PWI money complain!!
TasteMe - Lost City
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Ok, first of all i am posting this in responce to all those who have a problem with perfect words way of making money - for example new fashion, tiger packs, new mounts etc.
Just to give you all an insight, iv been in IT for over a year and it is VERY expensive to host a game online, and to keep servers up and running. not only that but the company of PWI owns several other games, so the cost of all those together will costs a bomb.
So how else can they make there money?
i know we all hate expensive things but theres a reason behind it.
if theres no items to buy with real money in boutique - no free to play PWI because they wont be able to afford to keep it free.
Im just saying. try to understand more people b:victoryb:pleased
Just to give you all an insight, iv been in IT for over a year and it is VERY expensive to host a game online, and to keep servers up and running. not only that but the company of PWI owns several other games, so the cost of all those together will costs a bomb.
So how else can they make there money?
i know we all hate expensive things but theres a reason behind it.
if theres no items to buy with real money in boutique - no free to play PWI because they wont be able to afford to keep it free.
Im just saying. try to understand more people b:victoryb:pleased
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I've worked IT as well and they ran servers just fine without packs.
They're just maximising their profit margin with little regard for the result on the game.Bladestorm lets you spin around like a carnival ride and do damage. Not using it is almost like having a move called Confetti Rocket Power Leap and saving it for "emergencies"
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And the other versions of PW seem to do just fine with gold prices being 3 times as low.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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I think you are missing people's complaint. It is not the fact that they make money. Not at all. It's that the money making is more important than making a quality game and pleasing the players. PW used to do that.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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+1 to everyone in this thread so far (kinda including the OP, kinda not :P).
In addition to all that... did PWI need the packs to survive? I think not. If the marketing department came in here and told us "we needed them, we're sorry we had to **** over the gold market in the process, it's the only way the game could survive..." I could almost respect that.
But no. We get nothing. Nothing except the occasional GM whose job it is to tell us "we care / we wish we could do something about it."
A little transparency would be nice, PWE. >_>
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Estuary - Heavens Tear wrote: »I think you are missing people's complaint. It is not the fact that they make money. Not at all. It's that the money making is more important than making a quality game and pleasing the players. PW used to do that.
+1.Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »And the other versions of PW seem to do just fine with gold prices being 3 times as low.
+1.Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »I've worked IT as well and they ran servers just fine without packs.
They're just maximising their profit margin with little regard for the result on the game.
+1.
People aren't angry that PW is making money from us, people are annoyed that in their desperation to make even more money they are ruining the game. The Dev's dont care, the fat man at the top doesn't care and really aren't going to start unless they stopped making money. The only people who care are the players (overly greedy players ignored) and the GM's, alot of people rage at the GM's but at the end of the day they cant do more than they are employed to do.Executor Of Reunited ~ Level 3 ~ Level 85+ ~ No Drama, No Pressure Faction.
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But you see it still costs them something to run the game, so basically its either make it free to play with little bits of income here and there for pwi, or pay monthly..which i think would be more of a pain in the **** considering the quality of the game is fantastic, so im just glad its free. and personaly the game is perfectly fine quality wise, yes pwi need more things to make the game that BIT interesting, but im sure there working on it. Pluss if they make the game any more high detailed there will be absalutly TONS of lag, and that may cause some players to leave and play another game.
I say, be glad its free and keep in mind the money is to keep it online.
also suggest things you want in game, get a vote on it, suggest a new item vote poll to the GMs to make so they know what ALL players preffer.
Im not saying people thinking pwi going too far with money is totaly a rediculas comment, because i myself don't have a job yet. so i cant afford to buy anything, so i just grind money and buy the boutique item from someone in catshop. you either have a choice to be a freebie or a moneyspender. no one is forcing anyone to buy things with real money.
Personaly if everyone proffers quality of gameplay and the games questing systems etc.. then they should suggest it in the suggestion section of the forum b:surrenderb:cute
but thats just my point b:victory not saying anyone is wrong hereb:shocked0 -
TasteMe - Lost City wrote: »also suggest things you want in game, get a vote on it, suggest a new item vote poll to the GMs to make so they know what ALL players preffer.
