After Getting Herc, Now What?

thenewkitty
thenewkitty Posts: 1 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Venomancer
So I bought myself a herc for the new server Archo.
This is my first time having a Veno+Herc.
I was very excited in getting it and once I got it I was like Okay... Its just like a pet, but very strong tank.
Sooo, What now?
I had some questions I would like to ask the other Veno+Hercs.
Do you guys spend the 2gold a week so it doesn't starve?
(Btw, I got the gold on my cleric and dont got any more gold, if I buy the Tome for the herc, can I give it to my veno if I buy it on my cleric? or is it untradeable?)
Also, I should get rid of that Dubo(or w/e its called) skill and get Bash? Or Fresh Ream?
And also, at what lvls should I be able to solo TTs with Herc? And what TTs?
Also, when do you see the REAL potential of a herc? Right now its only lvl 10 ATM. and its just like any other regular pet. =\
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  • Plicid - Heavens Tear
    Plicid - Heavens Tear Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    1 "Do you guys spend the 2gold a week so it doesn't starve?"

    this is a good option until you can get a tome. but if you have any Tome (ex. christmas love Up and down) you only have to feed it to increase loyalty.

    2."Also, I should get rid of that Dubo(or w/e its called) skill and get Bash? Or Fresh Ream?"

    The skill is called Pounce in PWI, and yes I am of the group that believes Bash works best for keeping agro(reflect does most of the work on bosses, but on normal mobs and non TT bosses you need Bash) since bash happens twice as often as flesh ream it will create more agro.

    3."And also, at what lvls should I be able to solo TTs with Herc? And what TTs?"

    you can usually do a TT about the time you can open it with some diferences depending on certain bosses, like drummer in 1-1 will need a cleric to heal you at first since herc can live but you can't. Although indivedual TTs differ depending on your equip. how much channeling, weapon refines ect.

    4."Also, when do you see the REAL potential of a herc? Right now its only lvl 10 ATM. and its just like any other regular pet"

    they are far superior to any normal pet. you will see this once you gain a few levels and you have to deal with bosses. A high level herc with the "Blessing of the Pack" skill that comes on a nix the herc becomes a tank for World bosses, Belial, and other End game content.

    hope this helps
  • _Leiian_ - Heavens Tear
    _Leiian_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 206 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I think there will be a problem in getting tome before noone has reached lvl 70-80.
    Get a tome asap, anyway.
    Bash is the best aggro skill for the cd, also because herc has double aggro.
    There are some bosses hard to solo in tt squad mode:
    lord of percussion (aka drummer) in 1-1/1-2, almost impossible I think in 1-3. Never tried, but u've to speak with a veno 90+ about this;
    soulbanisher in 1-x, hard and maybe impossible in 1-3 (ask to another veno about this, too);
    cosmoforce in 2-2 (idk about 2-3);
    wurlord in 2-x;
    djinnscream aint soloable in 3-x cuz the time, but he hit herc for about nothing;
    Idk about other bossess.

    If u dont lag, u're able to tank all 1-1 at lvl 63, with a cleric for drummer, and also tank all 3-1 about lvl 80. From 83, with few -channelling gears, u can also start soloing 3-1 squad mode.
    About 2-x, u can tank 2-2 at lvl 78-79, except wurlord and cosmo.
    About 1-x u should be able to tank all bosses, except drummer and soulbanisher, at lvl u can enter the istance.
    Remember to lvl up always ur heal pet skill, and take the loyalty high. ^^

    GL, and have fun!
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    A herc. At a very low level. Huh.

    Well, it'll kill stuff good. You'll never have to mouse-bash to get it up to your level, that's good.

    Pounce is actually really nice - especially early on you'll not be needing bash to hold aggro, and anyway adding skills is pet-level locked and bash 1 is hardly worth spit.

    Yes, you want a tome. Since you're willing to cash shop, just craft a low level one from ... oh wait, you ALSO need the drops that come from rebirth. Which are going to be expensive on a brand new server. Sucks to be you! No, don't buy the week-long tome.

    You can farm (or pay other players to farm) meat. I suggest that until you can craft a low-level tome.

    Tomes are tradeable.

