Drop rate in squad

_Lyra - Lost City
_Lyra - Lost City Posts: 84 Arc User
edited April 2010 in General Discussion
Is the drop rate of individual monsters based on the average/highest level of the squad or on the level of the player that kills the monster. IE if I'm squadded with a level 1 and he kills a bunch of mobs, is the drop rate reduced simply because I'm in the squad? Even if i dont attack or show up on the aggro table?
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  • sihndra
    sihndra Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Drop nerfing is determined by the highest level character to engage the monster in combat.

    Your Lv 89 should experience no change in drops whatsoever if she is grouped with a Lv 10. The Lv 10 will also experience no change in drops, even standing right next to you and sharing EXP gains with you, as long as you do not take part in the combat. The only time that drops will be nerfed is if the Lv 89 engages in the Lv 10's combat session by helping them with damage/healing/buffing/etc.

    For more info on drop nerfing, please refer to http://pwdatabase.com/drop
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  • ilystah
    ilystah Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I heard from many players that it depends on the highest level player, and this seems to be true for a few times I did fb, as the drop rate decrease very significantly even if only 1 is high level.
  • _Lyra - Lost City
    _Lyra - Lost City Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Generally tho its that one high lvl player doing all the damage. My question is if if just being in the squad makes the drop rate decrease.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    _Lyra - Lost City wrote: »
    Generally tho its that one high lvl player doing all the damage. My question is if if just being in the squad makes the drop rate decrease.

    It's based on the highest level.


    Had a level 30 alt who does nothing but raise genies and farm DQ31s run around killing stuff around secret passage entrance. With x2 exp, most mobs would almost always drop me some form of item and coin and within an hour, I'd get a good deal of DQs and mats.

    Then I had a level 100 cleric squad me while he was AFK and had me on autofollow. During the 30 minutes or so he was floating above my head, getting even a single item (pot, DQ, craft mats) was a rarity and to top it off, the monsters started to, in general, drop nothing but coin more often.
  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    truekossy wrote: »
    It's based on the highest level.


    Had a level 30 alt who does nothing but raise genies and farm DQ31s run around killing stuff around secret passage entrance. With x2 exp, most mobs would almost always drop me some form of item and coin and within an hour, I'd get a good deal of DQs and mats.

    Then I had a level 100 cleric squad me while he was AFK and had me on autofollow. During the 30 minutes or so he was floating above my head, getting even a single item (pot, DQ, craft mats) was a rarity and to top it off, the monsters started to, in general, drop nothing but coin more often.

    The OP is asking about the opposite though, if a high level as a low level in squad on autofollow killing high level mobs.
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  • ilystah
    ilystah Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    @ElderSig: The OP asked
    _Lyra - Lost City wrote: »
    IE if I'm squadded with a level 1 and he kills a bunch of mobs, is the drop rate reduced simply because I'm in the squad? Even if i dont attack or show up on the aggro table?

    I doubt that a level 1 can kill level 89 mobs.
  • Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary
    Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The OP is asking about the opposite though, if a high level as a low level in squad on autofollow killing high level mobs.
    If a high level has a low level in squad on autofollow killing high level mobs is most certainly NOT what the OP is askign about.
    _Lyra - Lost City wrote: »
    Is the drop rate of individual monsters based on the average/highest level of the squad or on the level of the player that kills the monster. IE if I'm squadded with a level 1 and he kills a bunch of mobs, is the drop rate reduced simply because I'm in the squad? Even if i dont attack or show up on the aggro table?
    If I [a level 89 veno] am squaded with a level 1 and he [the level 1] kills a bunch of [low-level] mobs...

    An administrator has already replied that "Drop nerfing is determined by the highest level character to engage the monster in combat." and that "The only time that drops will be nerfed is if the Lv 89 engages in the Lv 10's combat session by helping them with damage/healing/buffing/etc." so just being in squad won't affect things according to Sihndra.

    My own experience contradicts that... If I'm in squad and do nothing (no damage/healing/buffing) then my L94 presence dramatically reduces the drop-rate for the L10 I was standing by ready to rez if something bad happened. I find that if I am not partied with the L10, I can even heal them and debuff their monsters and NOT adversely impact their drop rate--I just can't deal direct damage or I usually get credit for the kill and the drop will suck.
  • Fiery_Demon - Heavens Tear
    Fiery_Demon - Heavens Tear Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    So, is it like when I'm in a squad, killing mobs at my level with a lower level who doesn't help me at all, then we get more drops than we'd got if the other person had helped me? But they still get the same amount of exp as me and may get drops even if they don't help?

