Chienkun Stones
Evga - Sanctuary
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This is win
http://pwi.perfectworld.com/news/?p=25661
now i have a question, how many stone does this consume?
# Forges at the Palace of Nirvana - Chienkun Stones can be used here with the Recast and Quench tabs to keep your gears' refines and sockets as you upgrade them to Nirvana-quality!
and also this
# Elder NPCs- Chienkun Stones can be used in Refinement to eliminate the failed Refinement penalty (i.e. your Refinement level will not go down if you fail).
are they fix amount or are they dependent on the item?
http://pwi.perfectworld.com/news/?p=25661
now i have a question, how many stone does this consume?
# Forges at the Palace of Nirvana - Chienkun Stones can be used here with the Recast and Quench tabs to keep your gears' refines and sockets as you upgrade them to Nirvana-quality!
and also this
# Elder NPCs- Chienkun Stones can be used in Refinement to eliminate the failed Refinement penalty (i.e. your Refinement level will not go down if you fail).
are they fix amount or are they dependent on the item?
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Simple answer: wait till after maintenance to find out. Many people in game are saying 10 gold for 1 refine level, but who knows.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Oh wow... this is pretty big.
GMs stated at one point they'd never bring them into the game. I think the lack of overall interest for Nirvana may have changed their minds.
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Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »
and also this
# Elder NPCs- Chienkun Stones can be used in Refinement to eliminate the failed Refinement penalty (i.e. your Refinement level will not go down if you fail).
it stated elder npc...but my question is does it work also with the land officer? I hope it does >.<[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Maiya - Lost City wrote: »Simple answer: wait till after maintenance to find out. Many people in game are saying 10 gold for 1 refine level, but who knows.
gosh.. it will be like only (:p) 100 gold to keep +10 refines. Possibly the higher the refines, the more worthwhile the chienkun stones will be. Then again, as said, we will only know after maintenance.0 -
Its pretty costly if i remember my weapon/armor transfers from Malaysian server.
When 1 transfered my wizards +8 weapon to her new HH99 crit sword on MY-EN, the amount of Chienkun stones needed was about 45/50% of the price it would have cost me to get Draco orbs 1-8.
So i think in many cases it will still be cheaper to use mirages and tisha/tienkung for lower refines. Transferring will only be worth it if its above +6 or so. Im just guessing tho since i have no clue what they will cost in this version.0 -
http://wenda.tianya.cn/wenda/thread?tid=3e0fffe405c0f166
First number is the refine number and the second number is the stones required.
1 - 1
2 - 5
3 -12
4 - 28
5 - 60
6 - 80
7 - 100
8 - 150
9 - 250
10 - 400
11 - 650
12 - 1000
It costs 1 gold in PW China server for each stone.
It ain't cheap. It might be cheaper to use orbs to refine all over again for some refine levels. +10 weapons probably will be cheaper to just use orbs + 3x +10 orbs when they come around again. Not sure, too lazy to do the math.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »http://wenda.tianya.cn/wenda/thread?tid=3e0fffe405c0f166
First number is the refine number and the second number is the stones required.
1 - 1
2 - 5
3 -12
4 - 28
5 - 60
6 - 80
7 - 100
8 - 150
9 - 250
10 - 400
11 - 650
12 - 1000
It costs 1 gold in PW China server for each stone.
It ain't cheap. It might be cheaper to use orbs to refine all over again for some refine levels. +10 weapons probably will be cheaper to just use orbs + 3x +10 orbs when they come around again. Not sure, too lazy to do the math.
lol, if your numbers are true, then it's worthless to use it. It's only worthwhile if you only need 1 stone for every single trial.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
China and the US have different currencies, wait for the pricing over here to be published before judging the cost.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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At the absolute minimum it will have to cost the price of a 1 star orb.0
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I'm more interested in the "No penalty for failed refinement" effect. Will it be one stone for this effect? Or will it vary for each refine level?
Guess I'll have to wait and see.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »I'm more interested in the "No penalty for failed refinement" effect. Will it be one stone for this effect? Or will it vary for each refine level?
Guess I'll have to wait and see.
It just decreases the chances of success.
It will be a 100% chance at +1, 25% chance for +2, 10% chance for +3, 4% chance for +4 etc..
On average you need 1 for +1, 4 for +2, 10 for +3, 25 for +4.... same as dragon orbs.
