Zulu's Win Scout Guide.
Taboo - Harshlands
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Pro TW Scout Tactics
by Durdey on Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:21 am
.Sadly I don't get to fight in TW as often as I once have.
But I have a Major Role in TW, being a Scout. I'm the guy who lets the Defense know how to React given a specific situation.
Being a scout is simple, Just tell the guild where the Cata's are headed to, and who's Pulling them.
Some Simple Tactics to IMPROVE a Simple Scout, every bit of an edge you can get can improve how strong the defense can be controlled.
1. Get to the other side:
-- Use a high speed flying mount, and make sure it has enough turbo to boost you across atleast twice!
-- Use the genie skill Wind Push to provide you with that extra boost of speed. use it only after you have reached your max speed, or you're just going slow....
-- Stay at a height of 21, max height is 22. If you hit 22, you might hit the ceiling and stop your movement all-together
-- Carry rez Scrolls with you on your way over, you never know if u get ganked on ur way there, incase you dont make it. Give it 5 seconds, they leave, you rez, and continue on!
-- Find a nice spot sitting over the center lane's wall-entrance. stay high and enjoy the view.
Once you have gotten to the other side, here are some win ideas:
2. The View:
-- If you made it in time to see the first set of catas out, you have just improved our defense and attack output by double!
-- Watch the Catas go out, and make sure they head to where they seem to be going. They may change directions before even leaving their base!
-- Watch who is PULLING the Catas, because the Tanks will respawn before the Catas respawn. If you can see a pre-emptive strike, you can follow their movements easier.
-- Dont get distracted, no matter how EPIC the battle is. ALWAYS watch where those catas go. If they penetrate our defenses, it could take our potential win to a devastating loss in a matter of seconds.
-- Watch for Catas doing a "Switcheroo". That's where a cata will head down a lane, return in front of their base, and change to a separate lane. Such as (Cata heading down lane B, [3 min later] Cata from lane B heading to lane A) [( A cata can only run on flat ground, the path is flat ground, their base is flat ground, and just outside of their base is flat ground)]
-- When in downtime of no catas in the area, it helps to kinda look around and see where most of the respawned players are headed. If you see a large mass of people headed for a lane that has no catas, you can bet your **** that they're preparing a strike in that area. Mention in guild chat, but it's not worthy of mentioning over Vent unless asked.
-- Use your "Mob on Map" button to see catas on your mini-map, it helps to spot catas. It also spots pets on the map, but it may help you catch a "Switcheroo" in progress if you have that option on.
3. Helpful Tactics:
-- When Defending a land, you are on the opposite side of the map than when you are Attacking a Land. SO that means Lanes A and C are backwards! So WRITE DOWN on a piece of paper which lane is A/B/C or if it's C/B/A. It makes communicating where the catas are headed much safer and faster. YOU DONT want to be the **** that made the guild lose the TW cuz you said "4 Catas down lane C" when in reality, they went to Lane A.
-- Use little helpful reminders in front of you to help track the Catas. Be it Toy Cars, Bottle Caps, or Skittles. So when someone asks you "Where are all the Catas at?" you can easily reply with an answer like "2 catas down lane A, and 2 catas down lane C" or wherever they are.
Any more inquiry is welcome here.
Getting set up on vent is per request of whoever needs your input.
Being in your separate channel helps reduce your chance of overhearing unnecessary comments that might pause you from relaying information.
by Durdey on Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:21 am
.Sadly I don't get to fight in TW as often as I once have.
But I have a Major Role in TW, being a Scout. I'm the guy who lets the Defense know how to React given a specific situation.
Being a scout is simple, Just tell the guild where the Cata's are headed to, and who's Pulling them.
Some Simple Tactics to IMPROVE a Simple Scout, every bit of an edge you can get can improve how strong the defense can be controlled.
1. Get to the other side:
-- Use a high speed flying mount, and make sure it has enough turbo to boost you across atleast twice!
-- Use the genie skill Wind Push to provide you with that extra boost of speed. use it only after you have reached your max speed, or you're just going slow....
-- Stay at a height of 21, max height is 22. If you hit 22, you might hit the ceiling and stop your movement all-together
-- Carry rez Scrolls with you on your way over, you never know if u get ganked on ur way there, incase you dont make it. Give it 5 seconds, they leave, you rez, and continue on!
-- Find a nice spot sitting over the center lane's wall-entrance. stay high and enjoy the view.
