Top Giulds are too full?

we dont need them doubling b:shocked

2 Essence's b:boredb:surprised

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Dont really think being in a big TW faction is much fun at low 9X anyway. You wont get into TW, hard to find people to do BH90 with and farm TT90 stuff since most actives are 99+

This is what a lot of people don't realize. Level requirements aren't about being snobby. Whether it's 30+, 60+, or 95+, it's about finding people who fit well into the group and will be able to do things together. I get PM's daily from level 60's wanting to join YaKuZa. I had a level 28 BM wanting to leave SG1 and come to us b:laugh. It just doesn't make sense. And we're a lot more flexible on level than you guys are, but not that flexible. b:chuckle

Munsu - Lost City wrote: »

Why is the guild Yakuza being mentioned in a thread with the words "Top Guild"? (it actually says Top Giulds, but w/e >_>)

Does not compute b:shocked

Why are you wasting time on these forums if you still haven't learned to comprehend what you read? I mentioned level requirements. As it happens, I'm in YaKuZa, which is neither here nor there and really has nothing to do with what I wrote. Do your homework.

drjiggle wrote: »

This is what a lot of people don't realize. Level requirements aren't about being snobby. Whether it's 30+, 60+, or 95+, it's about finding people who fit well into the group and will be able to do things together. I get PM's daily from level 60's wanting to join YaKuZa. I had a level 28 BM wanting to leave SG1 and come to us b:laugh. It just doesn't make sense. And we're a lot more flexible on level than you guys are, but not that flexible. b:chuckle

Levels is not everything, but at some point it just wont work if you're far to low. Whats the point trying to join 8X-9X faction at lvl 26 when all you can do is cry for help in guild chatt O_O

Yakuza is actually the faction randoms will try to join after getting no from Spec/Essence or Kami i noticed b:surrender

I talked to enough randoms in search of big faction to know lol, they all follow same pattern. Atm its:

Spectral
Essence
Kami
Yakuza

Seems Spec is currently the first option for random people that just wanna try to be in a big organized faction. Most likely since Spec has been on a winning streak in TW kicking Essence/Kamis butts b:cry.

rukhmath wrote: »

Well, i wouldn't say "kicking their butts" to essence......Wars with them are really hard, and more often than not, could go either way.....b:surrender

Anyway, back on topic.
Making a second faction wouldn't work, because the appeal of the existing top factions, is their lands, strength and existing people.
Making a secondary faction would just be making another "background" statusless faction that we see everyday in wc recruiting low lvls......defeats the whole purpose.
The way to the elite is basically pretty much set in stone at this stage of the game.

1.) Get to lvl 30, join the "newly formed and enthusiastic to help" guild, get help with ridiculous bosses...chin,suzerix, etc.

2.) Get to 70, leave former guild, join the "lowest tier, but at least recognised" factions, Samura, Nagare, etc. get help with fb 69, 79.

3.) Get to 85, Leave former guild, join 2nd tier faction, You could choose to stay here all the way actually, they are good guilds, Koi, ThaClick, etc.

4.) If it was always your dream to join one of the top factions, then make sure, u got your gear, weapon, refines, event items, etc while u were in your previous guild, 95+ Apply to the faction of your choice.

This is how it has been.
This is how it will be. I don't see changes coming anytime soon........Then again...I'm no prophetb:surrender

Nub wannabes will join secondary guilds to eventually join the main guild it has worked on multiple servers PVP and PVE.

2.) Get to 70, leave former guild, join the "lowest tier, but at least recognised" factions, Samura, Nagare, etc. get help with fb 69, 79.

b:sad

But but...

Nagare is mostly 9x Hater. b:infuriated

Erm now-a-days it has very little to do with lvl. 9x/10x who hypered/oracled/CS/3 bh a day'd themselves in a week are aplenty. At this point if a person wants in a huge TW guild with salary, they better be cashopping like a **** or farming till their fingers fall off. You can't get into those guilds without good skills, refined gear and refined weps, good shards, and experience.

And if you're mostly a PvE char...forget it. Or at least you better have done enough TW and PvP to know what you're doing in a PvP situation.






oh and btw, I do have some issues with your tier list. Large guilds that attract high level players that don't want to PvP all the time or do major TW are not "lower tier." They are different types of guilds for different types of players.

