Fast pet lvling in cube

Ignasia - Heavens Tear
Ignasia - Heavens Tear Posts: 142 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Venomancer
I dont know if this has been asked before, couldnt find it anywhere. But id there a way to have ur pet auto attack mobs in rm 4 without having to click on the command? and without using the tab alt+1?
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  • Asmodiel - Heavens Tear
    Asmodiel - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,442 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Don't think you can "macro" it, but i mean...why would you? it's already easy to lvl the pet in that room...wanting to do it afk is just a sign of lazyness b:chuckle


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  • Waterfal - Sanctuary
    Waterfal - Sanctuary Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    well.. there is an easy way.. that goes faster. AOE those damn mobs XD

    1> take off all your gear (seriously, if you don't the repair fee will be horrible)
    2> put your pet on the thing so it wont attack unless u tell it to.
    3> run to a mob, hit it with your fists and do that till u have like 10 mobs or so
    4> AOE oneshot them all. (they might interupt channeling so that's annoying)
    5> ???
    6> profit!

    I can do this for like 6 times before potting with about 2.5k hp without gear. :P
    you can also just meditate tab and alt+1 and so on. that'll make your pet attack too.. but it gets so boring... XD
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I find tab-venomous-tab-send pet goes fastest, with the occasional AOE on naturally occuring groups. Rounding up a group for AOEing is just inviting someone else to AOE the group you rounded up, and takes longer.
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  • Waterfal - Sanctuary
    Waterfal - Sanctuary Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I find tab-venomous-tab-send pet goes fastest, with the occasional AOE on naturally occuring groups. Rounding up a group for AOEing is just inviting someone else to AOE the group you rounded up, and takes longer.

    Yep, I had some people ks-ing me. They usually apologise though when I tell them what I'm doing.
    They make sure to not do it again then. If they do. send in a ticket and try to get them banned. >_>
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    1: Get a bow and some arrows
    2: Put pet on defend and turn skills off
    3: select monster
    4: Normal attack
    5: Repeat from step 3

    Monster will aggro you and start to chase. Once it attacks you, pet kills it. Meanwhile you've already switched to another one to repeat the cycle. If you're a LA veno this is even better as you can use a stronger bow and just flat out kill the monsters like this.
  • Toxic - Dreamweaver
    Toxic - Dreamweaver Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    truekossy wrote: »
    1: Get a bow and some arrows
    2: Put pet on defend and turn skills off
    3: select monster
    4: Normal attack
    5: Repeat from step 3

    Monster will aggro you and start to chase. Once it attacks you, pet kills it. Meanwhile you've already switched to another one to repeat the cycle. If you're a LA veno this is even better as you can use a stronger bow and just flat out kill the monsters like this.

    This is fastest especially now with tab targetting.
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  • Mitties - Dreamweaver
    Mitties - Dreamweaver Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    truekossy wrote: »
    1: Get a bow and some arrows
    2: Put pet on defend and turn skills off
    3: select monster
    4: Normal attack
    5: Repeat from step 3

    Monster will aggro you and start to chase. Once it attacks you, pet kills it. Meanwhile you've already switched to another one to repeat the cycle. If you're a LA veno this is even better as you can use a stronger bow and just flat out kill the monsters like this.

    Why use a bow when you can just Venomous? b:victory
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  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Why use a bow when you can just Venomous? b:victory

    Because using venomous scarab takes up mana. If you use bows and arrows you don't have to worry about soul tranfusing or using natures grace.
    >.<
  • Mitties - Dreamweaver
    Mitties - Dreamweaver Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Because using venomous scarab takes up mana. If you use bows and arrows you don't have to worry about soul transfusing or using natures grace.

    Seriously? If you've got even a mediocre amount of talent as a veno, you don't need to worry about mana. Give your genie Second Wind, then Soul Transfusion --> Second Wind. You'll never need to pot again.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    and without using the tab alt+1?
    If you haven't yet, hit 'k' and remap the pet attack key from alt-1 to a single letter. I used r (and moved my skill list to j, which matches the skills window key for another game I play), but you can set it to whatever you want. Ordering your pet to attack becomes much easier when you can do it with a single key, instead of a two-key combo.