    You'll be able to solo most of TT as soon as you can pry the doors open. See the many many MANY threads about this.

    I also STRONGLY advise playing at least some of the time with a weaker pet - it will teach you what to do when you get into difficulties.
  • Esuna - Raging Tide
    Esuna - Raging Tide Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

    I also STRONGLY advise playing at least some of the time with a weaker pet - it will teach you what to do when you get into difficulties.

    ^Load of ****. Players often suggest using lesser means or not oracling/Hypering so you can "learn" stuff.

    Tell me what exactly does one learn from a Pet that doesn't hit as hard or tank as well as a Herc?

    It's like saying, "ride a bicycle for a couple of years, then you'll be able to drive a car more easily later on".
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  • Skimi - Dreamweaver
    Skimi - Dreamweaver Posts: 333 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    now leave the game
    jking...but that rly seemed good idea for me...i got herc..game over XD
    well u still have to learn how to use it
    and u can prolly get low lvl tome or xmass tome cheaper than 2 gold and it will last u forever
    well bash seems to not hold agro for me....no idea how other venos can tank with bash....but i dunno r other agro skills better than bash
    and for tt, on DW server mostly only venos or ur friends will help u open tt squad mode...strangers ask for money...50k smth. and as im not the one who likes to spam or bother friends/guild then i end up paying 150k total to get into tt, so low lvl tt doesnt really pay back...im still doing solo tt runs as i did with cub...prolly would get nix instead of herc if could do it again

    i dun agree with playing weaker pets too...u better learn how to play with herc and how much he can handle, and what classes/lvls r most likely to steal agro so u dun even bother trying to tank lol
  • Orga - Archosaur
    Orga - Archosaur Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Hey Esuna =)
    Are you still punching them nigs in the mouth on LoL? LOL

    Oh btw, I keep hearing you guys saying:
    I only have to feed it until I get a tome. If im understanding it right, Once I get ANY tome, my herc wont get hungry anymore?? That sounds weird but is that true?? Or do you guys just mean the Feeding tome?

    Alright thanks so much guys for all the info.
    Ive played a Veno before up to lvl 70 on DW with a Crystal Mag. Just never had a Herc before.
    I know how to use pets =)

    Ohh Btw, Is TT rushable with herc?? Like can I make my herc run out and agro all the mobs while I run through? or is this a no?
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    What they mean is any tome will make pet not hungry. b:surrender
    Its kind of a glitch i say . . that make every tome working just like feeding tome.

    About rushing b:laugh better just kill them first before rushing. b:laugh
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well, the reason I give the advice (and you can have my herc when you tear it from the talons of my cold dead phoenix) is that it's actually quite HARD to get into trouble with normal mobs when using a herc.

    So when you DO get into trouble, you're somewhere that is hard to salvage. Like a bigass aoe boss halfway through a TT run or something.

    And that's not exactly the best place to learn.

    But if you use a normal pet, you can go and get into trouble much earlier on, in much safer places. And learn the things you need to know before you really need to know them.
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Besides, there are quite a few normal pets that are better at grinding than the herc, so it will actualy teach people to learn about the pets.

    Just like Esuna supporting using the best pet, I also suggest using something else other than the herc for grinding/kill quests. Why get stuck with an average grinding pet (the herc is an average grinding pet), when you can use a very good grinding pet instead. The herc may be the best overall pet and the best tank (not counting a eledrgoth with herc skills for those ranged tanking situations), but most pets can tank a few mobs and dish out more damage than the herc. A walker/wonderer/scorpion/mag/ with 3 attack skills and howl will far surpass a herc as a grinding pet. A eldergoth can be far better of a tank against certain mobs as well.

    So I also would recommend someone that just got a herc to also look at other pets, since the herc WILL NOT replace all ground pets, and some of the regular ones will be much better than the herc for specific jobs.
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  • Esuna - Raging Tide
    Esuna - Raging Tide Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Orga - Archosaur wrote: »
    Hey Esuna =)
    Are you still punching them nigs in the mouth on LoL? LOL

    Oh btw, I keep hearing you guys saying:
    I only have to feed it until I get a tome. If im understanding it right, Once I get ANY tome, my herc wont get hungry anymore?? That sounds weird but is that true?? Or do you guys just mean the Feeding tome?

