Disappointed at PWI Server management

Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Too many chances for abuse - and merging PvP with PvE will result in a imbalance between players. Frankly I'm not sure who would come out ahead in a merge like that.

The PvE would come out on top, since they would make the merged server PvE not PvP ( since they cant force ppl to be in PvP mode).

Thats why it would never happy

HT suffers from the same issue that all the pve servers suffer from. only a certain number of players are pvp based. this means that there will always be a select few dominant factions on the map, as all pvp orientated players converge together and form groups.

this obviously applies to pvp servers too but the issue is far more pronounced on pve servers.

pvp servers have a much greater proportion of pvp orientated players (almost all of them?) and LC is THE pvp server. harshlands has developed fairly well but LC is and always will be the main pvp server. they have a far greater number of major tw factions thanks to CQ's descision to disband. this combined with the anni packs and CSing to endgame has meant that a much greater number of players who are pvp orientated have access to tw factions who actually stand a chance.

tho the exact same thing will most likely happen on LC again unless theres some unexpected drama lol.

look at HT now. a pve guild has taken a land. and it wasnt through a no show either. pve guilds CAN do it u just need a lot of luck and a lot of hardwork and unity (as all TW factions need when they 1st start, tao, enrage, triad, RoC, the list goes on).

there are easily enough well geared, high level players on the server who dont tw to fill another full 200 strong faction who could become a serious threat once they gained experience. more importantly, why should tw factions who own half/all the map have their work reset? they take advantage of the postion they have worked for and who can blame them. all the points made about how no showing the main threat in a 3 way gank is lame are void. of course its lame, but sometimes a tw faction has to look at the bigger picture (as all the tw factions who have owned large portions of the map have done...)

another point made was related to tw expenses. again, the complaints made by people who dont tw arguing it is too expensive to set up a faction and lose week on week in order to gain land/experience are also void. why? take tao for example. when they started they got pwned weekly with no tw pay to cover their expenses. however, if u want to become a tw faction u have to be willing to pay the cost. otherwise u will never achieve a win. the tw faction in the position to give out tw pay have PAID to have that luxury.

finally, tw pay does not cover cost. seriously guys... the pve factions who have faught against the tw factions on HT latelly have no idea how much a tw between 2 top guilds costs. any amount of charm burn a pve recieves for being 'taught' not to attack them pails in comparison.

lets say a catapult barb is involved in a tw each night of a tw weekend. twice against average pve factions and once against their main competitor. they can easily go thru 6 gold hp charms that weekend. they so go through hundreds of mp pots/a mp charm, they use maybe 20-50 ironguard pots and white teas, hundreds of **** meat, genie energy, and basic repairs.

6 charms at 350k per gold is roughly 8.4 mill, 30 ironguards is roughly the equivelant of 900k, 20 white teas roughy 600k, a hundred mp pots 100k ish, maybe 150k repair bill, 200 crab meat roughly 800k, few hundred p stones is another few hundred thousand.

now consider the pay check for those 3 wars would be 3 mill or so if the faction owns half the map. that means a cat barbs expenses for a big tw weekend is 11 mill or so. their tw pay is 3 mill, thats an 8 mill deficit they have to make up somehow. so ye, tw pay is a nice luxury but really with todays gold prices its a drop in the pond.

Garrand - Heavens Tear wrote: »

look at HT now. a pve guild has taken a land. and it wasnt through a no show either. pve guilds CAN do it u just need a lot of luck and a lot of hardwork and unity (as all TW factions need when they 1st start, tao, enrage, triad, RoC, the list goes on).

finally, tw pay does not cover cost. seriously guys... the pve factions who have faught against the tw factions on HT latelly have no idea how much a tw between 2 top guilds costs. any amount of charm burn a pve recieves for being 'taught' not to attack them pails in comparison.

"PVE Guild"? I'd love to hear your definition of a "PVE Guild". Does that mean they're not red-named outside the West Gate when they're not in TW? Seems to me if you're a guild that TW's with the intent of winning a land, you're a TW faction.

And "being taught not to attack them" will backfire, in spades. No faction lasts forever, but intentional abuse is remembered by all, for a lifetime. I remember, and members of one of those factions will stay on my <KOS/never squad with> list as long as that faction name is over their heads, regardless of wether they TW or not.

RedMenace

\TW is fun
\\well aware it costs everyone money

Garrand - Heavens Tear wrote: »

HT suffers from the same issue that all the pve servers suffer from. only a certain number of players are pvp based. this means that there will always be a select few dominant factions on the map, as all pvp orientated players converge together and form groups.

look at HT now. a pve guild has taken a land. and it wasnt through a no show either. pve guilds CAN do it u just need a lot of luck and a lot of hardwork and unity (as all TW factions need when they 1st start, tao, enrage, triad, RoC, the list goes on).

however, if u want to become a tw faction u have to be willing to pay the cost. otherwise u will never achieve a win. the tw faction in the position to give out tw pay have PAID to have that luxury.

Excellent post.

Any new contenders that wish to tw will also fail because they lack the experience... that comes with time, but you seem to indicate that a new faction on HT is on the rise.

I'm just waiting for the moment that another new faction can show up and prove all the people demanding a map reset that it can be done. On LC we didn't get to see that happen because CQ did disband right before the major surge of new generation of oracle pack levelers mature. Soon there will just be too many high levels on any of the older servers for any one 'super-faction' to dominate...

There will be a point when there are just too many 10x on any given server with the drive and motivation to tw that one faction won't be able to hold all the territories. We may not be there yet, but I think we're quickly approaching it.

Zhion - Raging Tide wrote: »

I think I would disagree with merging old servers. The servers are very active, I don't see how you feel that they aren't. Keep in mind, too, that while no one wants a server with too few people, a server with too many is no better.

As for other comments made, I agree that for a game that's free to play, PWI is wonderfully maintained. There are still a few glitches here and there when it comes to moving (your character acting like a broken record while going down a random mountain), but nothing too serious.

I do still think that lowering the boutique prices (just very slightly) would increase the amount of people buying gold. This is because it increases the amount of players than can afford it. No one likes struggling along for MONTHS just to be able to afford to look cool like other players they see running around. I for one would love to buy a mount, flying mount, full fashion set and inv/safe extension stones, but all that adds up to almost 75 USD. I would be out of my mind to pay that for a game, let alone with my credit card.

The best way to increase income would be lower gold prices, even a tiny bit, and make PWI prepaid cards more readily available, wouldn't it?

And here I am ranting on about a different subject, anyway~

Are you saying that I am out of my mind? >.> Me no likey you...

TOO TRUE! The 7-11 near where I am doesn't even sell the dang cards, and I have yet to see them at my area Target...and I live 10 minutes from Washington, D.C.!!

Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the cards are at my target.... (Miami FL)

Me hatez you...^^

Did u even read what the thread was about? way to necro something useless..... lol

Vasilisk - Harshlands wrote: »

Wanna non-empty servers? Go to russian's PW U will feel that is it - overloaded server.
Look this - it's line in Cube's room 49... Wanna same in PWI?

lol mobs in room 49 are called there "saint beast of fate" b:chuckle

Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »

can you really see PWI players lining up so nicely?

I can see them spamming common chat with every kind of nerdrage imaginable while pushing and shoving in line and whining about how long it's taking.