    That said, the bow method is the fastest. If you've got earthquake on your genie, you can use that any time you end up with 4+ mobs attacking you and the pet isn't killing them fast enough. I also use earthquake when there's a good clump of mobs near me and it looks like another veno is trying to beat me to AOEing them.
    Why use a bow when you can just Venomous? b:victory
    Venomous has a 1.5 sec channel time and 1 sec cast time. So each mob you kill takes a minimum 2.0 - 2.5 seconds (depending on your channeling), and you are frozen to the spot unable to move during that time.

    Bows can fire once every 1.4 seconds, and you are free to move immediately after firing. So not only can you kill 40%-80% faster than a casting veno, you spend less time standing still and more time moving. And in that room, you have to move a lot to get to more stuff to kill.
  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Seriously? If you've got even a mediocre amount of talent as a veno, you don't need to worry about mana. Give your genie Second Wind, then Soul Transfusion --> Second Wind. You'll never need to pot again.

    My genie has that second wind tyvm, and i know when to soul tranfuse, and i didnt use pots. but thats not the point. The point is I spent 3 days in the cube lvling my herc from lvl 1 - 75. I did it using venomous scarab, and when i got bored of holding it down, I would either use noxious gas to aoe them, or run around around and punch them down. I only did that when nature's grace or metabolic boost was in cooldown. Obviously you don't know how fast you run out of mana spamming skills in there, especially if you arent a pure mage. With 5.6k mana at lvl 84, (don't remember what it was 9 lvls ago) I could run out of mana in a matter of 5 minutes by constantly using tab, venomous scarab, tab, venomous scarab, etc. Also, using a lvl 1 bow with 10k arrows would take less time than using venomous scarab, since normal attacks don't take up channeling and casting time.
    >.<
  • Mitties - Dreamweaver
    Mitties - Dreamweaver Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Need I point out that VS generally does more damage than bows? Especially since you can't usually use bows your level (unless you've got +dex equipment or way too much dex).

    And believe me, I know how fast one can run out of mana.But you have options. Either Soul Transfusion + Second Wind back to full HP and MP, or just go into Fox Form and fight (just to change it up).
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  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    That's what i did when i ran out of mana, either punched in human form or foxform. But atm I have 84 base dex (Im Light armor atm, havent added in dex since lvl 80 cause ive decided to restat at lvl 90) But at lvl 75 I could equip a lvl 2x bow without added dex stats, and probably a lvl 3x bow if i had added dex stats. That's why it would be faster for me to use a bow, but if you only have 5 dex and can only use a lvl 1 bow, i could see how spamming venomous scarab might be better considering that you would probably "miss" alot.
    >.<
  • Mitties - Dreamweaver
    Mitties - Dreamweaver Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well, it's not a matter of missing or not. With the bow, your damage will be, at most, half that of VS. Which, considering the bow is less than double the spell's speed, more than makes up for the slower casting speed. Especially if you have -chan gear.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well, it's not a matter of missing or not. With the bow, your damage will be, at most, half that of VS. Which, considering the bow is less than double the spell's speed, more than makes up for the slower casting speed. Especially if you have -chan gear.

    Except that your goal with the bow isn't to kill. Merely to aggro the monsters. The pet on defend does the killing for you and once things have started, you get to the point where you have a steady line of monsters being killed by the pet as you draw in more to you. Because bows don't suffer from channel/cast delays, you won't have to worry about mobility and will be killing faster overall.

    And, again, if you happen to be a LA veno, the process is sped up even more by the fact that you'd be able to use a bow stronger than the level 1 bow and can flat-out kill the monsters with your attacks, regardless of whether or not they crit, instead of simply gaining aggro so that your pet can kill for you.
  • Mitties - Dreamweaver
    Mitties - Dreamweaver Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    But, if you damage the monster more, it dies more quickly at the hands of your pet. And you don't want to get swamped with too many mobs at once, or you'll --- oh yeah --- die.
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  • Perikita - Raging Tide
    Perikita - Raging Tide Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I think the risk of dying in the mice bashing room is minimal, the mobs have 10hp each and die like, well, mice. I haven't tried using a bow but I think even the lowest level bow will 1-shot them. What I have tried is to hit the mobs with my sword, this didn't work too well since my dex (and accuracy) is rock bottom and I miss to much. It felt as if it would take longer than chanelling plume and you have to run more. In the end I used tab and plume and, while chanelling, tab and alt-1, so the pet and I killed simultaneously. Oh, and noxious gas when 2 or more stood together, of course.
  • Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary
    Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    But, if you damage the monster more, it dies more quickly at the hands of your pet. And you don't want to get swamped with too many mobs at once, or you'll --- oh yeah --- die.

