Wizard lv100 skill change
Vorhs - Lost City
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I see that wizars lvl100 skills are not that useful as they seem by the description, especially manifest virtue skill is pretty useless as every wizard prefer spending chi in better ways.
I suggest to change it into something more useful and unordinary, like this for example:
lv 79 SKILL (instead maybe of elemental shell, that can be changed into a lv100 skill)
Name: Soul Infuse
Mana 100
Channel 10 seconds
Cast 1 second
Cooldown 1 hour
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instruments
Requires 1 spark
Its a buff castable on self or on others. Gives the target the capacity of auto-resurrect with 50% of normal exp loss and 50% mana/health. Buff duration 1 hour.
pros:
- wizards are finally somehow more useful in HH lol they can cast it on clerics so they can auto-resurrect in case of whipe.
- it can be done just once per hour, i think its a nice timing.
- wizards, everybody knows, are the class that dies more frequently, so they have now a chance not to call a cleric for ress everytime (if 50% of normal exp loss is good to you, making it 10% or even 0% would make this skill too OP in my opinion)
cons: i dont see any con... it isnt a skill that let wizards be OP over other classes, its just a help for everybody and a help improving the wizards usefulness for the squad's good.
Tell me what you think about it. b:thanks
I suggest to change it into something more useful and unordinary, like this for example:
lv 79 SKILL (instead maybe of elemental shell, that can be changed into a lv100 skill)
Name: Soul Infuse
Mana 100
Channel 10 seconds
Cast 1 second
Cooldown 1 hour
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instruments
Requires 1 spark
Its a buff castable on self or on others. Gives the target the capacity of auto-resurrect with 50% of normal exp loss and 50% mana/health. Buff duration 1 hour.
pros:
- wizards are finally somehow more useful in HH lol they can cast it on clerics so they can auto-resurrect in case of whipe.
- it can be done just once per hour, i think its a nice timing.
- wizards, everybody knows, are the class that dies more frequently, so they have now a chance not to call a cleric for ress everytime (if 50% of normal exp loss is good to you, making it 10% or even 0% would make this skill too OP in my opinion)
cons: i dont see any con... it isnt a skill that let wizards be OP over other classes, its just a help for everybody and a help improving the wizards usefulness for the squad's good.
Tell me what you think about it. b:thanks
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Um, cleric sage/demon revive are way better, and by level 100 you should have money for doll/scroll.
I think manifest virtue is meant for when they finally up the level cap (to 150 I heard), then wizard can have some insane max MP.0 -
50.0% exp loss.
That means when you auto ress while at 70% exp progres, you end up with 20%.... I think I rather run back from a town than that.
And really, I only die on squad wipes these days, or when I get ganked so bad I don't have time to run (which I usually have). You're doing something wrong if you feel you die alot at lvl 959 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris0 -
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lol maybe i explained the skill bad or you are the ones that didnt understand what i meant -.-
cap is level 105 and as much max mana is insane it will never be much more than a 1-spark eruption as mag attack increase
and about 50% i said 50% of normal exp loss upon dying, not 50% of total exp you have oO is it so strange to get lol like the lv10 cleric ress has 90% exp loss reduction, this skill has 50% instead of 90%.
and it IS NOT a ress skill, its like a buff that lasts 1 hour, and when u die with that buff u can auto-resurrect: its useful for example to use this buff on clerics, so if everyone dies in a istance the cleric can auto-resurrect with only 50% of normal exp loss and ress everybody else.
its NOT a auto-ress skill for WIZ only, you can cast it ON WHO U WANT, each hour u can cast it (1 hour cooldown)If you happy wanna be, against the wind you won't have to pee.
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Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »lol maybe i explained the skill bad or you are the ones that didnt understand what i meant -.-
cap is level 105 and as much max mana is insane it will never be much more than a 1-spark eruption as mag attack increase
and about 50% i said 50% of normal exp loss upon dying, not 50% of total exp you have oO is it so strange to get lol like the lv10 cleric ress has 90% exp loss reduction, this skill has 50% instead of 90%.
and it IS NOT a ress skill, its like a buff that lasts 1 hour, and when u die with that buff u can auto-resurrect: its useful for example to use this buff on clerics, so if everyone dies in a istance the cleric can auto-resurrect with only 50% of normal exp loss and ress everybody else.
