Fastest grinding class (poll)

LysAlana - Dreamweaver
LysAlana - Dreamweaver Posts: 4 Arc User
edited April 2010 in General Discussion
What's the fastest grinding class on average in your opinion?

Please read some conditions before voting !

1. Consider the classes completely uncharmed!
2. Fastest grinding past level 60!
3. Assume the Venomancer class is grinding with a Phoenix or Hercules!
4. Assume the gear of each class is average (no 2-shotting mobs with +10 weapons)!

5. This is about normal/comfortable grinding speed for each class, not a race (no ''i can aoe kill 15 mobs in 1 go with my barb, but i barely survive with 200HP by the time i'm done'').

6. Grinding counts for all types of different mobs (no ''i can AoE grind 10 poison mobs in 1 go with my cleric, but i die from 3 melee mobs of the same level'').


If you feel like one class surpasses another in the level range 60 - > 100 please say so (e.g. Venomancer is faster than Archer in low 60's, but Archer becomes faster in high 80's).

Thanks all b:thanks
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  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I would go with an 'Axe BM' with there aoe stuns/skills with 'Veno' coming a close 2nd.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    me vote Axe BM
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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited April 2010
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  • SlashSin - Lost City
    SlashSin - Lost City Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    So veno's will have a herc or nix and everyone else gets average stuff =/ Well with those stipulations the veno gets my vote, with axe BMs closely behind in 2nd.

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  • BIaze_ - Heavens Tear
    BIaze_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    these days bms can aoe grind charmless with crab meat + herb Yuanxiao combine that with hyper x12 exp and getting 4k+ exp off a single mob. aoe grinding 10 mobs = 40k+ exp in a few seconds and can keep repeating this for the next hour really easy.

    so for me Axe bm gets my vote and no other class comes close. venos herc relies on deflect damage wile aoe grinding but it dosnt reflect hardly any damage back.
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I voted with veno...because it's more versatile.
    but Axe BM can be damn effective too. Depending on situation I guess the BM will beat the veno in some cases.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Valley of the Scarred: Assassins and Priests rounded up with Herc killed by Triple spark -> Nova -> Noxious, or just follow Nix around picking up loot. Jackaleopardites are fast kills for veno also.
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  • Candie - Raging Tide
    Candie - Raging Tide Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Veno . Easy mode PW
    /tonns of hate to venomancer class
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Veno . Easy mode PW
    /tonns of hate to venomancer class

    Everyone hates the Venos, yet everyone parties with them. It's kinda how it works. Also, a sidenote about Average Vs Herc/Nix. Despite the fact that the idea of a Veno with a Herc/Nix is above average, the general consensus as of late is that a Veno WITHOUT one, is in fact, a sub-par Veno, therefore making Herc/Nix the standard. Why in the hell this idea is allowed to propagate is beyond me, but the fact remains that at least to the noobs of PW, if you don't have a legendary pet, you don't exist as a Veno.

    That being said, however... Venos aren't the fastest grinders, even with said legendary pet. I've seen Psychics and Wizards violate mobs faster than any Veno could. Keep in mind the catch involving Venos. Said pet has to get to said mob before we get the other half of our DD. While that may only be a second or two, the psychic/wizard has already hit said mob with a spell much, much more powerful than that of our feeble wood damage. And unlike Venos, which have only one spell that can be fired with any amount of repeated use, Wizards and Psychics can sit there and hit powerful spell after powerful spell, where as a Veno has cooldowns on their more powerful skills, which when combined with the lack of spells we have, screws their capacity for spamming them. For example. The Wizard. D.Pyro > Glacial Snare > Sandstorm. All 300% of damage, all being able to be fired, Chi-less, right after the other. Granted, Glacial Snare has a 15 second cooldown, however, you can substitute Stone Rain, which is 200% damage, during said cooldown. Now compare the Veno. The only spells that come close to that DPS is Ironwood Scarab, which CONSUMES chi, and Noxious Gas, which, like Stone Rain, is 200% of damage. However, it is an AoE, which may pull aggro from nearby mobs. However, due to cooldowns, you are limited to firing other spells in between those, all of which only have a 100% damage multiplier, except Parasitic Nova, which consumes 2 sparks.

    This is, of course, assuming a Veno and Wizard of maximum level to learn said skills, while not being Sage/Demon yet. For sake of calculations, both are 86, IE, the level in which you finally max out your 2 spark AoEs.