We did. It doesn't work.0 -
TasteMe - Lost City wrote: »But you see it still costs them something to run the game, so basically its either make it free to play with little bits of income here and there for pwi, or pay monthly..which i think would be more of a pain in the **** considering the quality of the game is fantastic, so im just glad its free. and personaly the game is perfectly fine quality wise, yes pwi need more things to make the game that BIT interesting, but im sure there working on it. Pluss if they make the game any more high detailed there will be absalutly TONS of lag, and that may cause some players to leave and play another game.
I say, be glad its free and keep in mind the money is to keep it online.
Free to play, pay to stand a chance with gear at higher levels.
also suggest things you want in game, get a vote on it, suggest a new item vote poll to the GMs to make so they know what ALL players preffer.
The Dev's make the new items not GM's, GM's just give them feedback which is ignored.
Im not saying people thinking pwi going too far with money is totaly a rediculas comment, because i myself don't have a job yet. so i cant afford to buy anything, so i just grind money and buy the boutique item from someone in catshop. you either have a choice to be a freebie or a moneyspender. no one is forcing anyone to buy things with real money.
That is fine now but as you get higher levels and you need your new armour, weapons, ornaments good lucking grinding the money for them. The standard of gear is now alot higher and unless you charge zen it is incredibly hard to meet the standard.
Personaly if everyone proffers quality of gameplay and the games questing systems etc.. then they should suggest it in the suggestion section of the forum b:surrenderb:cute
No body ever goes to the suggestion forum, its a place where idea's disappear unless they involve a new pack.
but thats just my point not saying anyone is wrong here
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If suggesting in the forum doesnt work then the GMs are doing there job wrong. i was told that it is ESSENTIAL to observe peoples suggestions - its my favourate thing because people have such great ideas and its interesting what you can come up with lol.
if everyone feels like there not been taken seriously. i could always try and submit a complaint ticket b:thanks to see whats going on.
PWI should know the way to keep there players interested is listening to there requests b:sad0 -
TasteMe - Lost City wrote:But you see it still costs them something to run the game, so basically its either make it free to play with little bits of income here and there for pwi, or pay monthly..
We used to have "small income" from various psuedo-necessities... storage items, charms, the occasional mount or fashion piece. And we had low gold prices. Now? Now we have high gold prices and a CS which routinely features gambling items. -_-TasteMe - Lost City wrote:I say, be glad its free and keep in mind the money is to keep it online.TasteMe - Lost City wrote:Personaly if everyone proffers quality of gameplay and the games questing systems etc.. then they should suggest it in the suggestion section of the forum[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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there is a huge discrepancy between how you obtain items by in-game means and how people are getting them through the cash shop, in fact, i don't even think the game was originally intended for it.
my guess is that the game was originally intended to be a farm/grind-oriented game, but they wanted it to appeal to players that do not have as much time on their hands, ie: older people with families perhaps.
this is why FCC used to be so ******** and people spent 18 hours straight in there trying to complete it. this is also why the past equipment takes so much farm, around 17k+ spirit for the highest grade OUF helm. other examples are ways to gain rep, lunar equipment, chips, and trophy mode rewards. it all took a lot of work to get like 1 good item. remember when sky demon's pearl and misty forest rings were like 10m+?
i think they decided that this wasn't going to work, and just decided to make everything easier. the packs are there as a fast way to get stuff, sure, but realistically, families with kids are not always inclined to spend a thousand bucks on pixels. lunar got tweaked, frost changed, and obtaining xp is now very fast. with genies and good good gear, i believe trophy mode would be easier to complete as well. those that have been in Nirvana have told me that it is easy too, almost surprised that it's this easy for a lvl 100+ instance. they're changing things to make everything easier, perhaps to close that discrepancy and let the free players be able to compete eventually as well.
the game is surely changing, but as a whole the in-game vs cash shop balance is very awkward atm. perhaps one day it'll look more complete, and they can finally fix the magic shell bug.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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TasteMe - Lost City wrote: »But you see it still costs them something to run the game, so basically its either make it free to play with little bits of income here and there for pwi, or pay monthly..which i think would be more of a pain in the **** considering the quality of the game is fantastic, so im just glad its free. and personaly the game is perfectly fine quality wise, yes pwi need more things to make the game that BIT interesting, but im sure there working on it. Pluss if they make the game any more high detailed there will be absalutly TONS of lag, and that may cause some players to leave and play another game.
I say, be glad its free and keep in mind the money is to keep it online.
also suggest things you want in game, get a vote on it, suggest a new item vote poll to the GMs to make so they know what ALL players preffer.
