"1 client per computer" rule

LTraveller - Dreamweaver
LTraveller - Dreamweaver Posts: 55 Arc User
edited April 2010 in General Discussion
According to http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=701412 , you're allowed to have an army of catshops or your own personal cleric -- but only if every instance of game client runs on separate computer, even though technically you can run them all on same machine just fine.

Makes no sense to me. Can anyone please explain the rationale behind that rule?
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  • Bellatriix - Archosaur
    Bellatriix - Archosaur Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It's apparently because you need to use a third-party program, edit the game files, or something to run a second client on your computer.

    ..which is utter bs, you don't need any of that. ~_~
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  • Dustins_ALT - Harshlands
    Dustins_ALT - Harshlands Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ^Yes you do^
    and no I haven't tried it.
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  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    b:surrender no you don't there are things that work on other versions of PW why wouldn't they work on this one? b:kiss And sorry I am not in the business of telling what such programs are suffice it to say they exist.
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  • XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver Posts: 505 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    There's actuallly one way of doing it without 3rd party programs or editing game files, but it's still running 2 clients on the same computer, therefore bannable. Not sure I can say how though without risking my account... but yeah, it's possible.
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  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    There's actuallly one way of doing it without 3rd party programs or editing game files, but it's still running 2 clients on the same computer, therefore bannable. Not sure I can say how though without risking my account... but yeah, it's possible.

    Agreed, there is a way you can run 2 clients without editing anything.
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  • konariraiden
    konariraiden Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    No matter what the method used, PWI has stated that running two clients on the same computer is against their Terms of Service. As to why, I don't know; but sometimes it's better not to question the powers-that-be...otherwise Cow-thulu might end up paying a visit to your house...

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  • Bellatriix - Archosaur
    Bellatriix - Archosaur Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Usually, if something's bannable, there's a reason for it. b:lipcurl The least the GMs could do is give a half-assed explanation as to why it is bannable, but I've never seen such.
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  • _Rosaly_ - Lost City
    _Rosaly_ - Lost City Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Sometimes, disclosing reasons behind the rules teaches people how to avoid getting caught. Curiosity killed the cat.
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  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Because it's a completely reasonable compromise solution to a potentially economy-breaking problem?

    They have to draw some sort of line somewhere, and the "1 client per physical computer" is an easy and clear line.

    And sheesh, my "army" of cat-shops (which I don't usually bother with, btw) runs on a couple of 8-year-old $30 junk laptops . It's not like you need any sort of processing power to run a cat-shop.
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  • Kyaan - Dreamweaver
    Kyaan - Dreamweaver Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Wut ive heard around is the g.ms ban people using 3rd party programs to multi client/using more then one client on the pc or laptop is cheating.

    Some reasons as I can name are

    TW: Dual clienting more players for war so that your guild has to upper advantage of more players.

    HH: Dualing client a full HH party to farm for yourself and gain cash like mad.

    there are other reasons too that could be "cheating" for multi clienting
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  • LTraveller - Dreamweaver
    LTraveller - Dreamweaver Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Because it's a completely reasonable compromise solution to a potentially economy-breaking problem?
    They have to draw some sort of line somewhere, and the "1 client per physical computer" is an easy and clear line.

    But if multiclienting is potentially economy-breaking, why didn't they disallow all forms of it instead?
    Kyaan - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Wut ive heard around is the g.ms ban people using 3rd party programs to multi client/using more then one client on the pc or laptop is cheating.
    Some reasons as I can name are...

    But doing that is apparently okay, if you use 2+ computers.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    LTraveller - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    But if multiclienting is potentially economy-breaking, why didn't they disallow all forms of it instead?



    But doing all that is apparently okay, if you use 2+ computers.

    How they are going to check it? With IPs? What if my brother plays the same game too?
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  • Starchief - Sanctuary
    Starchief - Sanctuary Posts: 606 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    One of the reason could be server load, traffic from a single machine running multiple clients is significantly higher then traffic of separate machines...wait I just realized that wouldn't make sense because theyd be using the same method of internet access no matter if it's one or many, nvm, carry on >.>
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  • LTraveller - Dreamweaver
    LTraveller - Dreamweaver Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    How they are going to check it? With IPs? What if my brother plays the same game too?

