Perfect Hammers

Dthrum - Lost City
Dthrum - Lost City Posts: 3 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Cash Shop Huddle
Anyone else reacon they should have either a sale where they cost 1-2 gold a piece or that you can pay a lot more to get an indestrucible(non trade or account stash etc) so that you can open all the things that you need one for.
Personally i find it is wrong to get a chest of coins for completing the cube of fate and then having to spend(which i dont) more money than the chest holds to open it.
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  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Think of it this way. Chest of coins = 1 million coins. Before they came out, gold was less than 200k apiece. Once the hammers were introduced with the chests, gold shot up to 200k, because 200k x 5 = 1mil. Therefore:

    2 gold hammers = gold at 500k
    1 gold hammers = gold at 1 mil
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  • wtvdie
    wtvdie Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    hammer cost is directly proportional to gold cost unfortunately.... servers are saturated in chests of coins.
  • Dthrum - Lost City
    Dthrum - Lost City Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    dont see how it can be linked to gold price as gold on server is at 300k so that means you need to spend 1.5million to get 1 million b:surrender i give up with that idea
  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    dont see how it can be linked to gold price as gold on server is at 300k so that means you need to spend 1.5million to get 1 million b:surrender i give up with that idea

    Well, it was in the past. Before the first wave of Anniversary Packs (do you remember? A long, long time ago in a land far far away...), when people were saying "IF GOLD STAYS AT 200K I'M QUITTING, THIS PRICE IS RIDICULOUS". The chests got pretty much forgotten in the gold QQ after Anni Packs, but they were the ones that bumped the price from 130k to 200k in one day.

    Now the only way they can affect gold price is if the actual price of the hammer is lowered, then it will push up prices even more.

    As for your other idea...I'm not sure how good or bad it would be. PWE would probably make more money, because a lot of people will only buy that one level 50 hammer and that's it. But if there was a 30 gold hammer that would get them 1 million coins every once in a while, they would be more likely to buy one per character. But that worries me about inflation...
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  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Anyone else reacon they should have either a sale where they cost 1-2 gold a piece or that you can pay a lot more to get an indestrucible(non trade or account stash etc) so that you can open all the things that you need one for.
    Personally i find it is wrong to get a chest of coins for completing the cube of fate and then having to spend(which i dont) more money than the chest holds to open it.

    There's too many chest of coins sitting in people inventories now. If such an idea had been utilized, it would have been needed ages ago. Now, hundreds of thousands of chests would get popped saturating so much coin into the economy that we'd go into an over inflationary spiral causing much greater problems for us.
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    dont see how it can be linked to gold price as gold on server is at 300k so that means you need to spend 1.5million to get 1 million b:surrender i give up with that idea

    These . . i am confused why people not understand that making hammer cheaper mean
    increasing gold price . . b:surrender

    And the current 300k price was created because packs just like Aadi said. b:thanks
    If hammer become 2 gold cash shopper won't selling gold less than 500k (i said these many times)
    if no one want to buy >.> they cash shopper just have to buy the hammer then open the chest them self . . for 1million.
    Or if they still newbie and don't have chest they might sell gold lower than 500k . .
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  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    These . . i am confused why people not understand that making hammer cheaper mean
    increasing gold price . . b:surrender

    And the current 300k price was created because packs just like Aadi said. b:thanks
    If hammer become 2 gold cash shopper won't selling gold less than 500k (i said these many times)
    if no one want to buy >.> they cash shopper just have to buy the hammer then open the chest them self . . for 1million.
    Or if they still newbie and don't have chest they might sell gold lower than 500k . .

    Its because people dont understand that there is a difference between a price ceiling, a price floor, and a price lock. People hear "that will make gold 500k" and think back to people saying that 5 gold hammers "make gold 200k". But its more then 200k, so that "must have been false" (in their minds).

    Hammers at 5 gold made a price Floor of 200k. Meaning gold could still go higher due to increased demand, but it would never go lower again. The reson being that if someone put gold for lower, it would be bought out in 1/2 of a second for people to pop chests & make money. The demand on gold skyrockets if gold crosses below the 200k threshold.

    Now if you make hammers 2 gold. The threshold for incredibly spiked demand become 500k. The ONLY way this would be countered, is if literally more gold is up for sale, then [twice] the number of chests sitting in peoples banks. At the moment that numbers in the hundreds of thousands of chests.

    So if there was a hammer sale, all gold below 500k would be snatched up. Hundreds of thousands of chests would be popped for profit. This would also cascade into an inflation of epic proportions due to all the extra cash.

    Please, just understand, this idea is so bad that it would single handedly crash our game economy.
  • Tivas - Archosaur
    Tivas - Archosaur Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    How bout they just remove hammer from chest and we just right click to gain 1mil coinsb:victoryb:victoryb:victory..
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    How bout they just remove hammer from chest and we just right click to gain 1mil coinsb:victoryb:victoryb:victory..

