Got a herc?
FoxyCleo - Raging Tide
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A minute ago on RT, someone asked for help on a Fb39. Since I was at 99,9% and standing near the Arch West tele, I thought why not and msg'd him "invite me, 73 veno".
His answer: "got a herc?"
I just told him to find someone else coz I'm obviously not good enough to help him
Seriously, people.
His answer: "got a herc?"
I just told him to find someone else coz I'm obviously not good enough to help him
Seriously, people.
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I would have said "Yes"
because I have one.0 -
"Got herc?"
Usually ppl ask for it cuz if u have it, they dont need to look for barb.
But "got herc?" is a sort of FAQ, and if u have it, this would be the first thing that u're sayin when u're lookin for a squad.
For example, when ppl looked for members for bhs squad, I said them "veno herc lvl".
When u'll reach 80+, u'll need herc to join a FF/FC/FCC squad, and have herc for GV/RB should be also good for splitting aggro at bosses.
U'll need also herc to solo tts squad mode, or be a tank in TTs done with a squad.
I hate who thinks that a veno with herc is the same of a veno without herc. QQ
BTW, if ppl asks if u've herc, u mustnt react in this way. It's just a question, not a requisite to join a squad
And then, in FBs until 51, and then in fb 79-89 eden, herc means less repairs for barbs.
(but barbs prefer to be the tank in tts and get the second pick and have a veno as dd -.-)
For sure, veno with herc is safer to take in squad, but herc isnt the thing that says the lvl of a veno.
Be quiet, and join squads
Then, if someone will say u that they dont wanna u cuz u've not herc...tell us QQing xD0 -
_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »"Got herc?"
Usually ppl ask for it cuz if u have it, they dont need to look for barb.
But "got herc?" is a sort of FAQ, and if u have it, this would be the first thing that u're sayin when u're lookin for a squad.
For example, when ppl looked for members for bhs squad, I said them "veno herc lvl".When u'll reach 80+, u'll need herc to join a FF/FC/FCC squad, and have herc for GV/RB should be also good for splitting aggro at bosses.
U'll need also herc to solo tts squad mode, or be a tank in TTs done with a squad.
I hate who thinks that a veno with herc is the same of a veno without herc. QQ
BTW, if ppl asks if u've herc, u mustnt react in this way. It's just a question, not a requisite to join a squad
And then, in FBs until 51, and then in fb 79-89 eden, herc means less repairs for barbs.
(but barbs prefer to be the tank in tts and get the second pick and have a veno as dd -.-)
For sure, veno with herc is safer to take in squad, but herc isnt the thing that says the lvl of a veno.
Be quiet, and join squads
Then, if someone will say u that they dont wanna u cuz u've not herc...tell us QQing xD
1- I've seen an armored bear tank most bosses in FCC.
2- Nobody NEEDS to solo TT if you have a good faction or friends
3- I've seen hercs die in squads so No a veno with herc in not necesarly safer. It depends on the VENO..
4- Veno without herc may not be the same as one with, but if they are good venos they can pretty much do all the same things.
All that being said I do have a herc, but I admire those who can excell at the class without one.0 -
Any 70+ pet should tank all bosses in there quite easily so it was really a noobish reply. The real problem with doing low FB without a cleric is that you'll always see someone willing to grab aggro from your pet, especially when you're tanking more than 1 mob. also considering not many venos with herc have roar to aggro everything around, I bet that FB had lots of deaths.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Heck, we did 39 yesterday with a pair of kowlin, because the hercs couldn't keep up 0
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1- I've seen an armored bear tank most bosses in FCC.
2- Nobody NEEDS to solo TT if you have a good faction or friends
3- I've seen hercs die in squads so No a veno with herc in not necesarly safer. It depends on the VENO..
4- Veno without herc may not be the same as one with, but if they are good venos they can pretty much do all the same things.
All that being said I do have a herc, but I admire those who can excell at the class without one.
1) I've heard that an armored bear tanks FCC at least at lvl 88
2) Seems so hard find a good faction or friends with those prices ^^
3) I've seen a lot of herc dyin too ^^
4) A veno without herc could work better than one with, as DD/debuffer, maybe. But it's not too sure let her pet tank.
I admire them too.0 -
1- I've seen an armored bear tank most bosses in FCC.
2- Nobody NEEDS to solo TT if you have a good faction or friends
3- I've seen hercs die in squads so No a veno with herc in not necesarly safer. It depends on the VENO..