    Alright thanks so much guys for all the info.
    Ive played a Veno before up to lvl 70 on DW with a Crystal Mag. Just never had a Herc before.
    I know how to use pets =)

    Ohh Btw, Is TT rushable with herc?? Like can I make my herc run out and agro all the mobs while I run through? or is this a no?

    Who is this? Lol.

    @ Tome question. The Tome stops the Pet from becoming less Loyal over time as it usually would. When it dies, it loses Loyalty, so you still have to feed it when that happens. If you fill it's Loyalty up it's Attack to 120% and EXP gain raises to 150%.

    @ Rushing with a Herc. No I don't think so. A Herc will only chase a designated monster within range and in most cases you'll need to heal it to make it survive being chased by a dozen TT monsters, causing a lot of them to aggro you as they haven't been hit by the Herc yet. It's best to dodge where you can with Holy Path, then pop a Bramble Hood and run for the stairs. (assuming this is about squad 2-x runs)
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Besides, there are quite a few normal pets that are better at grinding than the herc, so it will actualy teach people to learn about the pets.

    Just like Esuna supporting using the best pet, I also suggest using something else other than the herc for grinding/kill quests. Why get stuck with an average grinding pet (the herc is an average grinding pet), when you can use a very good grinding pet instead. The herc may be the best overall pet and the best tank (not counting a eledrgoth with herc skills for those ranged tanking situations), but most pets can tank a few mobs and dish out more damage than the herc. A walker/wonderer/scorpion/mag/ with 3 attack skills and howl will far surpass a herc as a grinding pet. A eldergoth can be far better of a tank against certain mobs as well.

    So I also would recommend someone that just got a herc to also look at other pets, since the herc WILL NOT replace all ground pets, and some of the regular ones will be much better than the herc for specific jobs.

    Grinding is dead. For all other purposes, Nix or Sawfly.
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  • Vixre - Harshlands
    Vixre - Harshlands Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Grats on your herc!

    I read a little into the which-other-pet-to-get argument, just going to offer a few tips.

    Get another land pet with Pounce (pet stun) on it, the Shadou Cub, and the Armored Bear, having them is nice for stuns in a PvP situation inside an instance. And if you do plan on PvPing a lot, consider getting a second flying pet if your first one dies. This could be 2 sawflies, 2 nixes, a nix and a sawfly, etc etc. Nice having back up when one dies.

    And get a ranged pet if you're interested in soloing Sonic Oppressor (WB).

    You might want to grind these pets from when you can get them, it's a pain in the **** grinding them up even if you do the #4 room in cube.

    Other than that, just stick to the herc.
    Some people may argue that some pet are better at this or that on certain situations, but from personal experience, I stopped caring a long time ago... having the herc as your pet actually gives you time to throw around spells; sure some pets do more damage, but they require more heals and that's just too much work. Call me lazy, but I find it more enjoyable to be able to cast skills more than once before going to heal again.

    Oh, and don't forget to upgrade your pet skills, if this is the first time you've played a veno, remember to visit Mrs.Zoologist in SouthWest Arch and upgrade your pet skills.
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    And to answer your question about when you'll realize the herc's potential... pretty much every boss you have to kill from quests. I've tanked all of my own FB/Quest bosses, with a few exceptions such as water bosses (Dragon of the Depth), and curse/debuff bosses (Krimson, Wyvern, FB69). I was especially glad when I was able to tank my own SC49 at lv50.

    Soloing TT squad modes are kinda nice too, although I prefer to do mine with a cleric for back up/charm-saving.
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    You want to get retribution flame tome

    look here
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=250862

    I didn't replace pounce untill it was lvl 30

    You will be surprised and how much you will be wanted in squads with a herc.I hope you have lots of fun with it.
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  • Orga - Archosaur
    Orga - Archosaur Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Im probably going to get a +vit tome.
    Im going Pure Mag Veno build. So I need Vit equip.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Orga - Archosaur wrote: »
    Im probably going to get a +vit tome.
    Im going Pure Mag Veno build. So I need Vit equip.