    And welcome inflation ? b:thanks
    I have better idea remove the chest ! Q.Q
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  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Darksylph explained it pretty nicely. If anything, get rid of the hammer requirement and make each chest tradeable for a couple mirages or something; keep in mind, tho, that whatever you decide the trade-in item will be, the market will be flooded with them. That being said, I think 1-2 mirages per chest wouldn't be so terrible.

    Edit: When getting rid of hammer requirement, obviously you are also scrapping the "get a million coins" part, too.
  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Darksylph explained it pretty nicely. If anything, get rid of the hammer requirement and make each chest tradeable for a couple mirages or something; keep in mind, tho, that whatever you decide the trade-in item will be, the market will be flooded with them. That being said, I think 1-2 mirages per chest wouldn't be so terrible.

    Edit: When getting rid of hammer requirement, obviously you are also scrapping the "get a million coins" part, too.

    No mirages, I make my living off of them D;
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  • Shulkie - Dreamweaver
    Shulkie - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,529 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    why not make it so you can trade chests for attendance sheets or the blessings from the school teach - then those who want can get the school teach rings (which cant be traded) or blessings which will be useful in TW etc or to pass to alts through account stash.

    neither of these would result in any change to the market value of existing items that i can think of
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    what'd be REALLY smart is making the hammer a 2-3 time use instead of 1 at same 5$ tag.itd still cost a large chunk o gold if they want 1m:v
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  • Laurrella - Dreamweaver
    Laurrella - Dreamweaver Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Take away the hammer and make the chest spew forth tokens....yes we need more tokens! Tokens for everyone! Tokens I say!!!! b:laugh b:shutup

    Truthfully, while on the subject of hammers take away the requirement to use one on the stash box. The lvl 50 weapon isn't worth the cost and then people can no longer use the stash after that. A real waste.
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  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    what'd be REALLY smart is making the hammer a 2-3 time use instead of 1 at same 5$ tag.itd still cost a large chunk o gold if they want 1m:v

    Same problem. Pay 400k x 5 = 2 mil, to pop 3 mil in coins (3 chests). Gold will be bough out and mass inflation will set in, until the new gold floor is 600k (1/5th of 3 mil, the point where its no longer profiteable to pop chests). Any sale on hammers, where the amount of coin used to pop chests is lower then the reward from chests, will spike gold prices & flood the economy with coin. For all the reasons explained before, will single-handedly destroy our economy.

    For this idea to have worked, it would have been needed way before people stock piled hundreds of thousands of these chests in their banks. Now it is too late. They need to be removed & forgotten about.
  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Actually, trading a chest for one token wouldn't be all that bad either. The token market is obviously flooded as is, so it wouldn't really change much. But yeah, pretty much anything that involves people getting actual coins out of the chests is either a bad idea, or not worth it.
  • Maragon - Dreamweaver
    Maragon - Dreamweaver Posts: 645 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I wouldnt mind just giving tokens personally. or they could make it something like this
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/9547
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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I wouldnt mind just giving tokens personally. or they could make it something like this
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/9547

    If it changed to something like that box, then gaining reputation won't be so hard anymore ? b:surrender
    Oracle again ? b:laugh
    Wraith officer badge 15% o.0.
    Secret Letter alone giving you 200 reputation. (you need to be rank 4 though)
    Hmm badge.
    But i think these idea making the box worth more than sell for 50k to npc. b:shocked
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  • Maragon - Dreamweaver
    Maragon - Dreamweaver Posts: 645 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    If it changed to something like that box, then gaining reputation won't be so hard anymore ? b:surrender
    Oracle again ? b:laugh
    Wraith officer badge 15% o.0.
    Secret Letter alone giving you 200 reputation. (you need to be rank 4 though)
    Hmm badge.
    But i think these idea making the box worth more than sell for 50k to npc. b:shocked

    key word in my post was like

    maybe divide all those chances in half and make it a 50% chance of like 10 tokens or something I dont know.....but all chests are doing atm is wasting inventory anyway and rep is always good. as far as the oracles and scarlet fruit in there though I would like for them to get rid of it if they implement something like that.

    besides with that badge of bravery people can finally get a sign of bravery making all the signs for the sages weapons available in game
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  • Euphy - Dreamweaver
    Euphy - Dreamweaver Posts: 495 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I like the idea of turning chests into big mooncakes! I really need my badges for my Sage Weapon now that I made lv.90... so pretty... so awesome... b:thanks
    Personally I don't see a problem in making reputation easier to get... you still need 250,000 for max rank (over 100,000 moon cakes). And honestly badges would make me dance for joy!
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  • Maragon - Dreamweaver
    Maragon - Dreamweaver Posts: 645 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    BTW look at one of the quests to get big mooncakes according to the database

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/9544

    very easy quest ... could do it 3-4 times a day just grinding
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  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    besides with that badge of bravery people can finally get a sign of bravery making all the signs for the sages weapons available in game

    These signs are already available through City of Abominations. People have been making Seven Sages weapons since that event started & all 7 signs have been obtainable.