You can verify here: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12980
I think these will be same cost as dragon orb.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »It just decreases the chances of success.
So they're relatively worthless. +1-3 on mirages +4 with Tienkung, and +5 and higher with Tishas....I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
So they're completely useless in that sense.Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »It just decreases the chances of success.
It will be a 100% chance at +1, 25% chance for +2, 10% chance for +3, 4% chance for +4 etc..
On average you need 1 for +1, 4 for +2, 10 for +3, 25 for +4.... same as dragon orbs.
You can verify here: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12980
I think these will be same cost as dragon orb.
Less than a 1% success rate for +5, no thx, would be cheaper to refine with dragon orbs.
Think I'll stick to my Tisha stones.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Hmm. That means, on average, the following numbers of Chienkuns for success, just for the refine from +(x-1) to +x:Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »It just decreases the chances of success.
It will be a 100% chance at +1, 25% chance for +2, 10% chance for +3, 4% chance for +4 etc..
On average you need 1 for +1, 4 for +2, 10 for +3, 25 for +4.... same as dragon orbs.
You can verify here: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12980
I think these will be same cost as dragon orb.
+1: 1
+2: 4
+3: 10
+4: 25
+5: 60
+6: 130
+7: 213
+8: 400
+9: 769
+10: 1429
+11: 2500
+12: 5000
Will have to wait and see the prices of Chienkuns to determine if they're any use.0 -
i'm wondering how this will effect TW.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Assuming the same price as Tienkangs / Tishas / Dragon Orbs, I think all these stones will do game-balance wise is burst the bubbles of a lot of those who kept asking for them.
When they weren't available, people assumed that they were cheap and easy refining transfers, but they never were.
Still, it's nice to have more options, even if those options are in reality only about 1/100th as good as the hype that surrounded them when they weren't available.
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Preliminary calculations shows that they do seem to be better than high level Dragon Orbs for high level refining. Basically, they take over where Tishas leave off, so Mirage, then Tienkang, then Tisha, then Chienkun appears to now be the cheapest way to refine to +12. I'll have to double check the numbers, though...
As for transferring refines, the magic number appears to be +8. Anything +6 or less is cheaper to refine from scratch, while +7 is somewhat break-even, since you lose the re-sale value of your original item. People who had high level refines like +10 or higher are going to really benefit from being able to transfer their refines, but those who had +7 or less receive no benefit. Again, I'll have to double check my numbers to confirm...
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Nope, I was wrong. Upon further inspection of my numbers, Chienkun Stones are worse than high level Dragon Orbs for refining. This means that their only real use is for +8 or greater refining transfers.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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From what I can c the main point of this stones is to allow ppl to recast nirvana without losing refines.0
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WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »Assuming the same price as Tienkangs / Tishas / Dragon Orbs, I think all these stones will do game-balance wise is burst the bubbles of a lot of those who kept asking for them.
When they weren't available, people assumed that they were cheap and easy refining transfers, but they never were.
Still, it's nice to have more options, even if those options are in reality only about 1/100th as good as the hype that surrounded them when they weren't available.
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Preliminary calculations shows that they do seem to be better than high level Dragon Orbs for high level refining. Basically, they take over where Tishas leave off, so Mirage, then Tienkang, then Tisha, then Chienkun appears to now be the cheapest way to refine to +12. I'll have to double check the numbers, though...
As for transferring refines, the magic number appears to be +8. Anything +6 or less is cheaper to refine from scratch, while +7 is somewhat break-even, since you lose the re-sale value of your original item. People who had high level refines like +10 or higher are going to really benefit from being able to transfer their refines, but those who had +7 or less receive no benefit. Again, I'll have to double check my numbers to confirm...
To refine from +0 to +12 using dragon orbs each time only costs 740 gold, so would really need to be cheap with regards to chienkun stones to actually be worthwhile. Only people paying the stupid tax might see benefit, unless the cost is relatively low.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
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Not seeing where you're getting 740 from.Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »To refine from +0 to +12 using dragon orbs each time only costs 740 gold, so would really need to be cheap with regards to chienkun stones to actually be worthwhile. Only people paying the stupid tax might see benefit, unless the cost is relatively low.