Once you have gotten to the other side, here are some win ideas:
2. The View:
-- If you made it in time to see the first set of catas out, you have just improved our defense and attack output by double!
-- Watch the Catas go out, and make sure they head to where they seem to be going. They may change directions before even leaving their base!
-- Watch who is PULLING the Catas, because the Tanks will respawn before the Catas respawn. If you can see a pre-emptive strike, you can follow their movements easier.
-- Dont get distracted, no matter how EPIC the battle is. ALWAYS watch where those catas go. If they penetrate our defenses, it could take our potential win to a devastating loss in a matter of seconds.
-- Watch for Catas doing a "Switcheroo". That's where a cata will head down a lane, return in front of their base, and change to a separate lane. Such as (Cata heading down lane B, [3 min later] Cata from lane B heading to lane A) [( A cata can only run on flat ground, the path is flat ground, their base is flat ground, and just outside of their base is flat ground)]
-- When in downtime of no catas in the area, it helps to kinda look around and see where most of the respawned players are headed. If you see a large mass of people headed for a lane that has no catas, you can bet your **** that they're preparing a strike in that area. Mention in guild chat, but it's not worthy of mentioning over Vent unless asked.
-- Use your "Mob on Map" button to see catas on your mini-map, it helps to spot catas. It also spots pets on the map, but it may help you catch a "Switcheroo" in progress if you have that option on.
3. Helpful Tactics:
-- When Defending a land, you are on the opposite side of the map than when you are Attacking a Land. SO that means Lanes A and C are backwards! So WRITE DOWN on a piece of paper which lane is A/B/C or if it's C/B/A. It makes communicating where the catas are headed much safer and faster. YOU DONT want to be the **** that made the guild lose the TW cuz you said "4 Catas down lane C" when in reality, they went to Lane A.
-- Use little helpful reminders in front of you to help track the Catas. Be it Toy Cars, Bottle Caps, or Skittles. So when someone asks you "Where are all the Catas at?" you can easily reply with an answer like "2 catas down lane A, and 2 catas down lane C" or wherever they are.
Any more inquiry is welcome here.
Getting set up on vent is per request of whoever needs your input.
Being in your separate channel helps reduce your chance of overhearing unnecessary comments that might pause you from relaying information.
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Write me a "I dont come to TW" guide to make me feel important too please b:thanksb:victoryLOLIROFL CAKE!! GET SOME!!0
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pro guide thanks durdey b:laugh taboo can i have a cata guide please?0
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Jlung - Harshlands wrote: »taboo can i have a cata guide please?
Already did, can i have forum access back?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Sign up under someone's name that may/ would join then just troll?0
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Just a thought, but what about AvengerZ pro tactic, which they used on Pendulum in the first PvP TW of the server, that is to have your scout chase the attacking factions scout around like an idiot? Fiya was freaking out cause he wouldn't stop chasing her, was epic.0
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Taboo - Harshlands wrote: »Already did, can i have forum access back?
you already have it backb:chuckle can u tell more stories on there please their fun to read0 -
Jlung - Harshlands wrote: »you already have it backb:chuckle can u tell more stories on there please their fun to read
Lies, im banned.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Crackdealer - Harshlands wrote: »Sign up under someone's name that may/ would join then just troll?
Now you're just trying to overload his brain with common sense.0 -
This guide should be on KD forums. I hear KDs scout and base buffers are tired of doing the same thing for months now and when Michael tried to replace them for one TW things went bad, so they got put back on their scout/ base buffer duty. This was 2-3 weeks ago though so I'm not sure if they found competent replacements yet.60 / 250.0
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Bloop, you think i would find a guide this good and not post it for KD to take advantage of? man im way ahead of you[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Taboo - Harshlands wrote: »Lies, im banned.
this is unacceptable i demand you get access back so that you can finish telling me storiesb:angry0 -
I heard zulu people do TW and don't get paid and nurfed uses guild fund for his personal use. I b:laugh at that ****.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=d5665672759051ef
^ my barbs built, full buff in tiger.b:bye
I'm not going to troll anymore T_T0 -
If he does he must wipe his **** with 1m a trip, he's got Rank 8, WTF do you think he's gonna spend it on?0
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Jlung - Harshlands wrote: »this is unacceptable i demand you get access back so that you can finish telling me storiesb:angry
Me too, me too....but my jokes make certain zulus rage too much, so....i dont wanna be responsible for any PWI related deaths.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Taboo - Harshlands wrote: »
3. Helpful Tactics:
-- When Defending a land, you are on the opposite side of the map than when you are Attacking a Land. SO that means Lanes A and C are backwards! So WRITE DOWN on a piece of paper which lane is A/B/C or if it's C/B/A. It makes communicating where the catas are headed much safer and faster. YOU DONT want to be the **** that made the guild lose the TW cuz you said "4 Catas down lane C" when in reality, they went to Lane A.
