BB pre-lvl 75
Selquet - Sanctuary
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Looking for some opinions on BBing before lvl 75, when event food isn't easily obtainable.
I don't have the funds to look for and buy the already difficult to find lvl 25 MP food, so if using BB I'm maintaining it as best as I can, currently with lvl 60 MP pots. I also can't justify the expense of an MP charm when it ticks so soon, making it impractical for me at this time unless for the sole purpose of BBing (but then it'd be wasted throughout the run/while grinding/whatever).
The question is: On BHs like Wyvern (thankfully will be outlvling this BH soon) where people expect BB, is it worth insisting that BB not be used? I have healed squads with melee DDs on Wyvern without BB before but I'd imagine the melee DDs were occasionally potting if I couldn't get to them quick enough.
What are your experiences with healing on a boss like Wyvern without BB? Do you end up just BBing and hoping they kill it faster than your MP will run out?
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This thread was inspired by the first line in this post. While yes, that is true 75+, prior to that you have no alternative to pots other than forking out for wasteful MP charms or trying to somehow lay your hands on the lvl 25 food (and have the coins to pay for it).
The time spent from lvl 59-75 in the game is much shorter now with BHs but it's still long enough to make me curious about how others have dealt with this type of situation.
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I don't have the funds to look for and buy the already difficult to find lvl 25 MP food, so if using BB I'm maintaining it as best as I can, currently with lvl 60 MP pots. I also can't justify the expense of an MP charm when it ticks so soon, making it impractical for me at this time unless for the sole purpose of BBing (but then it'd be wasted throughout the run/while grinding/whatever).
The question is: On BHs like Wyvern (thankfully will be outlvling this BH soon) where people expect BB, is it worth insisting that BB not be used? I have healed squads with melee DDs on Wyvern without BB before but I'd imagine the melee DDs were occasionally potting if I couldn't get to them quick enough.
What are your experiences with healing on a boss like Wyvern without BB? Do you end up just BBing and hoping they kill it faster than your MP will run out?
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This thread was inspired by the first line in this post. While yes, that is true 75+, prior to that you have no alternative to pots other than forking out for wasteful MP charms or trying to somehow lay your hands on the lvl 25 food (and have the coins to pay for it).
The time spent from lvl 59-75 in the game is much shorter now with BHs but it's still long enough to make me curious about how others have dealt with this type of situation.
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what the fruit?
people actually expect BB on bosses like wyvern?
actually scratch that, people expect BB at any non TT boss pre 70?
b:shocked
people has become so.....unskilled now....or would incompetent be more fitting?
(>.<)'
smack the people who expect BB during bosses like wyvern upside the head.
err..let me guess...they be assassins....and want to get into wyverns AoE range to do minor to mediocre damage before dropping dead to the AOE.
b:surrender
o right the original question, use apothecary pots (iono me always did like arctic orb but probably would be different for a cleric since they can't pop it during BB so....100 mp regen one should help in addition to the regular pots.
back when me was pre 75, me would do regular BH (clerics never used BB except if they got lazy or something) and would aoe grind with me BM and cleric friends. (BB didn't take a charm since we take breaks and could nom on a few apothecary pots) then we hit 75+ and could just use the 5k MP pots.darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
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I would suggest leveling up the apothecary skills to at least level 2 and create the one that can give you 3k of MP in 10 seconds (not looking at it right now, but I think that's what it does).
But that does take time to harvest the correct herbs and the right amount.
On a side note, the people asking for BB on wyvern probably still believe in the myth of turning him around as well :P If anything, turning wyvern around just puts your cleric in danger because now there is more space between you and your cleric and he/she is now closer to the boss and within his AOE. So please... stop turning wyvern around, lol.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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bb on wyvern? o0
nobody did that cuz at lvl u do it (50-60) wyvern was able to cancel ur bb o.o
u just healed + purify tank and heal melees on max heal range and thats all
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I have to second the above posters.
I have sooo many fun stories from wyvern b:laugh
When my archer alt was in BH51 lvl range I got a fun surprise when we came to wyvern.
People wanted, for some reason I have no idea of, to turn this boss around. I tried to tell them that his aoe is not frontal, but is actually a full circle, but noooo. So when the cleric healed he got 2 shotted from the aoe..