4- Veno without herc may not be the same as one with, but if they are good venos they can pretty much do all the same things.
All that being said I do have a herc, but I admire those who can excell at the class without one.
1) But why when a Scorpion can tank them too? - 2001dps vs 1337dps @ Lv.90. FF is about getting XP fast and an Armored Bear shouldn't be used. A Herc would save on charms and repair costs.
2) For the TT mats that can be soloed, it's far more efficient and profitable for a veno to solo farm.
3) The Herc would be a much safer choice than a Scorpion if the squad was relying on Veno to tank and veno had both especially bosses like the first one.
4) no
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For people that want to complain: suck it up and get one! There are skills and equips that can cost more especially to the lesser privileged venos w/o hercs. Venos can get by for a long time with cheap equips while Barbs, and BMs depend on them. They complain about costs too, but they suck it up and get what they need.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
1) But why when a Scorpion can tank them too? - 2001dps vs 1337dps @ Lv.90. FF is about getting XP fast and an Armored Bear shouldn't be used. A Herc would save on charms and repair costs.
2) For the TT mats that can be soloed, it's far more efficient and profitable for a veno to solo farm.
3) The Herc would be a much safer choice than a Scorpion if the squad was relying on Veno to tank and veno had both especially bosses like the first one.
4) no
I wasnt saying the bear was the best tank, I was just saying it can be done.
It is more efficient to solo TT, i'm not arguing that, but it is possible to get all your gear without actually soloing the TT if you have friends and a faction to help you. (omg how can clerics, archers, wizards get any gear .. they cant solo TT !!)
Veno does NOT have to mean tank, some ask for a veno to lure, for the bramble, for debuffs.0 -
Sure you can use a faction / friends for those other mats, but until recently I tended to just buy them since my time/ potential tends to be wasted in TT squads.
I agree that veno doesn't mean tank but we do save squads time and coin for doing it. Any class can tank, we just do it cheapest.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
This thread wasn't meant to question the usefulness of a Herc. It was to call out how hilarious I find it to ask for a Herc for a Fb39.0
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Yeah, really. I take tideborn in for weapon token quest, and I don't have a herc.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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FoxyCleo - Raging Tide wrote: »This thread wasn't meant to question the usefulness of a Herc. It was to call out how hilarious I find it to ask for a Herc for a Fb39.
Ok, yeah it's funny!Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Its just so tragic when people expect you to have a herc... they can try to save up to a herc and find out how hard is it!
And for fb39 i tanked that on lvl 63 with no problem with a glacial walker... Its just so stupid ...0 -
1- I've seen an armored bear tank most bosses in FCC.
2- Nobody NEEDS to solo TT if you have a good faction or friends
3- I've seen hercs die in squads so No a veno with herc in not necesarly safer. It depends on the VENO..
4- Veno without herc may not be the same as one with, but if they are good venos they can pretty much do all the same things.
All that being said I do have a herc, but I admire those who can excell at the class without one.
I now
you ... and agree whole heartedly b:pleased
My response to anyone who asks if I have a herc is to reply: "Do you have $200 to buy me one?" >.>
I play this game for fun, not to suck up my budget on pixels. The herc is a Legendary pet.... its meant to be something special and rare. To expect every Veno will have one is just ridiculous. Perhaps way, way down the road when I have made sufficient in-game money to afford one I will consider buying it but until then, I am enjoying things just as they are. Besides which, the game is already incredibly easy playing as a Veno without a herc.
And ya, a herc for FB39?...lol.... a walker can tank the bosses there at least by the late level 50's as I discovered (which is when I unexpectedly found myself tanking them).0 -
Noobs shouldn't be discouraged by the pessimistics above. Skills, armor, weapons, etc will also be out of budget for these people. Barbs and Clerics have their major expenses also, but it's not all in one lump sum. They also don't get such a scalable weapon or low cost tank. Have a positive attitude, and you'll get that Herc/ Nix before long.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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Personally asking for a herc for fb39 is just stupid. I didn't get my herc till I was lvl 75 and I did just fine before I got it too. Don't get me wrong I love my herc, and use it alot. But I couldve waited longer to get it too. I'd love to have a nix though, but I havent started saving for one yet. TBH, I probably wont get it till lvl 95+. Cause atm, I'd rather being spending my coins refining and sharding to make my survivability better.>.<0
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it doesnt work like barb roar, its single target and first thing it does is to reset agroKing_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »Any 70+ pet should tank all bosses in there quite easily so it was really a noobish reply. The real problem with doing low FB without a cleric is that you'll always see someone willing to grab aggro from your pet, especially when you're tanking more than 1 mob. also considering not many venos with herc have roar to aggro everything around, I bet that FB had lots of deaths.0 -
Ok I found it amusing....I didn't get a herc until 78+....