Im not saying people thinking pwi going too far with money is totaly a rediculas comment, because i myself don't have a job yet. so i cant afford to buy anything, so i just grind money and buy the boutique item from someone in catshop. you either have a choice to be a freebie or a moneyspender. no one is forcing anyone to buy things with real money.
Personaly if everyone proffers quality of gameplay and the games questing systems etc.. then they should suggest it in the suggestion section of the forum b:surrenderb:cute
but thats just my point b:victory not saying anyone is wrong hereb:shocked
actually i would prefer PWI as a play2play. it would work out so much cheaper for 99% of the players. and i guess you missed the financial report for how much money PWE PROFITED last year. go read that and see if you want to change your statements a lil bit. yes we all know it takes a tiny bit of money to run this game. however with the tremendous amount of profit that PWI makes, the players don't see much of a thank you for it. 1 thing i think that would make players happy would be more in game GM s moderating things. such as world chat, bots, hacking, and so on. one GM at $12/hr 5 days a week wouldnt put a dent in the profit, but would keep players so much happier. another idea would be to not penalize the few things we can do in game to make money. i.e. the upcoming DQ nurf.
the average player spends $50+/month where as most pay2pklay cost $20/month or less. IJS please dont use that arguement.0 -
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You guys do realize that PW was a p2p game, right?
I said this once, ill say it again; stop hating cash shoppers, they are the reason you are able to play this game for free. If you want a free game with no $$$ involved, go play flash games. GG[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
It's a business. PWI does cost money to operate, but the point of a business is to make money. No amount of complaining on forums, WC or elsewhere will change that fact. A good business responds to the market. Clearly there is market for what they are providing their customers.
As they say: "Money talks, Bulls*** walks."
As long as people continue to buy what they are selling and they make a profit, they will continue to offer those things. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But don't be surprised if it doesn't go away. PWI has a lot of customers and the idea is to appeal to as many as possible. Just because you're the loudest doesn't mean you're the majority.
Whether you want to believe it or not, that's a good thing (at least in theory). If they spend all their time making the people who don't spend a dime on the game happy they'll be out of business... then no one plays.
Does that mean that the customers with the most to spend have the biggest say in how PWI operates the cash shop? Almost certainly. Yeah, that kind of sucks for those of us who don0 -
Starchief - Sanctuary wrote: »You guys do realize that PW was a p2p game, right?
I said this once, ill say it again; stop hating cash shoppers, they are the reason you are able to play this game for free. If you want a free game with no $$$ involved, go play flash games. GG
The frustration here is just directed at PWE, who decided to ignore the f2p or light CSing players in favor of the few who spend hundreds or thousands on gambling packs.It's a business. PWI does cost money to operate, but the point of a business is to make money. No amount of complaining on forums, WC or elsewhere will change that fact. A good business responds to the market. Clearly there is market for what they are providing their customers.
As they say: "Money talks, Bulls*** walks."
As long as people continue to buy what they are selling and they make a profit, they will continue to offer those things. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But don't be surprised if it doesn't go away. PWI has a lot of customers and the idea is to appeal to as many as possible. Just because you're the loudest doesn't mean you're the majority.
Whether you want to believe it or not, that's a good thing (at least in theory). If they spend all their time making the people who don't spend a dime on the game happy they'll be out of business... then no one plays.
It's a balance. Of course you can't pander to the f2p folks at the expense of CSers. But the gold trade system in-game is how the CSers sell their gold to make coin. If the f2p players start leaving in droves, there won't be enough buyers to support the CSers.
In short: yeah, the CSers support PWI, but the f2p players support the CSers. Just because they're the ones giving PWI most of the physical profit doesn't mean they're the only voice worth listening to.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »I've heard this argument a million times. XD
It's a balance. Of course you can't pander to the f2p folks at the expense of CSers. But the gold trade system in-game is how the CSers sell their gold to make coin. If the f2p players start leaving in droves, there won't be enough buyers to support the CSers.
In short: yeah, the CSers support PWI, but the f2p players support the CSers. Just because they're the ones giving PWI most of the physical profit doesn't mean they're the only voice worth listening to.