Multiple times I found out that around 60-70% of clerics that are lvl 60-70 have no idea about debuffs, and the fact that you can purify them. I told them to use purify on the tank when the orange icon popped up him, to which they did once or twice (those that actually had purify), then stopped. When we got wiped, I asked them why they stopped purifying, and got told that "the icon just showed up again like 10 seconds later anyway, so there was no point in purifying if it just came back... b:shocked
Aaand lastly, in line with the op, there were those clerics that HAD to use BB, even though I told them not to, since you cant purify in BB. Well, alot of funny wipes happened here too. I got seriously tired of running wyvern through the whole ****ing dungeon, I have no idea how many times I had to do that b:angry
Anyways
Pre lvl 75 there is mostly no need for BB at all, the only thing would be zhenning, but the people running around in that lvl range today have no idea what that is anyway :P
God, I hate to be rambling on about how "everything was better in the old days", but they really were I played my cleric to ****ing perfection, and I still do. No idea why some of my groups wipe now and then. *Goes to blame the tank* b:chuckle 0 -
I don't need my bb until I go tt. If you want to bb for a long time, get yourself focus powder or concentrated orbs. Put on your apo item and then go bb + pots from time to time. It let you maintain your bb for 10 mins easily.
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MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »what the fruit?
people actually expect BB on bosses like wyvern?
actually scratch that, people expect BB at any non TT boss pre 70?
b:shocked
people has become so.....unskilled now....or would incompetent be more fitting?
(>.<)'
smack the people who expect BB during bosses like wyvern upside the head.
err..let me guess...they be assassins....and want to get into wyverns AoE range to do minor to mediocre damage before dropping dead to the AOE.
b:surrender
o right the original question, use apothecary pots (iono me always did like arctic orb but probably would be different for a cleric since they can't pop it during BB so....100 mp regen one should help in addition to the regular pots.
back when me was pre 75, me would do regular BH (clerics never used BB except if they got lazy or something) and would aoe grind with me BM and cleric friends. (BB didn't take a charm since we take breaks and could nom on a few apothecary pots) then we hit 75+ and could just use the 5k MP pots.
uhg, I hate it when high levels get all uppity. BB is useful for ANY AOE boss. The cleric needs to watch out for everyone, not just ignore the melees while only healing the tank, because when the melee DDs die, they may leave squad or blame the cleric, and people don't want to deal with that kind of ****/drama. A dungeoun is a dungeoun, TT or otherwise, and a boss is a boss. All that needs to be done is stay alive and kill it, and everyone will be happy, so stop with this hierarchial ****, because BB is faster and more efficient in AOE boss situations than one-target heals or Chrom heal (because either way the melee DDs are outta luck).
The problem is that pre-75, it sucks all your mana in like 10 seconds. If you have some cash, you can get a charm from the cash shop (which is not wasteful at all o.o) or if you have a lot of in-game money (like 2M) watch world chat because people sell platinum charms from time to time.
As for the apothecary food, just level your apothecary skill. Cat shops sell lots of herbs by the apothecary in West Archo, so you can buy from them and be level 2 in like 5 minutes.Reichle lvl7x cleric | Neithin lvl5x barb | Tigressi lvl3x veno | Etheriali lvl3x wiz | Goldeeni lvl2x sin | Lilaq lvl2x BM | Fuegai lvlx archer | Whiteney psychic not created yet >_>
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O_O i'm just too surpised o_o really i never read something like that. On Wyvern i've ALWAYS used BB.. not just cause tank or anybody else has asked it to me.. I'm able to maintain it as long as the boss die without too much mp problems [cause of the pots of course xD] I just don't know another way to do it.. like i said before i've always done it that way..0
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Two things:
BB heals significantly less HP than an Ironheart stack. 714+30% every 2 seconds vs 300+20% every 5 seconds.
Apothecary items can't be used while in BB.
Contrary to what you may think, the main reason to BB is NOT to heal the squad. The main reason is to halve the damage taken by the squad. Pre-75, I don't think there's any situation where BB is necessary, except certain TT bosses.0 -
Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »uhg, I hate it when high levels get all uppity. BB is useful for ANY AOE boss. The cleric needs to watch out for everyone, not just ignore the melees while only healing the tank, because when the melee DDs die, they may leave squad or blame the cleric, and people don't want to deal with that kind of ****/drama. A dungeoun is a dungeoun, TT or otherwise, and a boss is a boss. All that needs to be done is stay alive and kill it, and everyone will be happy, so stop with this hierarchial ****, because BB is faster and more efficient in AOE boss situations than one-target heals or Chrom heal (because either way the melee DDs are outta luck).