Even now if I do a low lvl FB with friends the herc usually comes out only if needed...I'll run the FB with another pet...
Although sometimes if its a friend's alt I'm doing it for I'll tank in fox form and have the pet as DD.
Low lvl FBs just make it way too easy to pull aggro off a herc or any pet...
b:shocked I have issue with that in 79/89 with bosses and mobs...oh yeah add FB99 mobs to that list as well...
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Regarding roar...yeah herc's roar is single target not multi and since it resets aggro not stack aggro it's extremely easy to steal aggro again....hense my change in skills from roar to bash...roar wasn't worth the issues I found in the late 80s,[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
im getting sick of herc needed for ff part b:angry herc is a TOOL its a pet with highest hp and def in game, and bramble skill. perfect for tanking '?' bossess and stuff.... but its slow and veno has no means of purifying debuffs, only can try to outheal them. so for ff you MUST bring in player tank anyway... herc will die on traps and slasher and no way even lvl 105 herc will be able to tank fragrance. so why discriminate against non-herc venos even there??? has this game changed so much since i started playing that now without spending $400 on herc and nix you wont be invited ANYWHERE? even to places where herc cant be used to his full potential and nix cant be used at all? b:infuriated_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »"Got herc?"
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When u'll reach 80+, u'll need herc to join a FF/FC/FCC squad, and have herc for GV/RB should be also good for splitting aggro at bosses.
U'll need also herc to solo tts squad mode, or be a tank in TTs done with a squad.
I hate who thinks that a veno with herc is the same of a veno without herc. QQ
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frankly I can't see any usefulness in herc for FF. all adds which are spawned by bosses can be tanked by BM quite easily and everything else can be done by a barb in a fast yet safe way. some people prefer to replace a barb to herc to have cleric as DD for bosses but i don't think it's any good to gather mobs to zen.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Aya__ - Heavens Tear wrote: »herc will die on traps and slasher and no way even lvl 105 herc will be able to tank fragrance. so why discriminate against non-herc venos even there??? has this game changed so much since i started playing that now without spending $400 on herc and nix you wont be invited ANYWHERE? even to places where herc cant be used to his full potential and nix cant be used at all? b:infuriated
I didn't spend a cent on my Herc or Nix. I'm not so sure a lvl 105 herc can't tank Fragrance if vacuity powders are used. Every other boss can be tanked by a Herc no problem, though there could be faster solutions like using a DD pet on the Phoenix since there's no melee. If you want to complain about prices, try playing a barb.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
LOL. Admittedly people are very reliant on the old golden golem these days, but thats cause he rox sox.
I don't often help people cause I'm a selfish cow, but I probably would've responded in the same way, if I didn't have one.
Just do yo' thing and ignore the silly peoples.0 -
I feel I should agree with the original poster and some other people in this thread, and maybe I should expand on some of their points:
Hercs have only two aggro skills: reflect and usually bash (though maybe something else). Unless someone is rich and has other hercs for special cases, most venos can hold aggro better using a pet with four aggro skills (or three aggro skills and roar for pulling aggro of of someone else).
You need a herc when you are fighting tough opponents, or when you have the patience for herc reflect to build and hold aggro on a lot of opponents, and they can hold aggro when level adjustments and melee damage works in their favor. But in FB39, a herc is not going to be able to hold aggro from anyone without a lot of patience and someone that opens discussion with "got a herc" is too focused on the wrong issues to be worth squadding with.0 -
the problem is that vacuity powder have long cooldown, if you have any tips... coz i ran out of solutions. that boss also debuff pet and sometimes just almost 1 shot pet. phoenix boss sometimes go melee, you see reflect numbers upI didn't spend a cent on my Herc or Nix. I'm not so sure a lvl 105 herc can't tank Fragrance if vacuity powders are used. Every other boss can be tanked by a Herc no problem, though there could be faster solutions like using a DD pet on the Phoenix since there's no melee. If you want to complain about prices, try playing a barb.
ofc all the other bosses are very easy with herc, slasher and circle boss are np... but since i get asked by venos how do you make herc to go back to you nothing surprise me anymore0 -
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If you want to complain about prices, try playing a barb.
look at my avatar. thats my main. i play a class that can be more expensive than barb sometimes. so can the sarcasm tysm.
