Sage Sword vs Sage Fist vs Poleblade

Fists are good with -interval items even to sages.

Swords are only good for myriad sword stance.

Polearms are good to PK runners. Some claim they're also good for rebirth.

Dual axes are the best for skills.

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

How dumb are you lol, sage spear BM works great. Ofcourse you're still going to want axe path skills at the very least. Swords are trash, period.

no spike, no dps, no stun.

any more questions?

sword can be utilised well in 1v1 fights, even if it isnt the best. spears cant be used as solo weapon efficiently.

Hippie - Harshlands wrote: »

no spike, no dps, no stun.

any more questions?

sword can be utilised well in 1v1 fights, even if it isnt the best. spears cant be used as solo weapon efficiently.

There's no reason to use any kind of weapon as a solo weapon. If you combine it with axes you have all your stuns, and even if you don't there's Aeolian Blade, Roar and Occult Ice.


No spike? You do realize what sage Farstrike does? You do realize what happens if you combine it with the zerk spear and/or Heaven's Flame?


Or wait, lets compare.

Base physical damage + 100% weapon damage + 4320.0 (GL finding a sword worth using this with)
Base physical damage + 180% weapon damage + 4848.0 (grade 13 weap with zerk. Oh and its ranged, too)


Swords are awful, compared to every other weapon tree in almost every situation. They can be utilized well? lol. Mage bane sucks, Spirit chaser sucks compared to Farstrike, Atmos strike sucks compared to Farstrike, MSS is a skill you use in pve, not pvp, nobody's going to die to your sucky sword damage. And you're still missing a stun with swords.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm confused by your post. Are you saying spears don't have spike, dps, stun?

Compared to other weapons.

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

There's no reason to use any kind of weapon as a solo weapon. If you combine it with axes you have all your stuns, and even if you don't there's Aeolian Blade, Roar and Occult Ice.


No spike? You do realize what sage Farstrike does? You do realize what happens if you combine it with the zerk spear and/or Heaven's Flame?


Or wait, lets compare.

Base physical damage + 100% weapon damage + 4320.0 (GL finding a sword worth using this with)
Base physical damage + 180% weapon damage + 4848.0 (grade 13 weap with zerk. Oh and its ranged, too)


Swords are awful, compared to every other weapon tree in almost every situation. They can be utilized well? lol. Mage bane sucks, Spirit chaser sucks compared to Farstrike, Atmos strike sucks compared to Farstrike, MSS is a skill you use in pve, not pvp, nobody's going to die to your sucky sword damage. And you're still missing a stun with swords.

First of all as the topic opener stated we are comparing pure pole/axe or fist bms. Not multi weapon users.

I know what sage farstrike does. But i compared it to other weapons, and if i want to spike, i will use axes. I can combine with HF, i can use sage aelian or highland or whatever, and be able to deal far better spikes. The only reasons u should use poles for are range and purge. In every other aspwect u can outdo poles with an other weapont ype.

U are wrong. Swords are interval based weapons just as fists. U get fairly lower dps, but the ability to use atmos(relative smaller spike, but still hits harder than u could hit with fists, ever) and MSS. and MSS is one of the hardest hitting skills in game. like 4th or 5th. if u dont believe i wont explain.

I am not saying swords are the best. But if i had to pick either sword or pole as solo weapon, i would pick sword.

Also u can check in my guide, i stated sword as the only weapon path a bm may skip. But denying the usefulness of MSS in pvp is dumb.

how funny.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Fists are good with -interval items even to sages.

Fists are good with spark too, I don't have intervals and its awesome when I crit a lot

Swords are only good for myriad sword stance.
Swords are good for lowering DPS, and the 2 attack skills are similar to pole which is very useful

Polearms are good to PK runners. Some claim they're also good for rebirth.
Poles are good in AOE mainly for melee mobs, and great range as well

Dual axes are the best for skills.
Axes are best for AOEs and chain stun

Hippie - Harshlands wrote: »

no spike, no dps, no stun.

Lol at your quote, don't have aeleon blade or roar of the pride? b:laugh

No spike or dps? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=494vFYZ8C8M LOL and thats only the beginning

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm confused by your post. Are you saying spears don't have spike, dps, stun?

Lol, an this is coming from a LVL100 BM on a PK server b:chuckle. This BM is full of fail

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lol, an this is coming from a LVL100 BM on a PK server b:chuckle. This BM is full of fail

You're really the last one on this forum that should be calling anyone fail... except for maybe LifeHunting.

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lol at your quote, don't have aeleon blade or roar of the pride? b:laugh

No spike or dps? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=494vFYZ8C8M LOL and thats only the beginning



Lol, an this is coming from a LVL100 BM on a PK server b:chuckle. This BM is full of fail

Now, I don't know the stats of this formidable level 1 wooden stake, but I deal twice as much damage to mobs/bosses my level unsparked with fists. Even if it's going to stand there for awhile, why not use Dragon's Bane before the spark and CH?