Spreadsheet says around 1420, even assuming a +10 orb sale at 75 gold each.0 -
Chienkun stones are fail. It's cheaper to refine with orbs than to transfer a refine. lolI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0
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Ahaha, it's ridiculous. Just checked some of my gears with +1, +2 and +3. 1 stone, 4 stones and 12 stones, respectively. Hooray for paying 3.6 million to transfer +3!
The damn Chienkun Stone is 3 times as expensive as a 1-star Orb.If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »It just decreases the chances of success.
It will be a 100% chance at +1, 25% chance for +2, 10% chance for +3, 4% chance for +4 etc..
On average you need 1 for +1, 4 for +2, 10 for +3, 25 for +4.... same as dragon orbs.
You can verify here: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12980
I think these will be same cost as dragon orb.
Yay for being worthless .
Now PWI , how about them rankings ? It's been some time now .It's all about LoL,yo.0 -
These stones good for this reason and this reason alone:
Refinery Lv. will not decrease if the refinery fails.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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The %success of a Chienkun Stone is 100/Number of Dragonorbs required for the Level being attempted
ie +2 Orb needs 4 1*orbs 100/4 =25%
+3 Orb needs 10 1* Orbs 100/10 =10%
IF Chienkuns were the same price as Tishas/Tienkangs then they wouild be a straightforward gamble BUT as they cost 1gold as opposed to 0.3gold you would need to be smoking the same as the person who thought up the price to use them for refining.
For refining transfer they only become cost effective at +8 and over and thats assuming you dont sell the soure piece of equipment to offset normal dragon orb cost0 -
Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »To refine from +0 to +12 using dragon orbs each time only costs 740 gold, so would really need to be cheap with regards to chienkun stones to actually be worthwhile. Only people paying the stupid tax might see benefit, unless the cost is relatively low.
LOL!!! ONLY 740 gold......... 740 dollars... or 259,000,000 coin at 350k per gold........0 -
You guys are missing the real point of these stones which is transferring your refines when re-casting your gear into Nirvana.
The cost to transfer your refines at the forges is cheaper than trying to transfer your refines through the PW agent. I had my friend test it and transferring a +5 was eight stones. So that's 8 gold compared to the 27 it would take without a sale. (not counting using mirages for the first few, of course.)
I'll go and check it with my +7 later but it seems like it will be incredibly reasonable for Nirvana gear and weapons ^^.0 -
Belandre - Lost City wrote: »The %success of a Chienkun Stone is 100/Number of Dragonorbs required for the Level being attempted
ie +2 Orb needs 4 1*orbs 100/4 =25%
+3 Orb needs 10 1* Orbs 100/10 =10%
IF Chienkuns were the same price as Tishas/Tienkangs then they wouild be a straightforward gamble BUT as they cost 1gold as opposed to 0.3gold you would need to be smoking the same as the person who thought up the price to use them for refining.
For refining transfer they only become cost effective at +8 and over and thats assuming you dont sell the soure piece of equipment to offset normal dragon orb cost
I don't quite understand how you think anything above +8 is worth it? Do you mean cheaper than refining to +8 again using Dragon orbs? But you have to rely on luck so you may get good or bad luck. 1 gold per bad luck is pretty steep.
I just tried it on my +8 requiem blade. It wanted 150 stones. That is 150 gold, I dunno how much gold it costs to refine to +8 using Dragon orbs. Probalby more than 150 gold, but I'll use tiesha like I did before and start again I think.0 -
Do these stones transfer over sockets also? I have +8 2 socket lunar bow, cost 150 to transfer over the +8, but wondering if its same for sockets if I decide to make nirvana?Calamity
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I missing something on the loss prevention part of these stones. Is it one stone to prevent loosing a refinement level across the boards when you try to refine or is this also hinged on the current refinement level of the item?
So in other words if I take a +5 armor piece to the elder and have 10 of these stones will it look like this:
Refine unsuccessful - no loss of level
Refine unsuccessful - no loss of level
Refine unsuccessful - no loss of level
Refine Successful
Refine unsuccessful - no loss of level
Refine unsuccessful - no loss of level
Refine unsuccessful - no loss of level
Refine unsuccessful - no loss of level
Refine unsuccessful - no loss of level
Refine Successful
And then I'll have a +7 item? Or will it be that 60 stones for no loss on failed attempt at +5. If the later you could blow through a ton of stones. It doesn't increase your chance to succeed only mitigates your losses if it fails.0
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