No.....just no....*sigh*
Not to be rude....but now-a-days, people think BB is the do-all in healing. I would rather heal individually then deal with BB b:shutup Although it is good in some situations bc of the % damage reduction. It is NOT useful on ANY AOE boss. Trust me on this and I am not being "uppity," I am being 100% realistic b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »No.....just no....*sigh*
Not to be rude....but now-a-days, people think BB is the do-all in healing. I would rather heal individually then deal with BB b:shutup Although it is good in some situations bc of the % damage reduction. It is NOT useful on ANY AOE boss. Trust me on this and I am not being "uppity," I am being 100% realistic b:surrender
But what about bosses that half the whole squad's HP in one hit? BB is good for that, isn't it? Healing individually seems a bit...inefficient when compared to BB, don't you think? Individual heal spells take time to cast, and while you're casting, people are dying. And if BB isn't good for a boss, that's probably because the boss has a poision-type attack as well as AOE. In that kind of situation it would be best to have two clerics, one to BB, the other to purify/DD/supplement heal as needed.
And sorry for flaming high-levels, but AOE is usually associated with BB, and in BH51, the squad starts poking the cleric for BB when they get to Wyvern.Reichle lvl7x cleric | Neithin lvl5x barb | Tigressi lvl3x veno | Etheriali lvl3x wiz | Goldeeni lvl2x sin | Lilaq lvl2x BM | Fuegai lvlx archer | Whiteney psychic not created yet >_>
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Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »Two things:
BB heals significantly less HP than an Ironheart stack. 714+30% every 2 seconds vs 300+20% every 5 seconds.
Apothecary items can't be used while in BB.
Contrary to what you may think, the main reason to BB is NOT to heal the squad. The main reason is to halve the damage taken by the squad. Pre-75, I don't think there's any situation where BB is necessary, except certain TT bosses.
But isn't the whole reason why it's more efficient because it halves damage for everyone, then heals everyone? With a stacked IH thats just one person. What about the rest?Reichle lvl7x cleric | Neithin lvl5x barb | Tigressi lvl3x veno | Etheriali lvl3x wiz | Goldeeni lvl2x sin | Lilaq lvl2x BM | Fuegai lvlx archer | Whiteney psychic not created yet >_>
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Chromatic Healing Beam Level 6Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »But what about bosses that half the whole squad's HP in one hit?
Heals squad members within 16 meters radius of you. Recovers HP equal
to 830 plus 16% of your base magic attack.
Also level 59 requirement. Takes no sparks. Heals more HP. Wider range. Cycle time is 6.5 seconds.
BB heals 300 HP + 20% every 5 seconds. Again, you don't BB for the healing. You BB for the damage reduction. Or to be lazy, of course.
Name a boss that repeats its aoe in less than 6.5 seconds, if a melee class is tanking, before level 75. I certainly can't think of any.Individual heal spells take time to cast, and while you're casting, people are dying.
Sure. But, that only matters if the entire squad is taking damage, constantly. Again with the exception of certain TT bosses, that simply doesn't happen before level 75, unless someone screws up horribly.Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »But isn't the whole reason why it's more efficient because it halves damage for everyone, then heals everyone? With a stacked IH thats just one person. What about the rest?0 -
Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »But what about bosses that half the whole squad's HP in one hit? BB is good for that, isn't it? Healing individually seems a bit...inefficient when compared to BB, don't you think? Individual heal spells take time to cast, and while you're casting, people are dying. And if BB isn't good for a boss, that's probably because the boss has a poision-type attack as well as AOE. In that kind of situation it would be best to have two clerics, one to BB, the other to purify/DD/supplement heal as needed.
And sorry for flaming high-levels, but AOE is usually associated with BB, and in BH51, the squad starts poking the cleric for BB when they get to Wyvern.
1) I never once opened BB on that boss O_o (no clue where that came from)
2) You will find later that BB just will not cut it and at that point you will need to learn to adapt and "individual" heal each person. I go through this all the time in FB99's/HH's and the like.