its NOT a auto-ress skill for WIZ only, you can cast it ON WHO U WANT, each hour u can cast it (1 hour cooldown)
Gues I misunderstood than. Would actually be a verry sweet buf, though it sounds abit OP. Maybe it wouldn9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris0 -
Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »Gues I misunderstood than. Would actually be a verry sweet buf, though it sounds abit OP. Maybe it wouldn
well, wizards @ high level got already quite insane dmg, without any "manifest virtue" help (im still sure btw that manifest virtue is a totally useless skill, you can try in any PWI calculator, put up the best equip possible and best weapon possible, try to see the difference between manifest virtue and 1-spark eruption: they are pratically the same)
about the skill, it wont be OP cause it isnt a help for wiz to own more in pvp: its just a good help for everybody that is in party with the wizard in PVE, especially in istances like TT, frost, lunar, nirvana etc. this skill will FINALLY MAKE SOMEONE SAY "lets bring a wizard in party for TT" lol (usually archers are preferred for their hp debuff, venos for their pet's 100% dmg and blademasters for dragons and their ability to tank in certain circumstances)
about pvp, it has a 1 hour duration and 1 hour cooldown: this mean yea, u can ress immediatly after being killed, but just once every hour! thats not so OP i think, and btw with 50% hp/mp ress, (maybe better if 51%) your charms wont proc: this mean that u are a SUPEREASY oneshot if u try to ress immediatly after being killed and u'll get killed again,
so i dont think its OP for pvpIf you happy wanna be, against the wind you won't have to pee.
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oooooh i c! great buff idea... nu it doeznt really sound OP bc of the pvp server[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Thankiez to Dorset for the sig!
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Sounds awesome. with the addition of the tideborn and their DD potential and the psych's heal, it is starting to hurt the wizzy's rep.0
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Um, I did said that manifest virtue is meant for when THE LEVEL CAP IS RAISE (that means more than 105). Then it can be better than single spark.0
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As I said, you would afford easily doll/scroll. You can also ask any random cleric passing by (you should not die so much that the hassle is significant).
I got a better idea:
Apex of Agony:
Steal all buffs from enemy in 15metre around you for yourself. Buffs that normally don't stack will now stack on you. Also give you a buff "Apex" for 15sec, in which all damage you dealt will be amplified by (max MP*buff stolen)/100000 addictively. Stolen buffs cannot be purged (an attempt to purge only remove buff "Apex" and your own other buff). After 15sec, buff "Apex" will disappear, and stolen buff returned to their original owner, and buff that normally do not stack can no longer stacked together. If the owner have recast a stolen buff before it is returned, the stolen will simply disappear.
Cost 2 Spark. Cooldown 15mins.0 -
As I said, you would afford easily doll/scroll. You can also ask any random cleric passing by (you should not die so much that the hassle is significant).
I got a better idea:
Apex of Agony:
Steal all buffs from enemy in 15metre around you for yourself. Buffs that normally don't stack will now stack on you. Also give you a buff "Apex" for 15sec, in which all damage you dealt will be amplified by (max MP*buff stolen)/100000 addictively. Stolen buffs cannot be purged (an attempt to purge only remove buff "Apex" and your own other buff). After 15sec, buff "Apex" will disappear, and stolen buff returned to their original owner, and buff that normally do not stack can no longer stacked together. If the owner have recast a stolen buff before it is returned, the stolen will simply disappear.
Cost 2 Spark. Cooldown 15mins.
you still dont get the meaning of my skill lol
you can cast it on OTHERS!!!! this mean u can let the cleric auto-ress if the whole party die in istance. THATS the meaning.
and without buying any scroll, very few clerics buy scrolls, and btw scrolls costs some money, who must give those money to the cleric? the whole party? no.. it simply is treated as a free-cleric gift. and thats not fair.
btw ur skill is in my opinion a bit useless as a wizard would prefer using those 2 sparks for oneshotting aoe instead of stealing buffs. and btw the roles of this buff-debuff are very complex and i dont think its really easy to realise in terms of programmingIf you happy wanna be, against the wind you won't have to pee.
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Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »you still dont get the meaning of my skill lol
you can cast it on OTHERS!!!! this mean u can let the cleric auto-ress if the whole party die in istance. THATS the meaning.
and without buying any scroll, very few clerics buy scrolls, and btw scrolls costs some money, who must give those money to the cleric? the whole party? no.. it simply is treated as a free-cleric gift. and thats not fair.
btw ur skill is in my opinion a bit useless as a wizard would prefer using those 2 sparks for oneshotting aoe instead of stealing buffs. and btw the roles of this buff-debuff are very complex and i dont think its really easy to realise in terms of programming
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Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »you still dont get the meaning of my skill lol
you can cast it on OTHERS!!!! this mean u can let the cleric auto-ress if the whole party die in istance. THATS the meaning.
and without buying any scroll, very few clerics buy scrolls, and btw scrolls costs some money, who must give those money to the cleric? the whole party? no.. it simply is treated as a free-cleric gift. and thats not fair.
btw ur skill is in my opinion a bit useless as a wizard would prefer using those 2 sparks for oneshotting aoe instead of stealing buffs. and btw the roles of this buff-debuff are very complex and i dont think its really easy to realise in terms of programming
I still don't think it is a good skill. If you don't want the cleric to waste money on scroll, either bring 2 cleric, or give her free scroll after she is rev. Anyone at level 100 would rather bring guardian scroll than to suffer the exp loss, which your suggested level 100 skill only save 50%, autorez scroll is only 50k.