-- Use little helpful reminders in front of you to help track the Catas. Be it Toy Cars, Bottle Caps, or Skittles. So when someone asks you "Where are all the Catas at?" you can easily reply with an answer like "2 catas down lane A, and 2 catas down lane C" or wherever they are.
Wow no wonder zulu is so good their strategy is so pro! Using skittles and bottle caps to track oru catasb:shocked that is just to pro yo.I dont level Slow I just enjoy the game b:surrender0 -
It might sound silly but it's actually a great idea especially with having to manage 6-8 catas in a defense war. You can easily get confused and lose track on how many and which catas went down a specific lane especially when some catas could retreat to switch lanes. Good job Durdey on the creativity. I didn't really fully read this guide till now, and I'm impressed. Extra salary for you next pay, good sir.0
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Nurfed - Harshlands wrote: »It might sound silly but it's actually a great idea especially with having to manage 6-8 catas in a defense war. You can easily get confused and lose track on how many and which catas went down a specific lane especially when some catas could retreat to switch lanes. Good job Durdey on the creativity. I didn't really fully read this guide till now, and I'm impressed. Extra salary for you next pay, good sir.
You should model this XuLin...more monneiz for creativity on our boards!!!0 -
Nurfed - Harshlands wrote: »It might sound silly but it's actually a great idea especially with having to manage 6-8 catas in a defense war. You can easily get confused and lose track on how many and which catas went down a specific lane especially when some catas could retreat to switch lanes. Good job Durdey on the creativity. I didn't really fully read this guide till now, and I'm impressed. Extra salary for you next pay, good sir.
I line up a series of action figures where i see your defense, so if i blink i can easily remember where your defense is directly in front of me. Do i get extra pay too?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Stayne - Harshlands wrote: »You should model this XuLin...more monneiz for creativity on our boards!!!
Man, if i got paid for all my creative nonsense id be the richest player in PWI.....its not fair.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nurfed - Harshlands wrote: »Extra salary for you next pay, good sir.
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Nurfed don't pay them extra salary. Be like XuLin. Buy yourself more fashion to show your love and appreciation for your peons.
"I must look HAWT when I PK." ~XuLin0 -
^ it's funny cause its true.0
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^ Especially funny for everyone else, because it's true.0
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lol my super secret TW strategy is bringing fireworks to TW for various uses b:laughI dont level Slow I just enjoy the game b:surrender0
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Legendadry - Harshlands wrote: »lol my super secret TW strategy is bringing fireworks to TW for various uses b:laugh
b:worriedb:surrenderb:cry Not the fireworks. Please no anything but that.0 -
Jlung - Harshlands wrote: »pro guide thanks durdey b:laugh taboo can i have a cata guide please?
How to be Pro Fo Sho With a Cata Yo by Taboo.
Aight, ask and you shall recieve. Ive gotten many questions about being a catapuller and when ill make a guide, so....Here it is. I will attempt, to the best of my ability, to tell you everything that goes through my head as well as what i do when pulling a cata. With out further ado, i bring to you, BAM guide time!
GEAR/STAT DISTRIBUTION:
*listed best to worst from left to right.
Weapon: Pan Gu's Giant Axe, Any weapon with high hp THAT DOES NOT HAVE A ZERK MOD
Helm: Event Helmet, HH90 Helmet, fb69 Helmet
Chest: HH99, HH90
Pants: HH99, HH90
Boots: HH99, HH90
Wrists: HH90, HH99
Cape: Event cape with Hp, Event Cape with m def, Tauren Chieften, HH90
Rings: m attack OHT rings with high vit, any ring that gives alot of vit/m def
Belt: M def Warsong belt, 4th map m def belt, 3rd map m def belt, demon slaughter.
Neck: M def cube neck, HH90 swindlers, Equin Talisman
Everything should be sharded for Hp. Vit stones are optimal, but if thats not reasonable use the highest grade citrines you can get. All Ornaments need to be M def, we are barbs if you are really afraid of dying to a barb/bm in TW please gtfo. Refine as much as possible, Always worry about refining your cape last, as it is concideres LA, thus having less benefit that your other HA pieces. also, Ornaments are important as the biggest threat to us in TW is mages.