    So, in the end, I'd say Wizard. Veno has a pet, but damn, wizards nuke things like no other.
  • ninjakatt
    ninjakatt Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Blademaster with axe build takes the cake with this one. Venomancers may be cheaper but they are NOT the fastest. Axe BM has several AoEs at 60 at his disposal while having high HP and defense to take the punishment. You just won't be able to grind faster than BMs for this reason alone. Wizards are too squishy to take on too many mobs so they will be grinding slower than BMs.
  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Veno. What other class can grind by afking?
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  • Magicgabe - Lost City
    Magicgabe - Lost City Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    solo, Clerics are definately good grinders after lvl70 if not the best

    gather 20+ poisons mobs then throw a tempest and a couple razors and you get mucho drops and exp.

    then cloud eruption and a couple BoPH,(5k mp pot if you're low on mana) and you're ready to roll again.

    the only problem is that poison can usually 2shot, so you gotta be careful. and also, stacked crit gear allows you to kill mobs faster and usually adds some safety.

    and to add, poison does not damage armor, so no repair costs

    BMs are fast, but they run into some problems when grinding.

    1) seem to have higher pot consumption
    2) can't take on as many mobs at once
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  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    solo, Clerics are definately good grinders after lvl70 if not the best

    gather 20+ poisons mobs then throw a tempest and a couple razors and you get mucho drops and exp.

    then cloud eruption and a couple BoPH,(5k mp pot if you're low on mana) and you're ready to roll again.

    the only problem is that poison can usually 2shot, so you gotta be careful. and also, stacked crit gear allows you to kill mobs faster and usually adds some safety.

    and to add, poison does not damage armor, so no repair costs

    BMs are fast, but they run into some problems when grinding.

    1) seem to have higher pot consumption
    2) can't take on as many mobs at once

    Read the OP lol, they said best aoe grinders in general not just us clerics against poison mobs b:surrender, otherwise we would win b:victory.
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  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ITT: people yet to experience nix + OHT mobs.

    2 or 3 seconds per kill, with 12x hyper about 9k-12k xp per mob.

    Yes, its insane.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    Valley of the Scarred: Assassins and Priests rounded up with Herc killed by Triple spark -> Nova -> Noxious, or just follow Nix around picking up loot. Jackaleopardites are fast kills for veno also.

    ?
    assassins and clerics with hercs using veno skills?
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  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Valley of the scarred: Gather all mobs with riding mount, put on DB, click expel on genie -> dead mobs, lotta experience, spirit and drops. No charm ticks, no pots needed. Only genie fuel. b:pleased
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  • FitHitDShan - Sanctuary
    FitHitDShan - Sanctuary Posts: 276 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    If you are ruling out the clerics grinding poison mobs as not general enough, then you have to discount the axe BMs for the fact their miraculous AOE grind only works on melee attack mobs. A BM doing his little dance in the middle of a circle of ranged magic mobs is a soon-to-be-dead BM. So, this contest is tilted in favor of versatility and veno with Herc and Nix seems to have a built-in edge.
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  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    If you are ruling out the clerics grinding poison mobs as not general enough, then you have to discount the axe BMs for the fact their miraculous AOE grind only works on melee attack mobs. A BM doing his little dance in the middle of a circle of ranged magic mobs is a soon-to-be-dead BM. So, this contest is tilted in favor of versatility and veno with Herc and Nix seems to have a built-in edge.

    True b:surrender.
    Ok i want to change my vote to archers cause they be awesome b:chuckle.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    At 99+ demon archers are by far the fastest 1v1 grinders since they have the highest ranged dps and have access to lots of -interval gear.

    As far as AOE grinding goes clerics are best with wood mobs while BMs are best with physical. At end game however BMs, archers, and maybe wizards can AOE grind at about the same speed in old valley of the scarred due to having the best AOEs.

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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    axt57 wrote: »
    ITT: people yet to experience nix + OHT mobs.

    2 or 3 seconds per kill, with 12x hyper about 9k-12k xp per mob.

    Yes, its insane.

    Yeah, some spots you just hover over holding tab and hitting attack when one pops up. We're basically limited by spawn times there.
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  • Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear
    Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    edited April 2010
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  • LysAlana - Dreamweaver
    LysAlana - Dreamweaver Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    First off, thanks to everyone for voting b:thanks (i expected a bit more votes going to archers :o).
    If you are ruling out the clerics grinding poison mobs as not general enough, then you have to discount the axe BMs for the fact their miraculous AOE grind only works on melee attack mobs. A BM doing his little dance in the middle of a circle of ranged magic mobs is a soon-to-be-dead BM. So, this contest is tilted in favor of versatility and veno with Herc and Nix seems to have a built-in edge.

    By general i ment random mobs you get with random quests. I did not mean completely rule out clerics vs. poison mobs or BMs vs. pirate mobs etc., i merely did not want the grind speed of a class to be determined by 1 specific mob type that suits them best; suits them to the point where they can increase the amount of mobs killed in a given time by 10x even.
    So veno's will have a herc or nix and everyone else gets average stuff =/ Well with those stipulations the veno gets my vote, with axe BMs closely behind in 2nd.