And I agree with you. Don't get me wrong... I have my own opinions on the issue. And I don't totally disagree with the cash-shop naysayers. It just seemed worth stating that people forget that this is ultimately a business and those that support the business financially will almost always have more weight then those who don't. Whether I agree with it, think it's fair or not, it's just the way it is...0 -
Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »I've heard this argument a million times. XD
That is because it's the truth?Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »It's a balance. Of course you can't pander to the f2p folks at the expense of CSers. But the gold trade system in-game is how the CSers sell their gold to make coin. If the f2p players start leaving in droves, there won't be enough buyers to support the CSers.
In short: yeah, the CSers support PWI, but the f2p players support the CSers. Just because they're the ones giving PWI most of the physical profit doesn't mean they're the only voice worth listening to.
It has been over a half year since The Packs have come out. People complained about it then, and people complain about it now. Yet, if PWI is making a lot of money... then why should PWI change a successful business strategy? Any evidence showing that PWI is very profitable is direct evidence indicating that current practices are working.
You state that if there is a mass exodus of non-paying customers, then PWI will collapse and/or lose money. It has been over a half year... where is this mass exodus? If there was one (or more), then where is the evidence that PWI lost money?
It seems clear that ignoring the non-paying customers does not hurt their business much.
If you define success as having a happy player base, then I suppose you can say PWI is not successful (I think that's debatable). If, however, you define success as how much profit PWI makes, then they are successful. That is with using *existing* business strategies that apparently, from your perspective, include ignoring non-paying customers.
People seem to be imposing some sort of ethical or moral obligation upon PWI as a business to "treat both their paying customers and non-paying customers well". But that obligation is not a legal one, so they really do not have to do it. If you are not satisfied as a customer, paying or non-paying, then you are completely free to quit the game.0 -
ok out of all the responses i got in this post i must point out, PWI is making proffit out of making these as some people call..waist of time and pointless items, such as packs and that item for 100bucks? or something to move an item to another char? anyway.
yes i do agree it is really unfair for higher lvls and im not keen on being too high lvl myself from all these things iv heard xD but PWI is making money either way and why wudnt they when the world is relient on money. i say PWI is going overboard BUT ... people seem to buy the items. so for them it must be ok. I think pwi dont have a problem with making **** to make proffit because they know alot of members out of billions who play the game will buy these despite how expensive they are.
and PWI knows aslong as people are buying the items, theres no problem, im sure in time when PWI goes overboard with prices in boutique, sooner or later people wont buy the items and leave the game, which will leave PWI with alot more loss in income. and when they notis this..they may fix it for the better.. or the worst.
Im hoping they will lower prices and understand people are buying pixels not houses, because if you think about it the amount of money some players put into this game could buy them a whole weeks worth of clothing.
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Didn't even read past post 3...
Same old rehash...
My two cents on the OP...
Don't like it, don't play. It belongs to them and they do as they please. If it were so bad then people would leave, no new people would come and they'd be forced to do it a new way or quit doing it all together.
Just because you disagree or get a small group of those who disagree... and I don't by the "the forums are full of..." argument. There are far more than don't even post on the forums and even more that don't even come to the forums for anyone to claim any majority... doesn't mean they are doing it wrong... get over it.
There's a general thing out there that holds true... A negative will be resounded over and over and the positive falls flat and unheard. People post about what they don't like... rarely do they post with what they do like... The FREE of the game far outweighs anything anyone can bring to the table about paying for anything.
There is NOTHING in this game that you can't trade something you paid nothing(monetarily) for.
There are alternatives... Feel free to go play those games and complain about what they do wrong too... and enjoy your monthly fees you'll pay to complain about them.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
IMO, Perfect World is still a very good free-to-play game.
But lately, it just seems that they care more about the money then about their game...
I'm not saying they to need to up the graphics or anything (please it hurts my comp already).
It's just that they don't seem to want to put any effort into PW anymore, many bugs that could have been fixed by now, additional content that could be adding for players' enjoyment that hasn't been.
And I don't want to hear the "it's too much coding work for them". Please...
If they can produce 4 brand new games at one time then coding can't be the problem. They just seem to be milking PW for as long as they can and pushing their new games.
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fruitymelons is on the tracks of what im saying, basically PWI are making money so there not going to stop just because some people disagree, because the other half are still paying therfore that means theres still income so its not a problem for pwi.
if you dont like this issue, then the game is obviously not for you.