Str: Lowest possible value while still being able to wear your highest str required pieces (typically 272)
Vit: As High as possible with all gear requirements met
Mag: 5
Dex: I like having 60 dex.
BASIC KNOWLEDGE:
Target an unused catapult and use your cata scroll, watch the colored rectangle on your screen to manage your catapult. Keep running until the box turns red, then stop and cast poison feng (or 50 chi skill if its CD is up) to build chi and continue to run until its red again. You never want to be anywhere in which you may be getting attacked without atleast 2 sparks available, i like to have 3 first. Listen to whoever is leading, and move quickly with the other catas. Make sure you are conscious of your buffs as well as the clerics/cata in your squad. If your cata partner gets purged and you arent being focused, stand up and buff, and expect him to do the same for you. If you are being attacked but dont see any BMs around to stun you, turtle and rebuff and get back into tiger form.
***POSITIONING***:
(very, very important)
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When Running down outer paths ALWAYS stay on the outer edge of the lane to avoid any patrols that may slack and not come all the way over to look for you. You dont need to go too far, but definatley do not stay on the inner side.
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Never Stand somewhere which would make your cata shoot multiple targets, also try to stay away from other catas in order to avoid everyone getting hit by the same AoE.
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It is essential that when you get into the base everything you do is perfect. Position is everything, keep your cata where its ability can be maximized.
TECHNIQUE/IDEAS:
Catapulling is very reaction based, so ill try my best to tell you what i look for/do in situations. A couple things to have in mind when reading this: I assume you have the genie skills i mention, if not get them. I assume you have atleast 3 sparks. I assume you have the same pots i do.
When at a Tower or the HQ and you are getting attacked it is very important you dont just smash whatever life saving skill your finger can get to first, but rather plan in advance.
IF....
You are taking very little damage and your charm can keep up, dont use anything other than maybe an hp pot and stay alert.
You are getting bombed onby many high dps classes, use Turtle followed by beatial rage to regain chi.
You Get dragoned, Triple spark to remove it as well as 3 second immunity. Follow up triple spark with Genie skill: Solid Shield( this is fairly weak, but will allow you to live for the 7 seconds before charm tick)
You see a High lvl mage or any DD threat Triple spark, use an iron guard pot or tranq orb
You are clericless and see a veno coming to purge you, use a Tranq orb
You are about to die, use anything you have....(often i double spark + Tree of Protection.)
Hope this helps, i tried...
If anyone allowes the fail catas in other guilds to see this, i shall keeeel juuuuu!0 -
Nurfed - Harshlands wrote: »Extra salary for you next pay, good sir.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Sig by Bakura~0 -
Nurfed - Harshlands wrote: »It might sound silly but it's actually a great idea especially with having to manage 6-8 catas in a defense war. You can easily get confused and lose track on how many and which catas went down a specific lane especially when some catas could retreat to switch lanes. Good job Durdey on the creativity. I didn't really fully read this guide till now, and I'm impressed. Extra salary for you next pay, good sir.
Make sure you send him an extra 5$ in the mail. I wouldnt want him to run out of candy next war and have to figure out a new strategy. I bet his mom starts getting tired of having to buy snack packs all the time, too.0 -
Embustero - Harshlands wrote: »NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Nurfed don't pay them extra salary. Be like XuLin. Buy yourself more fashion to show your love and appreciation for your peons.
"I must look HAWT when I PK." ~XuLin
I need rank 6 on my alt cleric that Ill never play in TW. Can you guys help me out with that too?0 -
Embustero - Harshlands wrote: »b:worriedb:surrenderb:cry Not the fireworks. Please no anything but that.
You should have seen the Fairytail war 2 weeks back. We lit up the sky with tons of fireworks the whole war. It worked so well, we were thinking about applying the tactic to Kylin wars.
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HappysHAIL - Harshlands wrote: »Make sure you send him an extra 5$ in the mail. I wouldnt want him to run out of candy next war and have to figure out a new strategy. I bet his mom starts getting tired of having to buy snack packs all the time, too.
LMAO..."800k for you, 800k for you....Durdey, your skittles are in the mail, should have em for next Friday, keep up the good work....800k for you, 800k for you"[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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