When should I use fists for PVE?

gammazare
gammazare Posts: 54 Arc User
edited May 2010 in Blademaster
what level do fists become better than the other weapons?
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  • Motoko - Raging Tide
    Motoko - Raging Tide Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited May 2010
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    There's no exact level. Fists get only really good once you get -interval gear. Some get the DQ light bracers mold at 60 but it's expensive for the level. The vast majority only get -interval items at 90 or even higher... If you don't afford -interval items you'll be doing better with single sword (cheap and makes plenty of chi for sutra) or dual axes (better damage and AOE grinding).

    But fists aren't better than the other weapons for everything. Axe skills are still much better to AOE and polearm skills will always have the best attack range. Fists are particularly superior for making a lot of chi over time with normal attack. With lots of -interval items it comes to a point a BM can sustain demon spark on and then damage over time turns to be immense.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If you don't afford -interval items you'll be doing better with single sword (cheap and makes plenty of chi for sutra)
    Why would a single sword be better than a fist in any way? I hope you're joking.
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Why would a single sword be better than a fist in any way? I hope you're joking.
    with no -interval a single sword with normal attack deals higher DPS than fists. axes aren't bad at all in the same conditions but building chi for sutra is painfully slow through normal attack.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    with no -interval a single sword with normal attack deals higher DPS than fists. axes aren't bad at all in the same conditions but building chi for sutra is painfully slow through normal attack.
    The difference in damage done is so small that fists will win simply because of the rate at which they build chi. And your argument fails the second you hit 29, as fist mastery is worth leveling, sword mastery isn't.
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  • jaxteller
    jaxteller Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I use fists on my lvl 57 BM and I like it :D
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    The difference in damage done is so small that fists will win simply because of the rate at which they build chi. And your argument fails the second you hit 29, as fist mastery is worth leveling, sword mastery isn't.
    you can always preach polearm ranged skills are better but you can't prove following axes, fists and poles is viable since low level. also it's consensus that MSS is important. pointless to spend 4m to upgrade MSS to lvl10 while neglecting the mastery.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    you can always preach polearm ranged skills are better but you can't prove following axes, fists and poles is viable since low level. also it's consensus that MSS is important. pointless to spend 4m to upgrade MSS to lvl10 while neglecting the mastery.
    Pointless spending 4m to upgrade MSS in general. I have never found myself needing it and I'm almost 90.


    And yes I have mixed Axe/Fist since lower levels and I have had spear skills since lv65 or so. Swords are garbage throughout the levels, Fists only require mastery and lv1 shadowless. It's VERY easy to level both axe and fist skills once you finish up the basic skills.
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  • Motoko - Raging Tide
    Motoko - Raging Tide Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    gammazare wrote: »
    what level do fists become better than the other weapons?
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    you can always preach polearm ranged skills are better but you can't prove following axes, fists and poles is viable since low level. also it's consensus that MSS is important. pointless to spend 4m to upgrade MSS to lvl10 while neglecting the mastery.

    Really? I've only seen a couple <90 BMs talking about how great it is, and maybe 1 or 2 100+
    Just because it has the highest % multiplier of any skill doesn't make it worth using. It costs 2 sparks, and forces you to use a weapon with terrible damage range (tt90gold) to get zerk on it, making the high multiplier near useless. If there were dual swords with zerk on them, it would be a skill worth using, maybe. Still hard to justify it over HF or Glacial.

    Fists only need Mastery and lvl 1 shadowless kick to be useful at low levels.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    from lvl 29+

    time you SOULDENT use fists (much shorter list and im lazy)

    aoe grinding

    axe stun skills

    MSSing bosses

    runners

    if your other weapons have better shards and you like looking shiny with swirly hands while you stand around afk somewhere
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  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    MSS is good for Rebirth. Mainly the place I use it, or in higher instances where I try to bleed off damage and use MSS on AoE happy bosses. Makes healing easier, and if/when the aggro swap happens, the cleric has time to catch up. Tend to run instances with 3 fist BMs in party, so paranoia runs rampant.

    Rebirth really needs it, if your barb is bad and bites it during the lure on double wave. If traditional, you'll be catching. And an all weapon BM needs something to help survive the initial onslaught of all that aggro, due to low health from 3/5 vit.

    Delta, Demon MSS is just sweet. It allows for a catch on those sleeper mobs, acts as a stun or aggro grab on stun immune critters, reduces their damage for any not stunned, and let's you deal damage during all of that. Oh yeah, I love the versatility of Demon MSS in there. And fisters have chi to toss around in the beginning of waves anyways, so just move on to HF or GS after. Don't bother with rainbow deltas at all, more fun doing a more thought out group and beating it with ease.
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  • DrHook - Lost City
    DrHook - Lost City Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Fact, fist will always be best for taking one mob at a time especially with -int gear, AoE sucks DBB is mostly ****.

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