No one is forcing you to play and it being a free to play, but pay to win game, means u dont pay monthly to play it so u can come and go as you please, thats the freedom of this game.
and you dont have to pay real money for items.. im not going to..untill im at least rich enough to spare some change. but im not sure that i will pay.
But i hear what eldersig is trying to say, personaly i havnt seen any problems other than effort to help members in pwi, but im sure there are tons of problems that uninvolve money issues, pwi does seem barer these last couple of weeks.
it may well be pwi are conserntraiting more on there newer games, its a disapointment because pwi is the most wonderfulest game iv ever seen since second life but pwi has much better graphics.0 -
TasteMe - Lost City wrote: »But you see it still costs them something to run the game, so basically its either make it free to play with little bits of income here and there for pwi, or pay monthly..which i think would be more of a pain in the **** considering the quality of the game is fantastic, so im just glad its free. and personaly the game is perfectly fine quality wise, yes pwi need more things to make the game that BIT interesting, but im sure there working on it. Pluss if they make the game any more high detailed there will be absalutly TONS of lag, and that may cause some players to leave and play another game.
I say, be glad its free and keep in mind the money is to keep it online.
However, as heavy CSers (who seem to be those there to "win") can play differently than light CSers (there for entertainment), who are still in a different class than free players (don't have spare money, or like the mild challenge of not directly paying), there ends up being less enjoyment to spread around, and no incentive for free players or light CS users to play or spend more, when they could just move to a new game in a few months.
It also results in large groups of players in one or another category not interacting in the least with each other, after enough time goes by; or the heavy payers becoming condescending or bully-like to light payers. Practically every F2P I've played eventually became that, and it looks like PWI is now starting to go down that road.
If I had spent money into a game, and it devolved into that, I would not be happy. Yes, you can always quit, but you can't say, "I was willing to pay to help it go farther in the direction that it was going in," and take any of it back, nor any time you've put in. The free/pay dynamic is one of the things that helps make PWI enjoyable, and it was directly related to even CS users needing in-game-only coin."adults on HT is an ancient myth used to scare away the kids from stealing their parents credit cards " - Santacruz0 -
it is not tha cash shopper who provides the payment on runnign the game its pwi..how so?Well they did present the game to us al las free to play didnt they?? YES!..buying gold is optional and if we choose not to buy gold yeah it will still be running..trust me pwe is making huge HUGE profits on each server and on each game they have created.With an unlimited supply of gif images in the boutique that people crave..yeah now its just extra extra cash.0
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I agree PWI seems to be taking the pee a little bit (Sorry if thats a really british term, upsetting people I should say)
But it hasn't reached the point where I want to ragequit yet.
Hopefully they'll see the light before PWI comes crashing down.Samsoul - fail psychic of Lost City!
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I stopped using real money, because I'm pissed off from all BUGS in game. They don't care about fixing game they care just about their money. So I stopped using real money and I spent a lot I think. If they don't care I will care neither.b:angry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »I've worked IT as well and they ran servers just fine without packs.
They're just maximizing their profit margin with little regard for the result on the game.
+1.
PWE is greedy, plain and simple. They just leech every last cent of out their players as much as they can, with little regard for the result on the game. How often to bugs get fixed? Hardly ever. Why? Because PWE would make no money fixing them. They'd rather introduce more packs and persuade people to spend more real-life money on the game.
I also love how random people get banned for random things. And when it is questioned, they are directed to the TOS, which says:
Anyone can be banned at anytime for any reason or for no reason at all.
Think about that the next time you want to purchase zen.A troll is one of many unsung internet heroes who are almost entirely misunderstood. Contrary to popular belief, many trolls are actually quite intelligent. Their habitual attacks on forums is usually a result of their awareness of the pretentiousness and excessive self-importance of many forum enthusiasts. As much as people may hate trolls, they are highly effective. Their actions bring much of the stupidity of other forum users out into the great wide open.
You call me a troll... like it's a bad thing. QQ more.
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »It's a balance. Of course you can't pander to the f2p folks at the expense of CSers. But the gold trade system in-game is how the CSers sell their gold to make coin. If the f2p players start leaving in droves, there won't be enough buyers to support the CSers.
Don't blame the CSers or PWE for high gold prices... if the price goes up, it's because the f2p crowd really loves the newest Boutique items (and that should be counted as a success for PWE--if the price of gold is flat or declines, it means the f2p crowd doesn't want it and the devs "had a bad idea").0 -
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