I was not taking personally any "flaming," but at your level you still (imo) have a lot to learn as I did at that level. I just do not want you to continue to think that BB is the end all. There will even be later on when you will have BB open and another Cleric healing (much later on). The more you learn your skills, the more you will realize that a Cleric can heal anything alone and not once open BB or even that later on you can have RB up and drop it to heal then channel RB again.
Just do not think that BB will always keep your squad alive. Try it a few times doing "individual" heals. It is good practice for later
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O.O *nods* mmhmm-mmhmmmm....so you are all saying that BB is overrated? So when is it actually of use then? Should I try to level it at all?Reichle lvl7x cleric | Neithin lvl5x barb | Tigressi lvl3x veno | Etheriali lvl3x wiz | Goldeeni lvl2x sin | Lilaq lvl2x BM | Fuegai lvlx archer | Whiteney psychic not created yet >_>
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I never liked BB. I hate the idea that I'm trapped in it, out of control of the squad...if someone runs out of range I don't like that I can't heal them anymore. I much prefer using Chromatic when I can get away with it, which is nearly always.
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Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »O.O *nods* mmhmm-mmhmmmm....so you are all saying that BB is overrated? So when is it actually of use then? Should I try to level it at all?
BB is (imo) an AOE safe gaurd (as in when the group is aoe'ing more then a few mobs) and also a just in case things start to get crazy and CH just does not cut it. As mentioned above, it is not the heal as much as it is the % damage reduction that is more of a "saver" then anything. I have still seen more then a few ppl die while BB was up as further proof it is not 100% because the heal is so low.
It is not hard to heal a tank and switch for a quick WS on another squad member that might be losing some hp. IMO that is safer.
And BB = one level. It is what it is and the heal will increase as your mag does as it adds % to the heal off of your base magic attack.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »BB is (imo) an AOE safe gaurd (as in when the group is aoe'ing more then a few mobs) and also a just in case things start to get crazy and CH just does not cut it. As mentioned above, it is not the heal as much as it is the % damage reduction that is more of a "saver" then anything. I have still seen more then a few ppl die while BB was up as further proof it is not 100% because the heal is so low.
It is not hard to heal a tank and switch for a quick WS on another squad member that might be losing some hp. IMO that is safer.
And BB = one level. It is what it is and the heal will increase as your mag does as it adds % to the heal off of your base magic attack.
Ohhhhh, I get it now. I lovers these forums *w*Reichle lvl7x cleric | Neithin lvl5x barb | Tigressi lvl3x veno | Etheriali lvl3x wiz | Goldeeni lvl2x sin | Lilaq lvl2x BM | Fuegai lvlx archer | Whiteney psychic not created yet >_>
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Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »O.O *nods* mmhmm-mmhmmmm....so you are all saying that BB is overrated? So when is it actually of use then? Should I try to level it at all?
bb is bit overrated cuz it s convieniet. when squad get wipe u can always say 'but i bb'ed D8' and ur not guilty i spose
it s same overrated like ih imo. when f.e. on boss that need purge, veno wont do job good and tank die you can always blame veno, and tell that u spamed ur ih-F1 key like mad
everything that need some more effort like switching targets, using different heals or -omg- genie (energy cost QQ) is just bad nowadays i spose
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I didn't get BB till 75 and have always hated it b:quiet
It's not necessary till you start TT-ing really. BB in FB51 seems.... silly...
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BB is neccessary in only a few circumstances(usually ones that would normally 1-shot a tank).
BB has two main uses
1) Psychological - people for some reason feel safer with BB around. If you want some peace of mind, BB and people will shutup.
2) For the rich and lazy - get a charm, and use BB on some mediocre boss. Then go a cookie.
note: BB is one of our most beautiful skills(perhaps a good reason for using it)and bro...fyi this isn't a story.
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I was going to say use chromatic healing beam when doing wyvern as some one already said.I would use bb when a Wiz. is using dragons breath like in rb squad.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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I used BB quite a bit before I was level 75. They were called zhen squads, not really feasible any more with the insane gold prices. As for the wyvern thing.....
If the barb knows he can stay alive inside BB, and the cleric is cool with it, I say go for it. Doing a thousand frost runs with very different squads, I have learned this rule: the best way to do things is the one where everyone knows what they should be doing, and no one dies.
