Sage/Demon Revive

I do not think that it is the price as much as it is the rarity. I have seen very few Sage Revive or even Hell Revive up for sale because most learn the skill versus selling it (at least on LC).

You can however make the same argument for many of the other class skill books b:surrender

SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm sorry that i said that..It's just that I love that skill sooo much that i'm willing to sell my kidney for it (lol i was kidding about that part, but you get the point).

Most I am sure feel the same way tbh. I got lucky and made it along with all my skills without but few duplicates. Except for Sage Spirit's Gift that cost me an arm and a leg trying to make b:angry, then a friend made one and sold to me

Try to make it yourself or roll with it I guess...it is insane that for not getting a benefit it is so expensive, but it is a skill many other players would love to have on a Cleric.

The main problem is the fact it's in such a heavy demand. Despite being a beneficial skill it also serves to increase the worth of your character. After all, a cleric with lv11 rez is going to be far more popular and in higher demand in squads, instances and large TW factions than a cleric with lv10 rez.

Basically, few would admit it but a lot of players feel if they had lv11 rez and used it in a squad other players would be like "wow! lv11 rez?! thx you're a super awesome cleric! *adds to friendlist*". It's the same reason why most people obsess over levels or spend $$$'s on gear. E-peen and popularity. So unfortunately, can't see the price dropping any time soon ^^

Most squads I have been in with a cleric with a lvl 11 res the cleric finds a way to work into the conversation that they have lvl 11 res. There is definitely a pride factor in it...

Still a cleric that can res better is ultimately a better cleric and people pay lots of coins to make their character better.

exent wrote: »

It'S rare and it'S usefull = it'S expensive. Can't really put in in a clearer way...

It's not any more rare than a number of other sage cleric skills (see links below), but it is very much in demand as DarkSeph said. Thus the difference between Sage Revive or Sage Ironheart (both ~25m) and Sage Wellspring Surge (~6.5m) or Sage Elemental Seal (~4m). Basically as long as at least one person is willing to pay 25m+ for it (I did), then others will continue to sell it at that price. When multiple people have the book and repeatedly cannot sell because NOBODY will buy it unless the price is significantly lower, only then will the price be driven down. After all if you got it from a forge or from a monster drop, didn't need it, didn't feel generous enough to gift it to a friend that plays a cleric, and knew that all the times you've looked in the Auction it's sold for 25-30m, why on earth would you short-change yourself and list it for say 12m?!

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/18164 - Forge

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/9186 - Hellfire Abomination

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/9181 - Peachblossom Ritualist


I just wish it resurrected the target with full HP/MP so no charm tick occurs--that would've been truly awesome!

There are good reasons why these skills are very expensive. They are not just about helping other people and making you feel nice.

Not only are they rare, they are very, very useful in TW. Demon rez has half channel - bring dead people back much faster and the sage version allows the cleric to avoid combat more easily.

So yeah, good reason why they are expensive. Same with Sage purge, Demon nova and other class specific skills that can help win a TW.

axt57 wrote: »

There are good reasons why these skills are very expensive. They are not just about helping other people and making you feel nice.

Not only are they rare, they are very, very useful in TW. Demon rez has half channel - bring dead people back much faster and the sage version allows the cleric to avoid combat more easily.

So yeah, good reason why they are expensive. Same with Sage purge, Demon nova and other class specific skills that can help win a TW.

For those of us who choose not to TW.. this does not even matter. They are so expensive because people are greedy. I don't PK/TW and I'm on a PVE server. Fact of the matter is, its a book that isn't made/dropped as often and people can get away with charging that man his kidney and 1 appendage for it.

