PWI money complain!!

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  • PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear
    PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    So how else can they make there money?

    A set monthly membership fee and everything, that is EVERYTHING, is obtainable in-game.

    I pay 12.95 per month for another mmo. The software has to be bought, expansions and add-ons have to be bought, but those only come out every so often (only 4 expansions since 2002).

    I've seen posts on these forums by people complaining/bragging that they have paid 100's in a single month for PWI. Even the occasional addict that has gone up to 1000+ spent in a month.

    Being F2P is not a bad thing, as long as the game remains balanced for the non-cash shoppers and cash shoppers alike. PWI is anything but balanced. Cash shop should be purely optional items such as fashion and land mounts, etc. PWE has given cash shoppers an extremely unfair advantage over the non-cash shoppers. That's not right.

    I said this on another forum; unless non-cash shoppers (including myself) can manage to make enough coins to keep up with the cash shoppers through AH or cat shops, their characters will never be anything but mediocre. Just like mine and that is why I am currently on break from PWI, with no idea, if ever, when I will be back. I keep my software updated and log in once in a while for just a few minutes, and that's it. I haven't lost all hope in PWE... YET! *emphasis on yet*
    There's no such thing as a "Perfect World" full of Jade, diamonds, gold, and other riches and treasures. There is only an imperfect world, with an imperfect society, full of imperfect people, with imperfect idea's about how to be perfectly rich and perfectly perfect. No one cares about being perfectly kind, perfectly fair, or perfectly content.
    It's a perfectly sad world.
  • Geijutsuka - Lost City
    Geijutsuka - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I gauss ppl tat R n IT dint nad pwoper gamir >.>

    As far as PWI generating income, they have ads on various sites, the company can also co/develop for another company, Servers these days don't Cost as much as older servers using outdated hardware.

    also check this link for Fun Facts of the company. maybe if you did your own research you would better educate yourself.

    http://www.pwrd.com/html/en/images/factsheet.pdf
  • Della_Brown - Heavens Tear
    Della_Brown - Heavens Tear Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    For those of you complaining that the "economy is ruined" because of the high price of gold, you do know that it is the f2p folks that set the exchange rate, don't you? As a CSer, I can ask for 500k per gold all I like, but if nobody buys, then I loose out on a listing fee of 2% and have to try again. The reason gold "goes through the roof" is because f2p folks really really want something new in the Boutique. I watch gold prices on Sanctuary on a daily basis and I can tell you it was not Tiger Packs that sent prices over 450k... it was the introdution of the Pearl Blossom Fashion--that's right... fashion, not packs (although packs did move the price from 320k to 370k, it's nothing compared to the jump up to 430-450k when Pearl Blossom came out). CSers can just buy that directly with gold bought with Zen... f2p folks suddenly wanted gold really badly to get that fashion and drove the exhcange rate up.

    Don't blame the CSers or PWE for high gold prices... if the price goes up, it's because the f2p crowd really loves the newest Boutique items (and that should be counted as a success for PWE--if the price of gold is flat or declines, it means the f2p crowd doesn't want it and the devs "had a bad idea").
    I thought that fashion was just introduced...?

    Over on HT, the gold prices rocketed up when the anniversary packs came out, started to go back down, and have stayed up, as the perma-pack status has remained.

    Fashion, mounts, even number of active players at the time, will increase prices. The problem with the packs make it so that it's less desirable for the gold to ever get to the AH. FI, there was a similar jump when that fashion came out. However, that only explains that one rise, which is already falling on HT. It does not explain the gold not going back to <200k levels.
    "adults on HT is an ancient myth used to scare away the kids from stealing their parents credit cards D:" - Santacruz
  • Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary
    Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Fashion, mounts, even number of active players at the time, will increase prices. The problem with the packs make it so that it's less desirable for the gold to ever get to the AH. FI, there was a similar jump when that fashion came out. However, that only explains that one rise, which is already falling on HT. It does not explain the gold not going back to <200k levels.
    Isn't that 200k mark you're talking about due to the Chest of Coins which gives 1,000,000 coin if you buy a Perfect Iron Hammer for 5 gold... 1,000,000 coin / 5 gold = 200,000 coin. If gold ever went below 200k then you could MAKE money by buying Perfect Iron Hammers and opening all those Chest of Coins you get for free from Frost Covered City runs. Make sense why it will never go below 200k as long as Hammers are priced at 5 gold and Chest of Coins is still in the game in large quantities?
  • Alliptica - Raging Tide
    Alliptica - Raging Tide Posts: 1,545 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    yeah but when ppl feel forced to spend money just so they can get their TTwep, then you know something is wrong.