    Yes, the rule can't be enforced. Another reason to ask why it's still in place.
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  • Foxx - Heavens Tear
    Foxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Dustins_ALT - Harshlands wrote: »
    ^Yes you do^

    You dont need special programs, and dont tell us what we cant do just because you are unable to figure it out.
    Vanilla copy of windows with just PW installed and using standard everyday windows features and running the launcher as we are meant to do and you're good to go.

    There is absolutely no functional difference between that and having 2 pc's except its much easier with 2 pc's to switch between the two. Maybe they have shares in the electricity company and want us all to waste power.
  • Foxx - Heavens Tear
    Foxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Also unless the pw client is sending back private data about your machine, then its impossible to tell whether its 2 clients running on 1 machine, or just 2 machines behind a router.
  • gejiomoo
    gejiomoo Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    and there is a lot more than plain IP below the surface of network traffic.
  • XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary Posts: 683 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    KonariRaiden wrote: »
    No matter what the method used, PWI has stated that running two clients on the same computer is against their Terms of Service. As to why, I don't know; but sometimes it's better not to question the powers-that-be...otherwise Cow-thulu might end up paying a visit to your house...

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  • MsEvilness - Heavens Tear
    MsEvilness - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,861 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »
    how did a troll become mod? b:chuckle

    so he can't troll anymore,,, smart move by pwi!
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  • Mahngiel - Sanctuary
    Mahngiel - Sanctuary Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It's called a VirtualBox. Sun, Inc. has freeware that allows you to run 'virtual' operating systems on your computer. My PC is Linux native, so i must VB a copy (yes, it's purchased) of Windows to run PWI - it also allows me to test distros without compromise to my computer, and run windows without worry of viruses ruining my HDD.

    Had one the sufficient RAM and desire, you could run an infinite amount of VBs and pw clients so long as you had the accounts.

    On the point of Catshops and the economy... I used to be against them, but as time went on I had a change of heart. For a solid example, look at the new server, with no shops in archo, there's no trade and no sustainable monetary level. Catshops and the AH give gold and items their worth.
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  • ACLucius - Archosaur
    ACLucius - Archosaur Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    MsEvilness - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    so he can't troll anymore,,, smart move by pwi!

    You, my dear miss, are a genius! b:victory
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  • Alliptica - Raging Tide
    Alliptica - Raging Tide Posts: 1,545 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kyaan - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Wut ive heard around is the g.ms ban people using 3rd party programs to multi client/using more then one client on the pc or laptop is cheating.

    Some reasons as I can name are

    TW: Dual clienting more players for war so that your guild has to upper advantage of more players.

    HH: Dualing client a full HH party to farm for yourself and gain cash like mad.

    there are other reasons too that could be "cheating" for multi clienting

    well if thats cheating, then i say the ppl who run full instances with multiple computers are cheating too!

    i reported someone for multiclienting once and the gms had absolutely no way to tell for sure so they kept asking me questions...
    -retired-

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  • Candie - Raging Tide
    Candie - Raging Tide Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    *remembers her days in Eve-online . 3 clients with 3 characters at once , two are doing missions , one is mining ... *
  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kind of obvious...

    If multi-clienting on 1 PC was allowed everyone and their grandmother would have 30+ instances of PWI running at the same time; it would be unplayable.

    Allowing 1 client per PC is OK because not only do most people have just 1 PC at home (creates a "limit"), but also because many siblings and couples (etc) like to play the game together - therefore banning more than 1 PW client per IP would be like PWI shooting itself in the foot.

    Sure people with multiple PCs get an advantage in pretty much everything, but so do people who dump $5K into the game.

    Live with it.
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  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    axt57 wrote: »
    Kind of obvious...

    If multi-clienting on 1 PC was allowed everyone and their grandmother would have 30+ instances of PWI running at the same time; it would be unplayable.
    Yeah, I think what the people who don't understand the rule lack is imagination.

    They're thinking in terms of 2 or 3 clients and can't understand why that would be a bad thing. Meanwhile, I'd be thinking in terms of 20-40 clients and completely flooding the server with cat-shops in order to bury all competition.

    Can you imagine if just 5 people decided they were going to do this? You think West Archo is bad now? b:chuckle
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  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    "search" would have turned up about 600 threads about this.

    Here's one: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=576032
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