Do we BB in the hall and have two people pull mobs, or have one person get everything and set up inside? One isn't really better than the other, except maybe in a vacuum. But if the puller is expecting Bb in one place, and you're at the other, someone messed up.
Also, isn't it common practice to BB during the drum boss in 1-1? And I'm not talking about when your 90+ faction mates are farming a weapon for your alt.0 -
Wow last poster sort of hit the nail on the coffin. Way to many damn oracle nubs nowadays and many of them posted a lot of nonsense on this thread. Comments like "I didn't get BB till 75 and have always hated it" are my pont as to the cluelessness of many ppl coming up the ranks as clerics now a days. Here is wht ALL clerics SHOULD get bb asap after 59 culti and WHEN/WHY they need it. If GASP you actually do your OWN tts at the appropriate level w/out higher level peepz to farm it for you; you WON'T survive 1-1/1-2/1-3 w/out bb. So to the guy who didnt use bb till he was 75; obviously he had others farm his tt60/tt70 wpn for him. So ignore comments like his. No way a cleric that doesn't use bb in 1-1/1-2/1-3 when going at the level they are supposed to be; survives. Nope they just asked some higher levels to go farm it for them.
Also to the op; guess what many of us clerics did pre event food? That's right we used apothecary items and mp regen gear (hell I still run around 99% of the time inside instances w/ my mp regen gear of +38 on) and GASP bought the level 60/70/80 mp pots. Charms EVEN when gold was 100k were NEVER the cheaper alternative because of the nonstop ticks when it wasn't needed. In my 60's/70's I could do a fb 39 w/ a cleric same level who would burn through 100-200k off of an mp charm in fb 39 whereas I would use maybe 5-10 mp pots max in the same run w/ them. Money was not easier to aquire back then as tt mats were much higher and if you sold gold you'd get 1/4 the amount of cash you do nowadays. Clerics just sucked it up and dealt with it with lots of farming for herbs.
Meh also I could be wrong but isn't bb the heal of choice in say fb 51 if you have a competent bm/barb with you so you can aoe mobs at lower levels? at the very least it's the oh **** multiple ppl have aggro on multiple mobs so I'll bb to try and save em all at once. Some ppl will argue the point that bb is a cheaper mana heal then chrom beam/ih but that's not set in stone. You can spark while using chrom beam thus gaining mana back.
Me personally I bb all the damn time. I make the barb/bm round up mobs and we zhen them to save time cuz time = money imo. Plus w/ my high mp regen gear I have I can bb every boss in fb 99 and not use a single pot (except peach cuz of mana drains) if I've got good dds w/ me.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Rawthorne - Heavens Tear wrote: »Wow last poster sort of hit the nail on the coffin. Way to many damn oracle nubs nowadays and many of them posted a lot of nonsense on this thread. Comments like "I didn't get BB till 75 and have always hated it" are my pont as to the cluelessness of many ppl coming up the ranks as clerics now a days. Here is wht ALL clerics SHOULD get bb asap after 59 culti and WHEN/WHY they need it. If GASP you actually do your OWN tts at the appropriate level w/out higher level peepz to farm it for you; you WON'T survive 1-1/1-2/1-3 w/out bb. So to the guy who didnt use bb till he was 75; obviously he had others farm his tt60/tt70 wpn for him. So ignore comments like his. No way a cleric that doesn't use bb in 1-1/1-2/1-3 when going at the level they are supposed to be; survives. Nope they just asked some higher levels to go farm it for them.
Actually, contrary to what you may or may not think, I have been playing for quite some time (well over a year now, in fact). I have not oracled up to 93, I just work at it slowly. Please do not claim things you have no way of verifying ^.^
I did NOT need it at 60, and I did NOT need it at 75. Get over yourself and get off your high horse. I do not care much for TT and did not care for it then either. I did plenty of TTs after I got BB and still hate the skill. There were no 90's farming TT for me when I was 60 (highest level on the server was 94 then, but you know that, right Mr 101?), so again, please don't insult me.
I never said you did not need it in TT, I said I didn't get it till 75 and hated it. It's obviously needed in TT, but the post had nothing to do with TT. It had to do with BB in FB 51. Please actually read and don't insinuate things you have... GASP.... no way of verifying ^.^
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