    and lol i couldnt help but get distracted by your name o.o
    -retired-

    now playing megaten and...Forsaken World ;)
  • Della_Brown - Heavens Tear
    Della_Brown - Heavens Tear Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Isn't that 200k mark you're talking about due to the Chest of Coins which gives 1,000,000 coin if you buy a Perfect Iron Hammer for 5 gold...
    No, but that is a current cause. That mark is one I chose at the time as one did not see breached before the anni packs.
    1,000,000 coin / 5 gold = 200,000 coin. If gold ever went below 200k then you could MAKE money by buying Perfect Iron Hammers and opening all those Chest of Coins you get for free from Frost Covered City runs. Make sense why it will never go below 200k as long as Hammers are priced at 5 gold and Chest of Coins is still in the game in large quantities?
    Yes. So we now have 400k gold, making the Hammers a bad way to get coin...yet people still seem to do it, offering one more way to not get the gold being traded at the AH, which was a major part of my thesis from the start. At, say, 250k coin, instead, the hammers would be less efficient than gold trading, and gold hasn't been anywhere near that low in some time, either.
    "adults on HT is an ancient myth used to scare away the kids from stealing their parents credit cards D:" - Santacruz
  • Xerafin - Heavens Tear
    Xerafin - Heavens Tear Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    look here: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:PWRD

    look on 'News' and then you will know the truth.
  • Psudeotrophe - Dreamweaver
    Psudeotrophe - Dreamweaver Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    yeah but when ppl feel forced to spend money just so they can get their TTwep, then you know something is wrong.

    No one's holding a gun to your head making you buy a TT weapon. Its a game, and if you feel that way, you shouldn't play it. I fail to see how a game can force anything on you. If people don't like you being charmless, or under-geared well they have to deal with it, or help you. If they're unwilling to help, then ****'em.

    I dont see how PWI is off balanced, being as everything obtainable in cash shop is obtainable in game, The only off balancing thing that is in the game is the Event capes and tomes, but they're slowly being added into game, all the brimstone capes are in game, the eden capes, even the - int Hallucinatory cape, is IN GAME now, and obtainable if your willing to work at it. The ONLY, ONLY cape that is unobtainable as of right now, is the Wings of Cloudcharger.

    Boots of Heaven's Rage, are obtainable, The helm of Holy Punishment, is obtainable. Lunar, TT, Nirvana, all these gears, are obtainable and something that people should, if they enjoy the game, be willing to work for, not Scoff at the fact that some people cheated their way into them. I've seen far worse marketing in other games, where you buy something from a cash boutique and you only Rent it for a week or less, and these items are items familiar to TT90 armor. The only thing they have timers on are the emotes. I've also seen games where they perma-ban people for selling fashion to other players. Also where fashion adds stats. Pwi doesn't have an off balancing system that gives cash shoppers a huge advantage, simply a short cut, to do what everyone else is capable of.

    Growing 5 different toons into the high 80's and beyond has given me good perspective and knowledge of this game. If you're hell bent on mass-leveling, then you get the shaft because you didn't set aside time in your busy mad dash to gather coin, mats needed for armor, then you only have yourself to blame. Don't blame a game that allows you to buy cash shop items, with in game money. Blame the people who set the prices for the insane amounts of gold it is set at. Blame the other players for the way the in game's economy is now.


    If that pisses you off:

    Stop Letting the cash shoppers control everything. They want your coin moreso than you want their gold

    the most important thing I can say here, is if you feel like blaming someone for your mad dash to power, without saving money to actually be prepared to get into the high levels, Blame yourself, for being ignorant to the price of things.

    Because most of the people who complain, are the ones who spend their in game coin on charms, or overpriced wine. Or they're the people who Spend their allowance on cash shop items that sell for 25% less in coin than they're worth. Or my favorite, the People who go PK mode on a PvE server and expect not to get ganked by higher level players, then they say goodbye to their charm, goodbye to their gear if they didnt lock it, goodbye to whatever they were doing. People like these don't actually take the time to enjoy the game. They get caught up in the rat races of this game, trying to out do everyone else. This game is about working as a group, strengthening a whole, developing into a stronger cell of people, then meeting head on.