    Sorry for being a dummie, I understand the basic idea but I need it to be explained in a bit more simple way b:surrender

    P.S I like Sihndra's siggy with the white rat, it's kewl ^^
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  • Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary
    Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Fiery_Demon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So, is it like when I'm in a squad, killing mobs at my level with a lower level who doesn't help me at all, then we get more drops than we'd got if the other person had helped me? But they still get the same amount of exp as me and may get drops even if they don't help?

    Sorry for being a dummie, I understand the basic idea but I need it to be explained in a bit more simple way b:surrender

    P.S I like Sihndra's siggy with the white rat, it's kewl ^^
    Shindra said "Drop nerfing is determined by the highest level character to engage the monster in combat." so if yu're L78 and there's a low-level in squad, but you're doing the combat, then the drop rate is based on your stats--the low-level doesn't enter into it (which is opposite of what the OP was asking; in that case the low-level did all the work and the high-level was just along for company).

    Since the drops are based on your stats, no you wont' get more drops if the low-level were to help out. Also I'm not sure that the low-level will get the same amount of EXP/Spirit as you... the table suggests that you'd get 90-100% of the EXP/Spirit value for the mob within -2 to +3 levels of you (the L78 char) while the low-level might get as much as 120% (if you're 11 levels higher than the low-level char), but I wonder if there's something about "average squad level" as a divisor in addition to squad size?
  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    ilystah wrote: »
    @ElderSig: The OP asked



    I doubt that a level 1 can kill level 89 mobs.

    Yeah, that's gonna be my bad. >.< I was still half-awake with I read it >.<

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  • _Lyra - Lost City
    _Lyra - Lost City Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thanks Sihndra for the official ruling b:thanks.

    Quick question tho. I reviewed the drop table and noticed the exact percent decreases for exp/spirit/drops based on lvl difference, so I decided to test it out myself to see if it held up (i ever so slightly distrust pwdatabase)

    Anyway, if we assume that the drop rate is indeed based on the highest lvl player to show up on the aggro table for the mob, would it also make sense that the exp/sp gained by the individual players would reflect this? IE if a lvl 50 (squaded with an afk lvl 100) kills a lvl 50 mob worth 500 exp, the lvl 50 would get around 250 exp points, while the lvl 100 would get 12 (based on pwdatabase exp calculations). When i tested this tho, I found that the lvl 100 actually gets MORE exp than the lvl 50 (20 exp versus 14). If the pwdatabase values are correct, and the drop/exp/sp rates are dependent on the highest lvl on the aggro table, then why does this occur?
  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary wrote: »
    My own experience contradicts that... If I'm in squad and do nothing (no damage/healing/buffing) then my L94 presence dramatically reduces the drop-rate for the L10 I was standing by ready to rez if something bad happened. I find that if I am not partied with the L10, I can even heal them and debuff their monsters and NOT adversely impact their drop rate--I just can't deal direct damage or I usually get credit for the kill and the drop will suck.

    It isnt engaging in combat that does it. There is a certain radius (seems to roughly match the radar range on medium zoom setting) which will determine if the high level effects drops. That is the same range where inside, the person can randomly recieve drops from pickup or is excluded. The same range on if the person receives a share of the experience. Outside of that range, they have no effect, but within range they do.
  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    _Lyra - Lost City wrote: »
    Anyway, if we assume that the drop rate is indeed based on the highest lvl player to show up on the aggro table for the mob, would it also make sense that the exp/sp gained by the individual players would reflect this? IE if a lvl 50 (squaded with an afk lvl 100) kills a lvl 50 mob worth 500 exp, the lvl 50 would get around 250 exp points, while the lvl 100 would get 12 (based on pwdatabase exp calculations). When i tested this tho, I found that the lvl 100 actually gets MORE exp than the lvl 50 (20 exp versus 14). If the pwdatabase values are correct, and the drop/exp/sp rates are dependent on the highest lvl on the aggro table, then why does this occur?

    EXP isn't split evenly between members of a squad. There's an adjustment made based on their levels relative to each other as well as relative to the monster, I believe.
  • sihndra
    sihndra Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    _Lyra - Lost City wrote: »
    Anyway, if we assume that the drop rate is indeed based on the highest lvl player to show up on the aggro table for the mob, would it also make sense that the exp/sp gained by the individual players would reflect this?

    EXP/SP gains are governed by a different set of rules from drops.
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