Guess I dunno what that video's trying to say... b:surrender

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lol at your quote, don't have aeleon blade or roar of the pride? b:laugh

No spike or dps? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=494vFYZ8C8M LOL and thats only the beginning



Lol, an this is coming from a LVL100 BM on a PK server b:chuckle. This BM is full of fail

thats not even real PW, its a shameless regurgitated video people love to post over and over.

they were mentioning spears in particular, wth does aeolian blade and roar have anything to do with them? when you finally get a character over 60, you are allowed to post real speculative analysis.

back on real topic.

spear is lovely to have in PK for runners, i also find the bleed moves to be particularly useful for little extra damage after a charm is set off to finalise kills on my noob on LC. at your level, theres also that TT99 purge spear that can come in handy on those stupid cash mages with ridiculous pdef. (especially stacked with some interval gear, this is an incredibly potential damage dealer.)

as far as fights vs sword BMs go, i havent lost to a single one yet... swords are just jokes. stick to pole/axe or fist/axe or all three for F-s sake.

fists are pretty expensive to pull off as a sage, requiring at least 2x LA pieces, nirvana pants, 2x HA pieces, lunar cape, level 7 tome, and an interval fist or claw to reach a perma sparking ability. i wouldnt really go for them unless you have these/have $ for them.

this is just coming from a noob alt's perspective.

@ yulk, look up EFG, his name is synonymous with yours.

Hippie - Harshlands wrote: »

no spike, no dps, no stun.

any more questions?

sword can be utilised well in 1v1 fights, even if it isnt the best. spears cant be used as solo weapon efficiently.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm confused by your post. Are you saying spears don't have spike, dps, stun?

Hippie - Harshlands wrote: »

Compared to other weapons.



First of all as the topic opener stated we are comparing pure pole/axe or fist bms. Not multi weapon users.

I know what sage farstrike does. But i compared it to other weapons, and if i want to spike, i will use axes. I can combine with HF, i can use sage aelian or highland or whatever, and be able to deal far better spikes. The only reasons u should use poles for are range and purge. In every other aspwect u can outdo poles with an other weapon type.

U are wrong. Swords are interval based weapons just as fists. U get fairly lower dps, but the ability to use atmos(relative smaller spike, but still hits harder than u could hit with fists, ever) and MSS. and MSS is one of the hardest hitting skills in game. like 4th or 5th. if u dont believe i wont explain.

I am not saying swords are the best. But if i had to pick either sword or pole as solo weapon, i would pick sword.

Also u can check in my guide, i stated sword as the only weapon path a bm may skip. But denying the usefulness of MSS in pvp is dumb.

how funny.

Okay well, still trying to understand your logic.

Where axes came into the conversation I'm still trying to grasp.

The fact you say spears have no spike/dps/stuns compared to other weapons...seems just wrong. The only weapon that has more spike/stuns is axes. Which isn't even a part of the conversation...wait...you brought it up...but its not something the OP is considering...so I won't talk about it.

Okay skill comparison, atmos, nice sword skill hits hard...wait...spear has meteor rush and if your looking to use that push back skill...hmm...its and AoE so, well its better maybe b:victory...

Next spirit chaser vs farstrike......do i need to really say anything....b:shutup

both 1 spark skills for each tree kinda of lack IMO.b:cry

Ulti's, well. Depends on other factors. But if you have no way to increase party damage (no HF) then the spear ulti seems nice. I am a fan of MSS. So, I will never say don't get it. Highest damaging skill a BM has till 100...b:pleased

As for general skills sage aeolion blade would be better with pole then sword....I'm assuming your talking about single blades...since your talking about it being an interval based weapon. (If dual wielding blades then well that's more a skill based weapon like axes and spears will out DPS those)

So what we have in actuality; Spear does what Sword does better, better range skill, better push back. Higher spike damage. Same access to general skill tree stuns.

Only arguable skill IMO is ulti's.

Although a continuous look at the full mechanics of single blades compared to dual blades could be done. But I'm not going to exemplify anymore. I'll just use what you posted.

Spear is better then single blade for skills.

I use all three of these weapons, and 2 sets of armors.

Waste of money? Like I care b:laugh


I have yet to find a useless weapon and no, don't believe "this weapon terrible, blah blah" I use all weapons equally. And mostly heavy armor, I carry light armor STRICTLY for pure magic attacks. I just happen to buy / make them all, I don't really need axes for this toon, axes are for barbs GG.

Edit: I use fists for dps / aggro tool, swords for lowering dps, right now it works perfectly fine for dps, and poles for reaching

39 and 49 sword / pole skills are basically the same right? exact, thats 3 TOTAL ranged attacks which is supreme for kiters. and 2 knockbacks, your kidding me, 2 KNOCKBACKS, and what happens you can't knockback all at once without cutting chances of survival?

Mage bane have great uses, especially in boss fights, you can't STUN BOSSES with axes, making drake's bash completely useless against bosses no? Pure caster or if a caster class tanking a semi magic boss, mage bane saves time. I am leveling it, don't care. Swords have great assistance in helping the tanker in PVE and I know for sure in PVP. Sure the tank or yourself still might get hit, but you can swap to fist and use shadowless kick which is not fast enough to cancel every magic attack from a semi magic boss or mob, you never know you CAN cancel every attack with that combo.

I got my sawtooth blades with stun additional waiting to be used, and my annihilator of souls b:bye