    My favorite thing about people who Complain about cash shoppers in this game are also the ones who wont take hercless/phoenixless venos anywhere.


    I will admit I have spent money in game, but nothing monstrous, and also nothing that I have bought did I purchase to give to anyone else outside of my friends. But nothing I "need" was ever purchased, fashion, mounts, dyes. Thats it. If you feel the need to buy and buy and buy, to sustain your character, then you likely shouldn't be playing that character, because the only way you can overcome that classes weaknesses is by slapping on a charm and going to getting a Leroy Jenkins complex.



    To all you people who whine about this, tell it to someone who cares. Get over yourself, and stop complaining, its a game for Christ sakes, if you can't enjoy a game, without whining, stop playing it.

    If you think Pwi has a huge cash shop advantage, heres a few things that other "Free to play games offer:

    Cant go to most of the map without paying for it.

    Cant get end game content without paying for it.

    Cant get past level 30 without paying for it.

    Pay to play additonal classes after the starter 4.

    Cant do hardly anything without serious cash. Everything is traded in real life money.

    Can only be one class and have one character before purchasing.

    In game boutique that if items are traded from cash shop, instant perma ban for both players. Items include Capes, Armors weapons, and refining aids. There is no way to refine in this game without the use of cash shop items, and if you try the armor breaks permanently.
    Costumes add to accuracy and power of attacks can be rented in boutique.

    Renting Characters for 7 days.

    Renting weapons and gear for a matter of hours.

    healing potions only acquirable via cash shop, costumes adding additional skills to a player.

    Skills only acquirable via cash shop.



    Pwi like any MMO should be looked at as a hobby, and enjoyed as such. If you're not enjoying your hobby, seek a better one.



    In closing i think the GM's are doing a great job keeping this game where it should be, Free with an option to pay for a shortcut, not an advantage.
    Apparently its more difficult to milk a smurf than originally conceived..
  • oxytorch
    oxytorch Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ive said this b4 , High gold in AH is due to stupid kids and/ or **** adults that do not realize you DO NOT NEED TO BID HIGHER then the highest bid to get gold . You can bid what someone else has , you will get your gold in turn. The high prices are due to idiots out bidding each other, when there is no need to. Follow this and gold WILL fall .
    b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry We love this game STOP RUINING IT !! b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry

    "Sometimes the strongest are the ones that walk away . Enough is Enough ".
  • TasteMe - Lost City
    TasteMe - Lost City Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    and yes i have played other F2P games that have this type of problem in, Try playing Utophia universe.. NOW THAT is one big fat riduculas game. you HAVE to pay to play.. otherwise it will take WEEKS to get 1k and guns cost like 5k lol
    so yea.. and second life is good, but you get freebiesb:victory so its not all pay buy pay.
    iv played Rune-Scape ages ago, i payed monthly for that/ stupid idea i know.
    but look at the game now with all its money, its gone 3D - slightly.b:cute money makes a HELL of a difference even if there getting over the amount there supposed to get, its a cruel world but its going to still happen.

    The question still stands of will pwi take it too far?

    there has to be some good explination, maybe there planning something BIG with the money? there has to be some reason why there money draining.
  • Ilwyn_ - Dreamweaver
    Ilwyn_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 432 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I think you are missing people's complaint. It is not the fact that they make money. Not at all. It's that the money making is more important than making a quality game and pleasing the players. PW used to do that.

    Agreed. Especially about the quality. This is the most beautiful free game I've ever seen, and when I found it and looked at the screenshots I stuck around for another ten minutes looking for something that said 'free trial' or 'monthly fee'. Granted, they did a great job with nearly everything.

    Only thing is, the management sucks. If your gold doesn't come through, no refund? They give us all this fashion, but they can't fix the bugs in the dungeons? What about the Seamstress's ruined face? Seriously, fix that. It's creeping me out. b:shocked

    Honestly, I'm not that much of a cash shopper. If I see a piece of fash I want, I save up and get a game card later. I'm not going to bother gambling on the corals or the tiger packs.