Evilstare vs. Shadow Legend

Laurrella - Dreamweaver
Laurrella - Dreamweaver Posts: 83 Arc User
edited April 2010 in Assassin
I am trying to determine which is the better dagger to get if you have the choice of both so I figured I would ask my fellow sins for advice. What do you all think and why?

Evilstare - http://http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/26088

Shadow Legend - http://http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/26089
Laurrixa - 64 Sin
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  • Raggen - Dreamweaver
    Raggen - Dreamweaver Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Shadow Legend have a pretty good skill for PvE. But EvilStare isn't bad either.

    Thinking about damage would make me choose Evilstare, but Shadow Legend will probably save you some HP potions, since it is like a "10% HP BloodPaint".
  • Woneo - Harshlands
    Woneo - Harshlands Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I had both, shadow legend is ALOT better.
  • Laurrella - Dreamweaver
    Laurrella - Dreamweaver Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Thanks for the replies guys.

    Woneo - Harshlands wrote: »
    I had both, shadow legend is ALOT better.

    In what way is shadow legend better? ie. less pots needed, more dmg, etc
    Laurrixa - 64 Sin
  • Psudeotrophe - Dreamweaver
    Psudeotrophe - Dreamweaver Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    My current damage with Shadow Legend is 2753-3435, previously my damage with evil stare was 2367-3040 so there is a glaring difference in damage the evil stares are nice with the extra chance to crit plus the addition of sharpen, but it's easily overlooked when you get Shadow Legend with its Huge heal and additional damage + 100
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  • Laurrella - Dreamweaver
    Laurrella - Dreamweaver Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ok thanks. Looks like it's pretty clear which one I should go after.
    Laurrixa - 64 Sin
  • StainedBlade - Heavens Tear
    StainedBlade - Heavens Tear Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Only nice thing about EvilStare is if your next to someone else tanking and there is no AoE involved. Damage is barely higher on EvilStare unless you got some unreal upgrades to Shadow Legend or both. Shadow Legend I really enjoyed using back then though.

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  • Laurrella - Dreamweaver
    Laurrella - Dreamweaver Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Would all the bonus Dex from EvilStare bumping up your crit rate balance out the damage difference or would the rate increase be pretty negligable?
    Laurrixa - 64 Sin
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Laurrella - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Would all the bonus Dex from EvilStare bumping up your crit rate balance out the damage difference or would the rate increase be pretty negligable?

    evilstare will do more damage when sharpen procs. but remember mobs die quick to you anyway. i went with shadow just because i got that mold and didnt get the other. though i would still say shadow comes out on top
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  • Ephemerai - Sanctuary
    Ephemerai - Sanctuary Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    For PVE at least.. definitely shadow legend. Free heals ftw. =D
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  • Ranfa - Dreamweaver
    Ranfa - Dreamweaver Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I used Shadow Legend just because the red sparkling thing that surrounds you when proc goes off made my Assassin look badass.
  • Nexdonum - Lost City
    Nexdonum - Lost City Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'm a huge fan of +hp effects (<3'd the Cloud Thorn), as if you are taking dmg, BP + chance for +10% hp is AMAZING.

    I haven't gotten to 74 yet, but I'm going to use the SL daggers when I get there.


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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Trawne - Lost City wrote: »
    evilstare will do more damage when sharpen procs. but remember mobs die quick to you anyway. i went with shadow just because i got that mold and didnt get the other. though i would still say shadow comes out on top

    It doesn't actually, but comes close (and my 69 is 2 shards +3 vs one shard +2 for 74). I had lots of time at PQ to compare the two haha.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    how often does the proc on shadow legend activate?
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
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    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    About the same as other effects such as gloom, which is said to be 5%? It also varies a lot so that it might proc 3 times in a row or not proc for a while. 10% heal is a decent amount though and it procs often enough to make a difference.
  • Laurrella - Dreamweaver
    Laurrella - Dreamweaver Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ranfa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I used Shadow Legend just because the red sparkling thing that surrounds you when proc goes off made my Assassin look badass.


    Well there you go. I love being sparkley b:laugh
    Laurrixa - 64 Sin
  • Aldryami - Sanctuary
    Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I'm not sure how the final attack score is worked out but:

    Doesn't the extra 160 (ish) attack from the +30 DEX bonus mean that Evil Stare does more damage (and increases crit by (at times) 2% and increases Evasion and Accuracy).

    Evil Stare seem much better to me. Shadow Legend look like they are designed for barbs b:chuckle
  • Kuroi_Sin - Dreamweaver
    Kuroi_Sin - Dreamweaver Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I don't have the exact numbers, but with Evilstare Dual Daggers my Attack was ~2,400-3,000 (2 Immaculate Garnets +3). With Shadow Legends my Attack is around ~2,700-3,500 (1 Flawless Garnet +2). Yeah, the +100 Attack is nice when paired with your Dex bonus.
    Kuroi_Sin
    The Holy Black Assassin
  • Aldryami - Sanctuary
    Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    You say with Evil Stare your attack "was" 3000. Was that a few levels ago or at your present level? If you gained the figures for the two weapons at the same level then the +100 from Shadow Legend must undergo some kind of multiplication? Perhaps based on level? Because the Dex bonus gives a lot more than +100 attack. I should go to the archer forum and check what multiplications the weapon attack bonuses are subject to b:chuckle.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Aldryami - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'm not sure how the final attack score is worked out but:

    Doesn't the extra 160 (ish) attack from the +30 DEX bonus mean that Evil Stare does more damage (and increases crit by (at times) 2% and increases Evasion and Accuracy).

    Evil Stare seem much better to me. Shadow Legend look like they are designed for barbs b:chuckle

    I thought they would too. But they just don't =/. I guess the +50X2 attack from Shadow is amp by mastery on top of higher base damage values make them stronger even when Evilstare procs.
  • Aldryami - Sanctuary
    Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Well that decides it then. Shadow Legend is better. Has a better name and proc animation too.

    Omg I'm going to feel bad LOSING 30 dex lol

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