im just mad venos who for some reason didnt buy herc seem to have problems with getting into any squad, for any quest or instance now. having a herc doesnt make you good veno. not having him - either. and ill take good veno - meaning player skill and knowledge of class - with any pet she may have, like and use, over oracle noob with herc leveled in cube any day.
jut to avoid excessive flaming: im not denying usefulness of herc. never. but its a player tool and should be treated as such. now it seems for some ppl its a separate class... herc with veno tagging along b:shocked
actually im not against oracles either, as long as you can play your class well. and cube room 4 does have its uses too, but ive seen too many ppl abuse both. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Aya__ - Heavens Tear wrote: »look at my avatar. thats my main. i play a class that can be more expensive than barb sometimes. so can the sarcasm tysm.
im just mad venos who for some reason didnt buy herc seem to have problems with getting into any squad, for any quest or instance now. having a herc doesnt make you good veno. not having him - either. and ill take good veno - meaning player skill and knowledge of class - with any pet she may have, like and use, over oracle noob with herc leveled in cube any day.
jut to avoid excessive flaming: im not denying usefulness of herc. never. but its a player tool and should be treated as such. now it seems for some ppl its a separate class... herc with veno tagging along b:shocked
actually im not against oracles either, as long as you can play your class well. and cube room 4 does have its uses too, but ive seen too many ppl abuse both. b:surrender
when u get herc at lvl 80...what do? lvl up it in room 4 is the fastest way.
then, if u're talkin about oracle noobs getting herc and lvling up it in cube when they've lvled up...it's another thing.0 -
_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »when u get herc at lvl 80...what do? lvl up it in room 4 is the fastest way.
then, if u're talkin about oracle noobs getting herc and lvling up it in cube when they've lvled up...it's another thing.
yes, was talking about the second option b:surrender meet a lot of ppl, all classess, with amazing gear and equally amazing lack of skill and game knowledge b:cry
when i got my rl friend to play pwi and she chose to play a veno i advised her to start with 'normal' pets, so she will learn to do things properly... i believed playing with herc from lvl 1 would cripple her, its like using cheats, everything is too easy and you never learn, then you get to 90s and you start to fail real bad when cheats dont work anymore. so she got herc and nix at 60s, and did spend some time in cube and on tide beach too. now ofc she has both to level AND shes good player too. b:pleased[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Let me start with saying that I've had a herc since lvl50. Since then I've only joined squads that don't decide whether to invite me or not over my Herc. Sure there are some things only venos with Hercs can do, but a lot of people have got really comfortable and think that venos without a Herc are useless. And besides, if a veno is dumb, a Herc doesn't make her better.
For instance, I was doing bh at level 72 and I was in a squad to kill Pyro. Full squad, cleric, 2 barbs. Suddenly, while killing boss, something went wrong and everyone died. Exept me. So I started spam healing my Herc as it was killing Pyro and I was sure I was gonna die soon, but I didn't. Instead, the cleric got back from town just before I killed the boss and everyone got the kill so all was ok. Few days later I was in a squad to kill Pyro again and there was a veno level 79. She wanted to tank and was so sure, that nobody stopped her. I offered help but she didn't want it. In about 10 seconds her Herc and she herself died. Again , I had to take over. So not all venos are good tanks just because they have a Herc.
I've also seen some people say that if you don't change the Pounce skill on Herc for Bash, your Herc is a fail. I just ignore those morons. In some circumstances Bash really is better, but Pounce doesn't make a Herc fail, so Im not planning to waste money on Bash.
And to those people who say that venos are overpowered, I could say that an assassin is overpowered because of stealth mode, psychic is overpowered because they do huge amount of damage, cleric is overpowered because they can heal fast and give good buffs, and so on. Everyone can be " overpowered " when they are smart and skilled.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
O_O lol most ppl don't know how much a herc cost and alot ppl in this game maybe want to play free and don't spend fooking money on a pet OMFG!
GET A LIFE![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
QQ If i did Crazy stone at 3x AND not 6x, i had been lvl 105 now!
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Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »O_O lol most ppl don't know how much a herc cost and alot ppl in this game maybe want to play free and don't spend fooking money on a pet OMFG!
GET A LIFE!
You still don't have to spend RL money to get it, And you don't have to play 12+ hours a day to farm the money to get it either, granted it'll take longer, but this is how most veno's get their herc's. They save up in-game money from several months like 4 months+. Remember patience is a virtue.>.<0
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