Honestly right now rev is only 15-20m, and I've heard of them going for less. From what I've heard one even went for 9m on HT. thats not that much for a skill that is in such demand, and percentage wise it should be worth about that much. since basically all the other skills from book trade sell for 1-2m (excluding ih, which is about as much or alittle more then rev). and considering its 4-5m to make one book. I think they're at a pretty fair price. and also at least for demon rev, its very useful. half chan makes it so if someone dies you can get them up and going while barely missing a beat.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

My mom is a cleric and I told her to not waste her money. 40 million for a skill that will not help her at all is useless to her. It would save us .1 percent. Even to me its not worth it for her to waste that kind of coin. Why on earth would anyone spend 40 million coins to upgrade a skill that does them no benefit at all???

I think its tragic. The reason its so high goes back to greed. People get the skill book, and although it is rare 40 mil is ridiculous. Next time a lvl 90+ cleric revives you and you lose .1 percent just remember 40 million is a lot of coins to come up with for a skill that does a cleric no benefit. Buffs are the most important skills of the game that each class possesses that helps another class. As long as there are greedy ppl out there who randomly get a book and decide its rare enough they should charge 40 mil coins for it, there will be people out there without buff skills that would be more helpful.

My husband is a barb, I'm an archer, my mom is a cleric. We made a heck of a squad. None of us has sage/demon buffs. If the price ever goes down, we may. Until then... we'll live with what we've got... and so will others who think the price is ridiculous.

When you hit 98% of Level 101 and get killed in an instance, remember that .1% of that 66 million experience is 660 thousand. even after that towards 102 i believe it is somewhere in the millions of experience for only .1% (not sure)

also how does a res NOT affect the cleric? i don't mean in everyday just flying around ****, but in an instance a sage or demon res can make or break a bad situation.

Situation 1:
Barb dies and BM takes over
cleric casts wings of protection on bm and procedes to res barb
(cleric has demon res and barb is up in 4 seconds flat)
cleric does quick half hour buffs and barb take back control in time to save bm
(if cleric would have not had demon res and healed the bm who might have died or not had full aggro, cleric would probably have died)

Situation 2:
Party wipe in a bad area for a cleric to go
(sage res from 40 meters away) cleric stays in safe zone to get res on entire party
party res's all at the same time while cleric keeps barb healed who take full aggro


sage and demon res is not only about the exp loss prevention, though that is what most people focus on, my wife has sage res, it has been handy with the distance. even with everyday stuff resing someone from a greater height instead of having to fly lower to mobs which may aggro her, does save her sometimes.

XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Actually, 0.1% of 66mil would be 66k.

Not that much at all, unless you pay for your exp on a regular basis. Then it becomes more a matter of wasted money/coin than the actual EXP.

is it? lol my math musta been off but still there is a difference between no res and a lvl 11 res thats for sure.

The sage/demon res was almost halved when I bought it on HT for my cleric.

The "expensive" price was typically no more than 30 mil while the "norm" was around 25-27 mil.

I found a demon res for just under 16 mil in the auction house. It's intriguing that that is what most were going for around that time. The cheapest I saw was 15 mil, but they kinda stuck around 15 - 20 mil recently. Not sure why that was either. I'm not sure of the prices now as I don't look for them in the AH anymore after learning mine.

exent wrote: »

The prices wille ventually go down, but first, we'll have to see a reduction of the demand (more and more clerics will actually get it, and won't need it anymore) and an increase in supply (more and more players will find that book). Eventually, the prices will go down to a more reasonable area...

I would hypothesize that the price has a lower limit based on the cost of mysterious pages. Due to a floor on the price of tokens, the lowest price for these skill books made with mysterious pages is 4.5 mil. So all 10 skills (well, 9, but Vanguard Spirit has a 20% chance vs 10% for the others) would cost on average 45 mil to manufacture.

If a previous poster is correct that only two of the skills (IH and Revive) are worth anything, and you value the others at ~1 mil each, that leaves 37 mil in cost for the two skills. So 15-20 mil each is probably the lowest in price those skills will ever become, for the simple reason that that's what it costs on average to make them. In fact, once the market becomes flooded by the other 8 undesirable skills (the few people who desire them have already bought them) and they drop in price, the price of those two skills should actually go up slightly.