Why do venos want agro?

releasing the cleric so they can debuff and dd.

otherwise just makes life simple and is easy.

i would rather tank things on mine then have a barb (example: frost and hh)

I don't want aggro unless that's how the group rolls - so if the Barb is there as tank, he tanks, i lure. If he also has Zeal and wants to lure, I just buff him, throw some chi on bosses and do other things.
TBH, if that's how we roll, I'm fine with it, too, coz I'm lazy.

1 thing, only noob veno uses roar on herc. waste of her money and she will die really quickly when aggro is lost.

don't listen to her, she's crazy.

i want my tiger to tank for me b:kissb:kiss

So my question is sometimes I get told by a veno in a party to quit stealing the agro...the only response I have gotten from them while partied up is "My herc has roar" .... Ok what does that mean?

It depends of the boss you are killing, the way the venomancer plays, the way the squad plays...

If you let the venomancer tank with a pet, its true that cleric and barbarian are free to DD. But is that a good thing? can the venomancer heal handle the pet alive? also, its easier for members in squad to steal agro from a herc when you compare with a barbarian same level getting "lend handed" (venomancer skill that transfer chi to someone else, which means extra chi to the barbarian and furthemore better tanking job from a barbarian). Also, can the venomancer for example heal his tanking pet while at least amplify damage (20% more damage for 20 seconds, cooldown 30 seconds) the boss?

Or in the other hand... Its better to just let cleric heal, barbarian tanking, let the venomancer amplify damage and also myriad the boss, which means more damage from all squad? Also since a barbarian holds agro better than a herc with same level (a barbarian with good items not running around with NPC stuff), the squad could usually do a little more damage without be afraid of stealing agro?

There isn't any true answer to your question, it really depends of the way a venomancer wants to play in a squad, the boss you are about to go kill, etc etc...

If you ask my personal opinion, It depends only in the answers do this questions:

"Can I heal my herc and keep amplify damage up on boss?"
If yes, I dont mind at all to tank with herc.

"If I am tanking with herc, I need to heal him non stop?"
If yes, then I prefer not to be tanking with him but instead doing normal DD damage, using amplify and myriad to cut the boss life points faster.

"Does the boss AOE? and for high damage on my venomancer?"

If yes, since I cannot go near him to amplify the boss, then I prefer to keep my distance. since I cannot keep a amplify or usually lend hand (give chi) to the barbarian tanking without entering the AOE range of the boss.

Hope this helped you even if only a littleb:cute

Tad and I have been a team since we began playing over a well year ago and he's always said his job is aggro. I've always said my job is to keep his furry butt alive. It's worked for quite a while. When we are in an FB or BH with others nothing gets him more upset than someone else stealing HIS aggro especially if it's me. b:shutup I see talk about saving the barb coins by pulling aggro from him and doing the tanking. He'll be the first to tell you he expects his gear to get chewed up. It goes with the territory so in his case, that argument is specious. Most of the time I really think it's more of a macho thing on the part of 'male' venos. b:chuckle

Most venos I've squadded with are lazy or weak, so you're better off using them as a tank than a debuffer or DD. Many fail to grasp the dynamics of the game and assume that our class always determines our roles. Recently there have been many times where I, not my pet become the tank.

i prefer to tank on veno so i dun have to turn into fox form every 30 seconds to amplify...i can just stay in fox form all time
and in tts if barb wants to tank then he better spam agro skills than let my herc die every time he gets agro....herc food aint that cheap

I've run into a lot of incompetent BMs, clerics, and barbs in squads and if I honestly don't want to die, I tank. Its a lot easier to hold aggro from the beginning than to try to regain it when whoever is tanking is about to die (usually a lazy cleric). And I have never had any problem healing, DDing, and hitting amplify as needed.

And my barb hubby likes for me to tank so his repair bills aren't breaking the bank.

a TT run may cost > 100k to a barb. enough a reason to let a veno tank when she's confident.

roar is a massive aggro skill but deals no damage. that's why many venos prefer bash, as it adds minimal aggro but deals plenty of damage. back when I played wizard my opinion was that roar was far superior as I could never grab aggro from a herc with that skill, unlike hercs with bash. well... I guess a comparison with an archer or bm with fists would be more reliable.

Roar = temporary large aggro (note the temporary)
Bash = exponential aggro (increasing with each bash hit)

It's already been discussed many times that overall, bash is better.

Ok, I found one more place that makes me say (half in jest) "You stealin mah aggros!"

Trashmobs.

I know, almost to the exact one, how many I can take. I can control a given number of melee mobs and (fewer, usually one) ranged mob.

If I'm doing that, and people pile on and DD carefully, everything is just fine.

If, whilst I'm doing that, someone takes aggro - then everything is in the air. Probably, usually, all that happens is that whoever takes aggro is now also tanking some of them and will need healing.

Sometimes they might cause the ranged mob to run - and then it's a bit of manoeuvring to keep that under control without accidentally drawing in some more adds.

But if they used alpha-male or roar - then half a dozen mobs are now running around attacking whoever they feel like.

And that doesn't usually end well. Since my pet doesn't have any equivalent of roar or alpha and can't get them back, there's lots of running around and drawing of adds and...

So just like anyone who is tanking - if I expect aggro to do one thing and it actually does another, then bad things can happen.
If someone else wants to be tank, that's fine. Great!

But make sure you tell me! If I'm being the tank, then don't steal - or if you DO steal, then steal carefully.

On bosses it's not a huge problem. Worst case maybe a DD dies. I mean, if my pet can tank it then any halfassed tank can tank it.
If my pet takes aggro on something it can't tank, then my pet dies, I curse slightly and aggro goes back to the tank. It's no biggie on bosses.

But be polite. Ask to borrow my aggro and I'll happily give it to you. I don't have any particularly clever use for it - I can bramble whoever has it.
But if you steal it whilst it's in play.... bad things can sometimes happen.