If anything, the level 100 skill should enable us to do something we normally don't, rather than just a cheaper alternative than what we have been able to do. Elemental Invocation, while not particularly good, still enable us to do something more: burn the target's chi; that is something you cannot do otherwise unless you go demon.
If you want to replace manifest virtue, it should be something different, for example a tricky buff that can work on other, a nasty debuff, a powerful control skill, a selfbuff to maximize DPS, or a spell with strange effect; rather than something we can already do.0 -
I still don't think it is a good skill. If you don't want the cleric to waste money on scroll, either bring 2 cleric, or give her free scroll after she is rev. Anyone at level 100 would rather bring guardian scroll than to suffer the exp loss, which your suggested level 100 skill only save 50%, autorez scroll is only 50k.
If anything, the level 100 skill should enable us to do something we normally don't, rather than just a cheaper alternative than what we have been able to do. Elemental Invocation, while not particularly good, still enable us to do something more: burn the target's chi; that is something you cannot do otherwise unless you go demon.
If you want to replace manifest virtue, it should be something different, for example a tricky buff that can work on other, a nasty debuff, a powerful control skill, a selfbuff to maximize DPS, or a spell with strange effect; rather than something we can already do.
I wrote it should be a 79 skill... of course @ lv100 it isnt that goodVorhs - Lost City wrote: »lv 79 SKILL (instead maybe of elemental shell, that can be changed into a lv100 skill)
and it should replace elemental shell, that will become a lv 100 skill instead of manifest virtue.. or better change it into something better as u saidIf you happy wanna be, against the wind you won't have to pee.
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@ the OP, I think your using essential sutra and using your power skills and maybe thats your problem. I make my wiz heal / tank / crowd control which is a heck of a lot easier. Don't use essential sutra combo with attack skills unless your tanking magic foes.Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »50.0% exp loss.
That means when you auto ress while at 70% exp progres, you end up with 20%.... I think I rather run back from a town than that.
And really, I only die on squad wipes these days, or when I get ganked so bad I don't have time to run (which I usually have). You're doing something wrong if you feel you die alot at lvl 95
I think he means half the exp you lose from death, not 50%. Its like a LVL5 cleric rev. The OP wants to have an auto resurrect, which sort of mess with clerics there.
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Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »The OP wants to have an auto resurrect, which sort of mess with clerics there.
I'd say no to this skill, only clerics should be the one reviving.
I DONT want to be capable of auto-resurrect myself, i just like to be capable to let OTHERS be capable of auto-resurrect each hour.
1 auto-ress each hour isnt that overpowerend and dont steal the cleric work.
example: we are in HH 3-3, i set this skill on one of the 2 clerics before the boss, we try and everyone dies (total whipe). now, instead of calling another cleric, leave the party and join back... all the frustrating process... the cleric with the buff i set can resurrect himself, then he can ress all the others of the party... faster and it isnt OP and he will lose only like a LV5 cleric ress.
AFTER this process, we CANT do that again, cause my buff skill will still be in cooldown (1 hour cooldown)
so this skill simply gives to the party a second chance, but just a second one, if we die again we HAVE to call a third cleric.
obviously my isnt a ressing skill, its a buff, so its castable ONLY on living ppl, i CANT cast on dead ppl to let them revive.
i dont think this skill would steal the cleric work.. absolutelyIf you happy wanna be, against the wind you won't have to pee.
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hmm...
wiz calls cleric to go lunar/TT/frost
cleric doesn't has guardian scrolls.
wizard tell him it's okie he has an auto revive skill
cleric goes into lunar/TT/frost
wiz casts auto revive buff.
party suffers wipe
cleric auto revives immediately in aggro range of boss, gets killed again.
Total exp loss: 150%
excellent!
me think they'll so implement this.
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MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »cleric auto revives immediately in aggro range of boss, gets killed again.
Total exp loss: 150%
excellent!
me think they'll so implement this.
80% of bosses are pulled out of their initial position, so there isnt such a risk in 80% of the cases.. and in the rest 20% of the cases it should be cleric role to stay as far as possible from the boss... btw its just squad work. i think this skill will work good if players know how to use it.
btw obviously the skills's stat like the percentages can be changed lol, i just gave an idea... then u can make it 10% exp loss or 0%... its ok for me... i said 50% just cause i dont wanna this skill to replace the cleric ress when the wizard die in solo.If you happy wanna be, against the wind you won't have to pee.
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try it by yourself lol:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e3bfd9b662f6dffd
go in "skill" list and put on singularly "manifest virtue" and SINGULAR spark eruption:
even with the best MP gear possible the 1 spark eruption still wins!
it needs to be changed -_- and my skill idea isnt bad imho
(of course my skill should be a lv79 skill, so an actual lv79 skill (like elemental shell for example) should become a lv100 skill, to take "manifest virtue" place.
Then, if some of you has some cool idea to replace elemental shell (cause its not that powerful as lv100 skill), come on tell your ideas!If you happy wanna be, against the wind you won't have to pee.
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