is it me or clerics are being told what to do?

Ehee, we are pretty passive-aggressive. It comes from being generally nice people who get kicked around a lot.

That wizard didn't know what he was talking about, plain and simple. I know plenty of clerics who can tank in a pinch (bh 59 comes to mind), and, with another cleric in a party of 3, it's not like one cleric tanking berefts the party of heals. One cleric can handle healing 3 other party members just fine, especially if the tank can hold aggro.

The one reason the wizard might have complained is because, in all likelyhood, he was doing more damage than you. He probably figured he could hold aggro over you, and that's probably true, but it doesn't matter if he can't stay alive long enough to hold it. The two primary functions of a tank are to 1: hold aggro and 2: stay alive. Next time someone acts like that, be sure to point that out. If you go down in 4 hits, no cleric in the game is going to be able to keep you alive without stacking IHs before every single encounter.

My favorite way to handle people who think they know how to play a cleric is to tell them to roll one up. You can usually tell the ones who have a decently leveled cleric character, because, on the rare occasions they offer advice, they usually know what they're talking about. b:chuckle

I can relate, sadly. My 50s-60s in particular were when people ordered me around most, and a lot of my bh squads then were fail. My 40s weren't two bad since I lvled fast doing bhs and was lucky to have okay squads most of the time.

I'm not sure on how much you've been in bh29, but it seems that whatever the case, the wizzie didn't know what he was doing. If you want to tank, you need the hp, defence and equips to back it up. Squishy tanks can die even with constant spam healing, and when that happens, it's not the fault of the cleric.

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When someone in squad is telling the cleric(s) what to do, it's for one of two reasons:

1)The cleric doesn't know what (s)he is doing.
2)The person doing the telling doesn't know what (s)he is doing.

When you're the cleric, figure out if you made a mistake, or the other person is being dumb, and act accordingly. The best cleric in the world won't keep the DDs alive every time they pull aggro. A good DD understands this.

This . . .

It's a simple, easily observable phenomena, that I call the "Everyone sucks but me" phenomena. There are two parts of this. The first is the "I'm better than everyone" aspect. Essentially, people will tend to assume they are better than others, and act on this premise. Next comes the "I'm always right" aspect. That is, give the first aspect to be true, the individual must always be correct in whatever he/she does. The odd thing about this phenomena is that it it shows up on an inverse proportion to actual skill. That is, the better the individual really is, the less often he/she will act in this manner, with the opposite also being true (the lower the players skill, the more likely he/she is to act this way). Now, there are obvious exceptions to these actions, since it can't really be applied when there is a very real, and observable difference in power (ever see a lvl 20 giving advice to a lvl 68?). There are also a few more 'humble' individuals that refuse to vocalize these qualities, regardless of skill, but it is present in everyone.

You're a cleric in the party. You control their life and death. Essentially, you're in charge. If a party member is ordering you around, and you KNOW they're wrong, then simply let them die and not res, or kick them out of party if you have lead. DDs are easily replaceable. They'll learn their lesson one day.

Qingzi - Harshlands wrote: »

First off, barbs aren't needed all the time, the only times they're really needed is against Farren Sereneti(FB/BH39), FB/BH51 and Gaurnob/Polearm(FB/BH69), haven't gotten any further so I can't say anything about later on, but it depends on how scared people are of trying new things out. Anyone can tank, as long as you have the courage for it.

And secondly, last night, a veno told me to use Flesh Ream for keeping aggro. Didn't like her so she died quick against Zimo b:laugh, but as said, clerics aren't the only ones getting ordered

Well first of all flesh ream is spammable so do your job as a tank and keep aggro. Im smart enough to use ironheart which is also SPAMMABLE. I had barbs not spam flesh ream, and i just let them die b:bye

Qingzi - Harshlands wrote: »

First off, barbs aren't needed all the time, the only times they're really needed is against Farren Sereneti(FB/BH39), FB/BH51 and Gaurnob/Polearm(FB/BH69), haven't gotten any further so I can't say anything about later on, but it depends on how scared people are of trying new things out. Anyone can tank, as long as you have the courage for it.

And secondly, last night, a veno told me to use Flesh Ream for keeping aggro. Didn't like her so she died quick against Zimo b:laugh, but as said, clerics aren't the only ones getting ordered

Yeah but in FB/BH29 it is good thing though to have one as a Cleric I feel a little more assured with a Barb around.