    I thought about whether to include or not include legendary pets for a while. I decided to do so though simply because a legendary pet is very common nowadays. To be honest, out of at least a dozen venos i know at levels 80+, there's only 2 without any legendary pet. Also, given the price tag of a legendary pet, it adds up to what...a +3 refined TT90 set with g7 shards? That's nothing special.
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Veno. What other class can grind by afking?

    Charmed wizard + DB. Quite amusing when you come back to piles of coins around you. b:chuckle Just gotta make sure to set it in the right spot.
  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thread is stupid. OP rules out clerics/bms in his "conditions;" what Asterelle and Magicabe said only applies in certain circumstances (high level/gear, Valley of the Scarred, respectively). Barbs can't grind too effectively 1v1 against a wide range of mobs. As far as grinding is concerned, Sins and Psys have same downfall of wiz/bm/arch/cleric.

    This leaves veno, who doesn't really have advantage over one specific kind of mob (e.g. poison), but can kill virtually any mob with the same ease (magic, ranged physical, melee).

    That being said, I think OP is confused about the term "grind." Why in god's name would anyone grind on mobs they couldn't kill effectively? Do you see butterfly parties packed with bms, or clerics soloing Seaspray Bladewolves? He should have said, "Who can quest the easiest?"

    If we instead compare the ability to grind under optimal conditions for each class: cleric aoe poison, bms in valley of the scarred, etc, veno falls by the wayside. At best, they're less effective than a bm in VoS.

    Discuss.
  • LysAlana - Dreamweaver
    LysAlana - Dreamweaver Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thread is stupid. OP rules out clerics/bms in his "conditions;" what Asterelle and Magicabe said only applies in certain circumstances (high level/gear, Valley of the Scarred, respectively). Barbs can't grind too effectively 1v1 against a wide range of mobs. As far as grinding is concerned, Sins and Psys have same downfall of wiz/bm/arch/cleric.

    This leaves veno, who doesn't really have advantage over one specific kind of mob (e.g. poison), but can kill virtually any mob with the same ease (magic, ranged physical, melee).

    That being said, I think OP is confused about the term "grind." Why in god's name would anyone grind on mobs they couldn't kill effectively? Do you see butterfly parties packed with bms, or clerics soloing Seaspray Bladewolves? He should have said, "Who can quest the easiest?"

    If we instead compare the ability to grind under optimal conditions for each class: cleric aoe poison, bms in valley of the scarred, etc, veno falls by the wayside. At best, they're less effective than a bm in VoS.

    Discuss.

    Like i already said, this was oriented at random mobs you get during quests etc. I am trying to compare all classes vs. a mob that nobody has a major advantage against (or at least very little advantage compared to another class) which is why i said fastest on average vs different types of mobs and not who can kill the most mobs that they're most suited for.

    It's true though, i have merged the terms ''questing'' and ''grinding'' into the same thing pretty much. I did that because 98% of questing = grinding anyway. I also did that to see how well classes do vs. any type of mob and not just one type. Fact is, you can kill anything with any class relatively easily because no regular mob is hard to kill with any class - i just wanna see who people think is faster at it on average.
  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    In that case? Venomancer. Anyone who says bm hasn't understood the "rules."
  • Kilala - Lost City
    Kilala - Lost City Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    depends on class
    eps can lure a ton of wood poison mobs and aoe ALONE
    if only u have wood resist gear.
  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    edited April 2010
    Everyone hates the Venos, yet everyone parties with them. It's kinda how it works. Also, a sidenote about Average Vs Herc/Nix. Despite the fact that the idea of a Veno with a Herc/Nix is above average, the general consensus as of late is that a Veno WITHOUT one, is in fact, a sub-par Veno, therefore making Herc/Nix the standard. Why in the hell this idea is allowed to propagate is beyond me, but the fact remains that at least to the noobs of PW, if you don't have a legendary pet, you don't exist as a Veno.

    A lot of people also seem to forget that the Hecs got Nerfed about 5 or 6 months ago and don't hold aggro like the used to. Right now the only bonuses a Herc really has are the 3 buffs and about 1.5k more HP than a Walker or Magmite. (at level 90. Check Ecatomb for details.)
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Over the level range 60 -> 100 I'm going to have to say the fastest grinder starts off with nix veno and ends up with demon archer.

    The transition point is probably 90 when powerful archer weapons become available and demon archers get their spark / quickshot.
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  • MageMERC - Harshlands
    MageMERC - Harshlands Posts: 1,600 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Holy **** that recording was amazing............