New cleric, need some help.

lol u do knew in cleric description it dosen say a cleric is a DD we have ton of those alredy
90% of ppl wana we dd and play all classes well anyways just knew a cleric aint a dd

we only need 2 not die there or many way to do this hibrid comes 2 mind here
just cos some think pure is the best is why no way best for all

she told u all mag well let me give u the vit build instead

3vit 1str 6mag each 2 lv we dont reallly need more mag 2 use up 2 date weapon
and the vit will help u take a little more beating comepare 2 pure

Don't forget to kite especially going full mag.

The debate is usually between Light vs Arcane. I say go arcane. However, I cannot speak for LA at lower levels since I've always been arcane, so take that opinion as you see fit.

Wear arcane, and don't kite unless you have no other choice - I've only ever found it useful at lower levels against increased life / increased physical resistance mobs. Against normal mobs at worst you'll take 1-2 hits, easily tankable even without vit. If you take more, mix an IH into your attack scheme now and then.

PinkSuccubuS - Lost City wrote: »

lol u do knew in cleric description it dosen say a cleric is a DD we have ton of those alredy
90% of ppl wana we dd and play all classes

*looks at plumeshot, cyclone, razor feathers, wield thunder, thunderball, siren's kiss, elemental seal, dimensional seal, RB, tempest, and metal mastery*
*arches eyebrow*

Wear arcane, and don't kite unless you have no other choice - I've only ever found it useful at lower levels against increased life / increased physical resistance mobs. Against normal mobs at worst you'll take 1-2 hits, easily tankable even without vit. If you take more, mix an IH into your attack scheme now and then.

Light Armor offers considerably higher defense against physical damage, freeing up those precious equipment slots for HP rather than defense. That said, you do suffer slightly reduced MAG. Considering, however, that the bulk of your magical attack power comes from your weapon this is generally only a minor difference unless compared to "Pure Mag" builds which will have significantly higher damage, but far lower survivability.

And there is absolutely NO shame in kiting. There's a reason that spells like Great Cyclone have a slow effect added in! Use it to your advantage, keep your distance from strong enemies and use every skill in your arsenal. Anyone who lets themselves get hit when they can avoid it either has the HP to survive it or the potions to soak it up.

Plume Shield greatly enhances our physical defense, but at the cost of MP. At lower levels this is a bit pricey and until you reach sage/demon level skill you'll never have a 1:1 HP to MP ratio, so it can still cause issues if you're wearing arcane armor with extremely low defense. Without enough MP, Plume Shield cannot and WILL not absorb damage, leaving you at the mercy of the enemy without even so much as an Ironheart to heal yourself. Be careful not to overuse it unless you have an abundance of potions.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

What is wrong with kiting if you got physical mob coming at you?You would do that vs a BM or Sin.

I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with kiting, but I agree with FatherTed in that I haven't had much/any need for it wearing arcane using a vit/mag build (roughly 7mag 2 vit 1 str). Yes we are squishy, but using IH allows me to fight most mobs my lvl wihtout the need to run around. I'd rather just stand there and laugh as I kill them instead of playing "tag" = )

And yeah, mana management is probably the hardest part of being a solo cleric. Become friends with the herbs, at least until you hit 75 for event food

The ONLY reason I can see kiting being useful on a regular basis is to save money, although you sacrifice time. I'm not trying to slight the people who do it - but if you have enough dexterity IRL to hit 3 buttons instead of 2, there's no reason to kite other than the instances I mentioned. Attack, attack, heal, attack attack, heal = mob dead. I see no reason to throw a bunch of running around into that.

As far as light armor - for PvE I can't imagine why people do it. I tried up to a mid level on an alt and it just sucked from every end. My phys res was a bit higher, but that only came into play cause I couldn't kill the mobs before they hit me. My crit rate was a bit higher, but I'll sacrifice crit rate for higher average damage and stronger heals. For PvP maybe - although I would tend more towards a higher vit arcane build, but I guess on that end it's personal preference.

Admittedly I'm pure PvE so I won't claim to give advice on TW clerics or clerics on PvP servers - but at level 94 I have 15 base vit (cause I can't afford the reset stone to get rid of 10 vit) and wear arcane armor, I almost never kite anything, and I almost never use plume shell . . . and if something can kill me it's usually because I wasn't paying attention.

And again, I disagree completely with the idea that kiting is essential for grinding at any level . . . but as we are clearly not going to agree I won't keep repeating why I think that.

For the life of me I can't think of a single time I ever kited in an instance tho.

Other games you have played have absolutely no bearing on this conversation. We aren't discussing other games, we are discussing clerics in PWI. PvP also has no direct bearing on this conversation as I was speaking about PvE/grinding.

If you have 8 mobs coming after you, kiting isn't as effective as flying away (or running away in an instance) If that's the case either you were careless (if grinding) or someone screwed up badly (in an instance.) Either way kiting isn't gonna save you - you either flee or die. Unless you are in a lower level instance as a higher level player in which case you just nuke the mobs and go about your business.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

You said it here flee which is form of kiting or just die.I prefer not to be beaten on but I know what you are talking about when pve grinding on mobs just fire at them unless they are wolfen spear at Broken Blow Bluff.

Fleeing isn't kiting. In kiting, you intend to come back and kill the mob. In fleeing, you just run and hope they lose aggro without killing you first.

I've added about 15-20 vit on this character, and I can't think of a single time when I've felt the need to kite. I think it's just a playstyle difference though. I prefer to use IH and negate the damage than run so I'm not hit at all. Plus, I never really got the hang of kiting, so I tend to kite myself into more mobs. b:surrender

In this game, kiting is for wizards, not clerics. Wizards have a fast channel aoe knockback skill, AND a teleport skill; kiting is virtually built into the class. All clerics have is cyclone, which slows a mob. I would much rather just keep blasting until the mob is dead, even if it means I have to use a heal, than try to run and cast a spell every 5 seconds or so. Seems like such a huge waste.