Now I figure out why people say archers suck... -_-"

What did you expect?

To just stand there while a ranged poison mobs stacks you to dead and walk away with it?

Meanpie - Lost City wrote: »

First off when people say archers on PWI are terrible they mean at PvP at lvl 95+. I'm sorry but if you can't kill 95% of mobs your level using the Frost Arrow> Normal> Normal> Knockback> Normals to finish combo without taking a single hit from the mob you are doing something wrong. Are your passive skills maxed? Are you pure dex? Do you have at least a semi- descent bow for your level?

Don't forget, "Are you starting your attacks from maximum range?" I'm always amazed how many of the people who die a lot or who spam skills don't think of this.

Elenacostel wrote:

You are a human being, which means you should be able to adapt of a combo does not work for you on a particular mob.

+1

The combo I use on grinding/KQs is Take Aim - Normals x2-3 (based on various factors, such as what wep I'm using at the moment) - Stun - Knockback - Frost or Aim Low - Normals till dead.

I'm not sure why PVE Archers are so afraid to burn a little mana. The occasional Jade Powder keeps me covered using the above combo. *shrug*

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm not sure why PVE Archers are so afraid to burn a little mana. The occasional Jade Powder keeps me covered using the above combo. *shrug*

Why burn mana if you don't have to? The thing is, if burning mana results in either a significantly faster or a significantly safer kill, that's great. Only, most of the time the standard frost -> normals -> knockback -> normals kills just as fast if not faster, with minimal damage taken.

Just as an example, if I go grind on fish, maybe 90% of the time I don't even use a single skill. Tab -> autoattack -> repeat. Triple sparking is enough to recover the bit of HP I lose when I occasionally do get hit, as well as deal with any increased life or defense.

Anyway, I suspect your problem is an overwhelming amount of fail. I believe most guides assume you're able to do some thinking on your own, and to learn from your own experience. Also, I believe it's been said multiple times that archers become better PvE the higher level they are. You, on the other hand, in 9 months, apparently have not gotten a character past 60.

You mention Araneid Webmasters. Those have 4644 HP, with a Physical Defense reduction of ~33%, if PWDatabase is correct. A level 35 Pure Dex archer using the Trial Crossbow will deal an average of around 450 damage per shot to it. So, 10 shots to kill the Webmaster. Are you seriously telling me that you can't survive for 16 seconds, 3 or 4 seconds of which the mob is still walking into attack range?

you stated that you aren't trying to spend too much on equipment. that's understandable. but what i don't understand is why are you using grade 4 ammo for PvE? unless you're using only the ones that you have gotten from quests, bhs, fbs, then you are wasting money. Every archer i know uses grade 1 for PvE and only use higher grades for PvP/TW.

Heartstone - Dreamweaver wrote: »

there are times you wish: there was a blacklist for the forum.

like seriously we need one lol. to filter out certain's people topics / posts.

- Click on the name of the individual you want to blacklist. This should bring you to the profile.
- Look for the "User Lists" drop down menu. It's 2 lines below the name of the user. Click on it.
- Click the "Add to Ignore List" option.

It doesn't always work. There are some individuals that I cannot blacklist, for some reason.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

- Click on the name of the individual you want to blacklist. This should bring you to the profile.
- Look for the "User Lists" drop down menu. It's 2 lines below the name of the user. Click on it.
- Click the "Add to Ignore List" option.

It doesn't always work. There are some individuals that I cannot blacklist, for some reason.

oh really. i'm fail now. never saw that option. ty

edit: still see yulk's posts. maybe cos i posted in the thread / ? dunno.

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yeah, used to be pure DEX at first, then heavy armored, then back to pure DEX again.

so your warrior uses light armor...and your ea used to be heavy...really wtf

and btw the combo worked for me just fine and i got up to 6x before i quit pwi, all i ever used was npc armor and bow without even refines or shards. the combo itself doesn't fail, you do. some1 stated this before me and i agree 100%

Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:laugh I think you all got trolled. I'm sure no one is that stupid.

I remember when I still had faith in human intelligence as well. Such bright and cheery days those were. b:sad

On topic: The only time my archer ever died before I stopped playing her was before I had knockback and I'm far from 'pro' at the game.

Frost > normal > normal > knockback > normal until dead works for the majority of the players who use it.

Anchali - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the first time i died was at lvl 40 or 50 something. like, you HAD to die in order to get the spirit! it required death -_- ... so yah. dont know what your doing wrong. something is wrong with you or your toon is not build right.

i die too often QQ. mostly because of random ****, i.e. sacrificial assault mob spawning right behind me after i finish off 2 mobs at once. It happens disturbingly often, probably because of tab targetting and awful luck.

have to remember, the op is just an all around amateur at everything he does. none of his characters are 60+ from what im aware.

point and case, this combo -does- work, but if it doesnt for you, its your own damn fault for following a guide word for word instead of using it as a baseline. you have a brain, make your own efficient combos, not like your barbs 200+ mp per one mob combos that just waste mp.

if you find a bow too slow, use a slingshot, hell with a cross bow i kill mobs with just demon frost. my stun and knockback are only for emergencies :P.

I_Snipe - Lost City wrote: »

I never did follow the "mob attack" guide. There's too many variations out there.

Mainly I just Stun Lock as long as i can from the start. [I don't use Frost anymore]

As for knocking back melee mobs, I found a nice combo that works. Wingspan and then Knockback. This will effectively knockback the mob 18~21m depending on your level of Wingspan.

Winged Shell is good to use if you cast it before you attack. I also use it outside of battle to regain MP.

Life and Focus Powers are your best friend.

lol same i stopped using frost a while ago

ur just a nub, archers pwn if u kno how to play em

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I believe the frost knockback and whatever is mainly for melee mobs.For ranged mobs,it's better to use stunning or aim low if possible.

I actually stuck to this combo for most of my archer life and it worked well.(though i spent a **** load of time farming apoc pots)
Take Aim->Normal atk till it is in its attacking range->Knockback/Stun->Normal atk

knockback breaks channeling(NOT CAST) time it right and its cheapest way to fight mag mobs
(IE normal atks till its getting into(its atk) range, time knockback, normal attacks)
this all depends on if you have enough attack power to kill the mob in time, choose your mob enemies wisely as the other guide says(also why too much vit early on makes your life harder)

aim low is a freeze, it effects movement only
stunning arrow actually stuns, they cant attack (sometimes there will be a small lag so an attack will still cast by the enemy right as stun starts)