    I wouldn't rule out a +Str tome as it would yield more pdef (multiplied on in Fox Form), and more patk (and lower HP but cheaper HP recov). Venos are screwed on vit. Consider pdef, mag, and straight up HP. Not to say I wouldn't imbue a Genesis stone for +10vit at almost the cost of a Garnet Gem.
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    or you can get str+vit tome, like the cheapest one +4 str +3 vit i think.

    if you are going to consider str giving you pdef then +5str (or a multiple by 5) is +1 pdef while +4vit is +1 pdef and +1 mag

    veno get 12 hp from vit, considering wizards/clerics get like 10 hp per vit i dont see how screwed is veno. while pdef is multiplied is even less necessary to imbue everything with garnets since you already have good def with pdef ornaments and lets say a few G11 garnets and fox form. after that you need hp and citrine will do better for survivability than garnets (remember sharding thread) but that after a certain point... ofc you first use garnets then citrine
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Yeh, should have said caster classes get screwed on vit but we can all make up for it in pdef multipliers and lower HP/ high def = savings / efficiency. Str+vit also sounds like a good idea.
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  • Skimi - Dreamweaver
    Skimi - Dreamweaver Posts: 333 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    i have rushed through some mobs in tt, but not all of them, herc cant handle to many of those unless its really high level u do 1-1
    well normally ppl get herc at lvl 70ish+ if dont spend rl money, till that level venos have enough time to learn game with normal pets so i really dont see a reason why they would need to use other pet, lvling pets with all dailies might be more painfull
    and ya other pets have higher dmg, but also think about how much more u have to heal other pets and herc also have relfect what also deals dmg and to more than one mob.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Grinding efficiency really depends on many factors including terrain, mobs, your build, etc. I've actually found mobs that a Celestial Sting or Ethereal Inamorato can pwn (-hard to believe huh?), then there are mobs in Unicorn Forest that a Herc can be great for.

    I've been pre-leveling my pets so I only need to kill one mob to get them to my next level. At level 100, this becomes insane for multiple pets. If I wasn't already insane enough to try for the Grade14 Ence's Scar I'd probably give up on many of them. My exp % is still going up pretty fast making it even more troubling. BH's are so damn profitable to do at 100+ and then Success Mode is so freakin' fun.
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Esuna - Raging Tide wrote: »
    @ Rushing with a Herc. No I don't think so. A Herc will only chase a designated monster within range and in most cases you'll need to heal it to make it survive being chased by a dozen TT monsters, causing a lot of them to aggro you as they haven't been hit by the Herc yet. It's best to dodge where you can with Holy Path, then pop a Bramble Hood and run for the stairs. (assuming this is about squad 2-x runs)
    There's a little trick you can do with a herc to get by a few mobs without aggroing them. Summon herc and buff it with the two defense buffs but not bramble. Send it to attack the furthest mob of the group. Just before it gets there and attacks, order it to stop. Once all the mobs are aggroed on the herc, hit holy path and run past them. Stop at a safe distance and stow the herc. The mobs will only have aggroed on the herc. Since it did no damage, you will not have any aggro.
  • Esuna - Raging Tide
    Esuna - Raging Tide Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    There's a little trick you can do with a herc to get by a few mobs without aggroing them. Summon herc and buff it with the two defense buffs but not bramble. Send it to attack the furthest mob of the group. Just before it gets there and attacks, order it to stop. Once all the mobs are aggroed on the herc, hit holy path and run past them. Stop at a safe distance and stow the herc. The mobs will only have aggroed on the herc. Since it did no damage, you will not have any aggro.

    This becomes very tricky in the segment after Feng in 2-2/2-3 though with the explodey hands and random running horsemen
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    oh 2-2/2-3 is pretty easy. after you kill fataliqua rush till stairs... dont even need pet for this just run with holy path. kill mobs near wurlord, rush to wurlord portal with hood or just go near wall and walk. feng is easy to avoid going near wall, rush cosmoforce with holypath or hood. you can kill one tree in those small rooms and avoid the other one and last 2 rooms just rush fox form and hood or holy path. its not hard to gain 2 sparks for hood when you have a pet to heal and its faster than killing mobs. i can rush all w/o hood since i have decent pdef/hp and pots... with heavy armor i think its even easier

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