Shealu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

A perfect illustration of the things >>here<<



edit: btw i m nearly 93 not 91 bad avatar QQ

Go to "Edit your Avatar", select the default one, then re-select your character. That should update it.

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When someone in squad is telling the cleric(s) what to do, it's for one of two reasons:

1)The cleric doesn't know what (s)he is doing.
2)The person doing the telling doesn't know what (s)he is doing.

When you're the cleric, figure out if you made a mistake, or the other person is being dumb, and act accordingly. The best cleric in the world won't keep the DDs alive every time they pull aggro. A good DD understands this.

Agreed. However, I'd add...

3) The person doing the telling simply assumes the cleric doesn't know what they're doing (knee-jerk reaction) due to previous failed squads.

I've encountered these types a few times. Specifically during BH69 when DD would drop at Polearm.

Barb: Res him
Me: I see him. Was waiting for Invoke.
Barb: Oh. Sorry. Couple rough squads the past couple days. Didn't mean any offense. >.<
Me: No worries. I get that a lot. XD

I let them die. =\

It's one thing if someone shouts "heal!" once at the begining of a run, but when I've been in a squad, shown I can keep it alive, asked repeatedly for them to stop telling me MY job, and we're almost at the boss and they're still screaming orders at me I just let them die. After playing the game for a year, trying all classes, and observing how higher level clerics operate I will not let some bh/oracle noob yelling at me thinking they know more about my class than I do. People forget that they need me more than I need them - getting a squad as a cleric is easy.

I abondoned my bh39 squad because the bms kept aggroing trash and screaming at me to heal them when the barb needed me more and I asked them to stop. I consider it one of my proudest moments.

SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well first of all flesh ream is spammable so do your job as a tank and keep aggro. Im smart enough to use ironheart which is also SPAMMABLE. I had barbs not spam flesh ream, and i just let them die b:bye

It's nothing about not using Flesh Ream, it's about wanting her to die since I didn't like her so I didn't try to take aggro from Zimo in the first place. She tried ordering me, trying to make it my life-duty to buff her with my hp buff. If I'm allowed to quote her: "barb, use hp buff, it increases hp". Me: "I'm waiting on everyone since it uses a lot of mp". Every 12 seconds she kept nagging about "barb, buff". I hate people ordering me and she didn't even check if either me or the cleric was prepared when we got to Zimo, so I let her die. Then she rage-quit.
No flaming without all the factsb:bye

Raviste - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're a cleric in the party. You control their life and death. Essentially, you're in charge. If a party member is ordering you around, and you KNOW they're wrong, then simply let them die and not res, or kick them out of party if you have lead. DDs are easily replaceable. They'll learn their lesson one day.

Hm.. & you're so sure u're not the one in the wrong, but too stuck up your b:cute spot to realise?

I remember doing one 2-2 run with a cleric that was... um... On the last boss I just couldn't take & told her what I thought about her "skills"... or total lack there of, which resulted into a party whipe after she smacked into all the minions while just trying to jump of patform b:embarrass I'm pretty sure she still thinks she was in the right, cause before this she was saying how her previous squad was a bunch of b:cute holes to her & the run failed... After ours we could kinda guess why...

The wizard failed.

In my experience, clerics only really get told what to do when it's a first for them: BH, FB, TT, FF, etc etc. Afterwords it's usually just friendly reminders to insure that everyone knows what they're doing.

I know just how you feel. It sucks being told how to do your job, especially when you know what you're doing and the other person is a jerk about it. Clerics can be perfectly suitable tanks in certain situations. I tanked Pyro today (I didn't even know I could lol) and it worked out great. Don't let other people tell you how to play your class. Chances are they don't know as well as you what to do. It is okay to accept good advice on the rare occasion that it is given- one can always learn and better his/herself- but they have no right to bark orders at you. Especially stupid orders.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i didnt ever mind if someone was telling me what to do even if it was something obvious

i have no idea why so many ppl make big deal about it

iKnowMyClassDontTellMeWhatToDoBish attitude b:surrender


and btw, even on 80lvl or 90lvl u still learn, and if u dont - then u gotta be bad

Go and play the game nao!b:shutup