progressed.
White Voodoo, poorly progressed, negatives of leveling outweigh positives.

Do me a favor and roll another class, you bring shame upon other fellow <*)>><. I'm pretty sure because of you, Psychic receive bad reputation and people refuse to take em on Gamma/delta/fc when the patch just came out.

Or you should just press the uninstall button.

You do realize they don't pay attention to the suggestion box.

GMs/mods pay attention to these sections most:
General Discussion
Server Synopsium
Class Discussion
Cash Shop

in that order, that is the most likely sequence you'll actually have a GM/mod read your post.
Devs don't read our forums from everything I've seen, so, the most likely way to get a message to Devs is through: tada, GMs.
Since the post is class relative, the most logical place to post it is, in class discussion.

Did you even see any GM comment in this box? b:surrender quote me 1 that is not mod.
ye, my plan was to make the world witness your...um....nvm....I don want another case of this... b:surrender

still feelin lrite? AnSIZE="1"][COLOR="Gray"]eurism[/COLOR][/SIZEal b:cute

Hypnos - Raging Tide · May 2010

So I dig up your past thread and seem like I was right.
You was the Psy that encourage not lvling White Voodoo and Torrent and Sandtrap.
You was also the oracle noob that say diminished vigor can be purify.
You was also the oracle noob that say Soul of Stunning does absolutely nothing.
You was also the oracle noob that say lvling Soul of Retaliation affects nothing but cost.
And if I was righ, you oracled until 85 o.O

And no those skills didn't change anything since the game came out.

Yes you was the cause of outbreak of noob psychic when the game came out.

So please, don't say anything anymore, you killing our young generation.

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear · May 2010

Diminished vigor could be purified until the update in the middle of double drops, I've watched it purify off Barbs in TW, if they were hacking, so be it. Now, no, it cannot be purified.

Once again, I tested the soulburn trigger, had my cleric wife stand there and spam heal herself as I cast it, look, no trigger, no hp loss... Dunno, maybe there's some programming variations between servers, or maybe my skill by itself is broken much like some people are completely unable to use hyperstones (dunno if that was fixed last update).

The post I made way back when was when I was level 50, soul of stunning at that level does well, virtually nothing...

Soul of Retaliation for the first month did affect nothing but cost, I leveled it to 10 and it was still .1, perhaps it was a display error at that time that was fixed, but as it read at that time, yes.

torrent and Sandtrap, eh, not that useful some usefulness, not great...

That post was about leveling precedence, and yes, absolutely don't level those early on.

My entire point with the lengthening of the time is that cooldown should not equal recharge. Within the boundaries of the suggested times, no, it would not be able to be cast on 80 people in a tw, unless 27 of those players were psychics, in which case you've got a pretty odd tw makeup to begin with.

Anyhow, done bickering on this post.

Hypnos - Raging Tide · May 2010

o plz, you digging your own grave. Look it up on patch note and quote it here to back up argument.

The question is whether you cast before he heal, or after it. if you wait for the HoT to stack up then cast it then ofc the HoT would outheal your soulburn you dumbfk. Soul of stunning at lvl 50 give you 2 sec of stunning, which part of it is useless?

Psychic
Fixed Sandburst Blast's cooldown time.

Bubble of Life radius increased from 5m to 15m.

Duration times of White Voodoo and Black Voodoo increased from 60 seconds to 900 seconds.

Changed the timing for Soul of Vengeance and Soul of Silence:

-The two skills no longer share the same cooldown.
-Increased the effect duration time to 10 minutes.
-Increased the cooldown time to 10 minutes.
-Skill effects will remain after log off or death.

Lowered the hate value caused by Psychic and Assassin skills.

Twilight Temple weapons for Tideborn
New Daggers and Spheres have been added to the Twilight Temple: Weapons forge for Assassins and Psychics.

Hvati - Harshlands · May 2010

what about psychic will it says that it removes any negative status from the target and the target becomes immune to physical damage. Is it just a glitch on mine that the only target you can chose is yourself ?

Paimage - Harshlands · May 2010

lmfao Hypnos is so harsh towards aneurysmal, they look like a couple that jus broke outb:laugh

Hypnos - Raging Tide · May 2010

Tough love

...or ****...w/e

FapFapFap - Raging Tide · May 2010

*gulp*...*gulp*...Bwahahaha xD
First thread with HATE (*DUNDUNDUUUUN*) in Psychic section, yes baby yes!

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Once again, I tested the soulburn trigger, had my cleric wife stand there and spam heal herself as I cast it, look, no trigger, no hp loss... Dunno, maybe there's some programming variations between servers, or maybe my skill by itself is broken much like some people are completely unable to use hyperstones (dunno if that was fixed last update).

Don't think it's a variation between servers...would be kinda weird if they'd rewrite that instead of copying it and since it's a status effect it wouldn't be affected by who is casting the skill. In ur place I'd try it again and if it's still the same u could show us cuz if it's the case it will be worth a ticket. I killed myself last time by being dumb and using holy path while having soulburn on...too much of a chicken..anyways, it should be always like that and I haven't seen any1 questioning the effect yet.
And if u want I create a nabcleric on HT and u can show me so I can call Hypnos nab next time and gonna replace him in his faction. (I know they want me..hard..soft...admit it!)

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

torrent and Sandtrap, eh, not that useful some usefulness, not great...

They're great for dots, not affected by atk lvl (white voodoo

) and easily do (with non-**** wpn) triple sparked 5k+ dmg over 15 seconds on arcane classes or 8-10 on HA, together with ur nukes this is getting really painful.
Ofc only useful in 1on1s, especially against sins where u hardly survive with using black from the start.

Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

My entire point with the lengthening of the time is that cooldown should not equal recharge. Within the boundaries of the suggested times, no, it would not be able to be cast on 80 people in a tw, unless 27 of those players were psychics, in which case you've got a pretty odd tw makeup to begin with.

I'd rather focus on my squad in TW...cast it on the 1 who needs it most (empowered) or if u are targeting cata barbs then on the 1 u are targeting..simple as that.
Otherwise start doing what u are best at - AoE like hell, other actions would be a waste of time where u could kill in most cases.

But thumbs up for bringing some action into here xD Even if the arguments are kinda...wait..arguments?

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