    You wont die in that room, and if you do, you're just stupid. No offense but those mobs in the room "Mice Bashing" only have 10-15 HP, and they only hit out that same amount on me without my armor or ortaments on. One shotting each of them with a bow should be no problem, especially if your LA. Even if you can't oneshot them if your arcane, you can still weild a lvl 1 bow to aggro the mob, and have your pet on defend when it get close enough to hit you. It's just that simple.
    >.<
  • RouIette - Lost City
    RouIette - Lost City Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    -Even- if you are AA, it does not matter what build you are. The lowest bow -will- one shot the mob, Tab and normal attack, tab and normal attack. At most all you have to do is press 2 keys, yes putting pet on defend will get rid of the stragglers before they hit you.

    "Veno skill" isn't even related to this, leveling your pets in cube doesn't require any skill at all >_>
  • Ignasia - Heavens Tear
    Ignasia - Heavens Tear Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    ok thanks for all the responses. i tried punching and dragging a grp and then using earthquake. I will most deff try the bow. and see which works better for me. thanks again everyone i really appreciate it b:laughb:victory
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    But, if you damage the monster more, it dies more quickly at the hands of your pet. And you don't want to get swamped with too many mobs at once, or you'll --- oh yeah --- die.
    As others have said, you just want to kill as quickly as possible, and the bow lets you do that. The main constraint on kill rate in that room isn't the damage you do. It's how quickly you can aggro the tombstones. And the bow lets you do that the quickest.
    ok thanks for all the responses. i tried punching and dragging a grp and then using earthquake. I will most deff try the bow. and see which works better for me. thanks again everyone i really appreciate it b:laughb:victory
    Ok, I've been keeping my genie tricks secret but I don't really have any pets I need to level in the Cube anymore so I'll reveal them.

    Earthquake is a good AOE kill skill. You want to use an alternate genie with level 1 Earthquake though. The level 1 version of the skill takes less energy (so you can use it more frequently), but should still do enough damage to kill the tombstones (they have 10 hp I think). Or maybe it was level 2. The skill has a radius of 10 meters.

    If you're using a bow with a pet on defend, Tangling Mire is another option. At level 1 it has the same energy cost as Earthquake. It doesn't do damage, but it does aggro the nearby tombstones into attacking you (so your pet or Earthquake can finish them off). Most importantly it has a 15 meter radius so it covers over twice the area that Earthquake does. I think it's also centered on your target (been a long time since I used it). So just pick a tombstone in the middle, fire it, and the whole group will all run towards you. No need to run to the middle of the pack like with Earthquake. The drawback is it has a 30 sec cooldown.

    Back before they nerfed it so it became single target, Blinding Sand was the best skill for this. It was a 10m targeted AOE debuff so like a smaller Tangling Mire, but cost less energy and stamina and had a 1 sec cooldown. A lot of times I didn't even bother with the bow, I just ran around spamming this skill, let the pet kill stuff, and if I collected so many tombstones that I was losing an alarming amount of hp (yes, that can happen), I'd just Earthquake or Noxious them. Ah for the good old days.

    Best thing about the genie skills is that they're instant cast. You can use them while running. You don't have to stop to attack. They're also nice if you're using a bow because they let you AOE without having to switch to a magic weapon to cast Noxious. Worst thing is the stamina consumption. It can get rather expensive.

    Remember to be nice and share. The tombstones respawn a fixed time after they die, so if you're running around with a dozen tombstones attacking you, you're decreasing the number of tombstones available to everyone else. Don't be a jerk and hog them up this way. Fire off an AOE and kill them so they can respawn more quickly.
  • Mitties - Dreamweaver
    Mitties - Dreamweaver Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ah, okay, I wasn't aware it was so easy. @_@
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  • papabear52
    papabear52 Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    This is very informative, but can you tell me how to get into this room in the cube.