Like if you want practice in PvP and want good experience with TW to get into these "top guilds", why the hell would you join a guild like Nagare? Nagare is a large guild with high lvls that is aimed more at PvE and some pkk, but not TW every weekend. If a 9/10x player wants to be more PvE based, thats one of the "top tier" places to go. if a 9/10x player wants to do TW/major PvP, then they should go to "top tier" PvP guilds like Kami, Spec, ect.

In other words, take the PvE based guilds outta your tier list, and replace them with rpk/TW guilds that accept lower lvls. There are plenty of them around. I just feel it would be best to gain pk experience from a guild that was better equipped to teach you that than joining a guild that doesn't seriously rpk....




Edit: That was for rukhmath, btw....and its just my opinion dun flame me >.>

rukhmath wrote: »

I wan't flaming anyone.....Jeeez, fine fine, strike nagare off the list.b:surrender

Btw, your comments on pve orientated factions......ummm....abit off imho. You know what server this is?b:chuckle

rofl no no no i didn't think you were flaming!....i added that to others who might post, not you!!! I used nagare cause twil said they were 9x. All I saying is I didn't think it made sense to join a 9x guild that seems to be more PvE when by that lvl you could already join your "second/top tier" list.
(and I consiter a fac more PvE when they concentrate more on lvling/mobs/bosses/ect than serious PvP/TW...I know they have a KoS but I don't think the vast majority of that guild pks...at all...)

Kattelyn - Lost City wrote: »

Erm now-a-days it has very much to do with lvl. 9x/10x who hypered/oracled/CS/3 bh a day'd themselves in a week are aplenty. At this point if a person wants in a huge TW guild with salary, they better be cashopping like a **** or farming till their fingers fall off. You can get into those guilds without good skills.

*wall of text*

fixed

btw i heard rumors about kami raising min lv to at least lv99 soon...
buy hyperstones or leave...b:bye

TOS 11 (n) is recruiting.

IJS

Kattelyn - Lost City wrote: »

Erm now-a-days it has very little to do with lvl. 9x/10x who hypered/oracled/CS/3 bh a day'd themselves in a week are aplenty. At this point if a person wants in a huge TW guild with salary, they better be cashopping like a **** or farming till their fingers fall off. You can't get into those guilds without good skills, refined gear and refined weps, good shards, and experience.

Thats very much true. People go for 90-100+ in a couple of weeks, but totally neglecting upgrading gear and skills wasting all money on Hyper stones. Than they're 99+ and normally look like this:


http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3cbbe2a67d9f9bb1

And starts pming top 3 factions for an invite so they can get help with 99 stuff + Nirvana + get salary and experience TW. But no one wants them since even a low 9X with good gear and demon/sage skills is far more useful for a faction. So it really doesn't have anything to do with levels anymore. Its 100% about gear and your ability to cash shop/ make money in game for refines/gear/skills.

So unless you're pro at merchandising/farming for money or can cash shop a lot, you will never get in a big faction. Just the way it is. No one wants financially poor and badly geared players that only needs help, even if they're 100+ b:bye

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

I agree but... financially poor? I know several people who could put many cash shoppers here to shame but realize anything more than 20$ a month for this service is far too kind.

As in financially poor in game, they might be living in Castle with 30 sports car for all i know, wont matter if they dont have coins to get decent refines.

If someone doesn't wanna spend irl money on this rather average video game (which is fully understandable) to get better gear but also lack any necessary method to acquire money in game, they will never be welcome in a big competitive TW faction. Doesnt matter if they're like 101+ and super nice.

You can have a really nice and well-geared/skilled character without spending a penny on this game i know. I haven't cash shopped much either but i still managed to +10 several things since im a total pve-geek that lives in HH and have cat shops. But in most cases, people that hit lvl 100 in like 4 weeks of hyper exp have no clue how to make coins.

Most the people who apply to Kamisama have like +3 gear.

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

As in financially poor in game, they might be living in Castle with 30 sports car for all i know, wont matter if they dont have coins to get decent refines.

If someone doesn't wanna spend irl money on this rather average video game (which is fully understandable) to get better gear but also lack any necessary method to acquire money in game, they will never be welcome in a big competitive TW faction. Doesnt matter if they're like 101+ and super nice.

You can have a really nice and well-geared/skilled character without spending a penny on this game i know. I haven't cash shopped much either but i still managed to +10 several things since im a total pve-geek that lives in HH and have cat shops. But in most cases, people that hit lvl 100 in like 4 weeks of hyper exp have no clue how to make coins.

only used mirages at territory officers(at least till +5)? b:shutup