True Form and grinding

Furries - Dreamweaver
Furries - Dreamweaver Posts: 966 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Barbarian
I keep on hearing people say that they grind in human form because, of the damage reduction tigers get.

to be honest i think that just stupid

At lvls 9-29 u have flesh ream... this stacks.. and never misses

most barbs at these lvls are going to have problems with accuracy
and can fairly easy see a tiger out dps than a human

at 29 u get devour and can now lower their def, increasing the dps u do

max devour cuts thier def in half

50% damage + 200% damage = 100% damage

plus in tiger u have more def and HP

the only human skills than has anything on a tiger skill is bestial onslaught
Killing level 80's with a lvl 60 is a lot more fun than killing level 90's with a level 100.
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  • Basingeth - Lost City
    Basingeth - Lost City Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    For questing and grinding I used human until around 55. At that level I switched to tiger form. It all depends on how much money and how fast you wanna do it. Human also has more skills early on.

    Human = faster but costs more
    Tiger = slower but costs less

    At least that's how I see it.
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    True form is effective overall. You get much better DPS with smaller cost of MP at the same time. Devour makes a great opener. I noticed that I take slower in human form and yes a lot more costly, but tiger form is a lot slower and more costly.

    If you use one or the other, it is kinda going to slow you down either way. Also in tanking, I always open with devour too and I always spam it, its more reliable than flesh ream while the mobs or bosses are on bleed. Maintaining aggro as well. The chi cost seems high, but that can change.


    Tiger form > Devour > flesh ream > human form > garrote > single target skills (1 vs 1) / AOE skills (frontal spray AOE)
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    seeing as how this above post is full of self contradiction, and inaccurate advice/friviolous MP usage, id have to concur with the 99 barbarian poster. in the few levels ive spent on my 65 barbarian ive noticed questing is dirt slow in tiger, but i save a ton on potions, whereas if im in human, sure i spare half the time, but cost myself a small penny in life powders and or pots.

    precariously, it comes to each users individual preference and budget. to deem one more efffective than another based on opinion of fact rather than hard fact itself is just plain absurd.
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  • ClericNico - Dreamweaver
    ClericNico - Dreamweaver Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Personally, i usually prefer to grind in tiger form. There was a stretch from like 45-55ish tho where i had charms and was doing a lot of aoe for my quests. With the onset of bh, tho, i really don't grind much on the barb anymore.

    ~EDIT~ It is slower grinding in tiger, but i personally don't think it's as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Just ream a couple times to help ur dps.

    Also, @ OP: Flesh ream DOES miss sometimes, but strangely, it does seem to do so less than normal attacks or other skills.
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  • Basingeth - Lost City
    Basingeth - Lost City Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Flesh ream is 100% accurate. Read the skill description.
  • Gimlett - Lost City
    Gimlett - Lost City Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I chuckled when I saw the flesh ream missing comment! Maybe you're thinking about alacrity of the beast missing?

    I grind in tiger form all the time, max out sunder and surf impact and you can take on alot of physical mobs at once and probbaly won't need to pot (for hp) or use tree even. If you think it's slower... just get more mobs at once!
  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Basingeth - Lost City wrote: »
    For questing and grinding I used human until around 55. At that level I switched to tiger form. It all depends on how much money and how fast you wanna do it. Human also has more skills early on.

    Human = faster but costs more
    Tiger = slower but costs less

    At least that's how I see it.

    I agree completely.

    I actually switched to tiger a bit earlier for grinding. Overall I find Tiger more effective for AOE grinding for the simple reason of speed. I can grab more mobs, and take more hits in tiger form. I can turtle to reduce damage, frighten and roar to build chi, surf impact and sunder to AOE the mobs.

    Human Grinding costs more in terms of pots. And even though the mobs die a bit faster, there's no real damage reduction skills, so I believe that repairs will be higher in cost.
    Also, @ OP: Flesh ream DOES miss sometimes, but strangely, it does seem to do so less than normal attacks or other skills.

    hmmm so 100% accurate in the skill description means nothing? And in my experience, since it's become 100% accurate it's never missed, even when I had 600 accuracy?
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  • Brutu - Heavens Tear
    Brutu - Heavens Tear Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Human form barbs get both the defense reduction skill(though it is less effective then devour maxed)and gets a never miss skill that also stuns, not to mention the human form barbs get double damage and skills like penetrate armor which not only lowers the enemy's defense(as said above)but does some pretty nasty damage.

    But what tiger form barbs do get is an interrupt skill so the mob's first magic shot won't hit you and also a self heal, so in the end the level 99 barb above is right.

    Human form is faster but more expensive.

    Tiger form is slower but less expensive.
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    seeing as how this above post is full of self contradiction, and inaccurate advice/friviolous MP usage, id have to concur with the 99 barbarian poster. in the few levels ive spent on my 65 barbarian ive noticed questing is dirt slow in tiger, but i save a ton on potions, whereas if im in human, sure i spare half the time, but cost myself a small penny in life powders and or pots.

    precariously, it comes to each users individual preference and budget. to deem one more efffective than another based on opinion of fact rather than hard fact itself is just plain absurd.

    Wow, I always grind in both forms, devour > penetrate armor. Too slow to switch forms? I done this like all time time when grinding. Seriously... my true form costs only 40 mana (LVL2) just to switch, he should have less MP than your barb, and your barb probably is LVL1 XD which costs 20 mana, is it that much? Life powder, barbs only need HP recovery powders in instances other than BH. Apparently you think you know everything do you?
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Apparently you think you know everything do you?
    your skill chains are inefficient, you've displayed this in your 'my archer dies alot' thread in the archer forum. you're also being ignorant to the fact some people like to use life powders to calm down the effects of pot usage. try being an assassin for example, it helps them a ton too.

    do people a favor and stop posting.
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    your skill chains are inefficient, you've displayed this in your 'my archer dies alot' thread in the archer forum. you're also being ignorant to the fact some people like to use life powders to calm down the effects of pot usage. try being an assassin for example, it helps them a ton too.

    Not my fault your squishy barb can't survive w/o life powder. I thought you rely on HP charms for foxwings b:laugh . I am not saying if a barb using life powder is for wimps, I mean some areas barbs don't need to use it. My skill chains worked, I even done skill chaining on them kiting mobs. Barbs and archers are 2 different classes, b:shutup
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  • Belgare - Sanctuary
    Belgare - Sanctuary Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    To me, a successful grinding session is one in which in the end, the targeted mob is dead, my Barb is unhurt, and I am feeling satisfied. Who the hell cares what method I use or path I take to achieve this end result? As long as it WORKS for you.
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  • Basingeth - Lost City
    Basingeth - Lost City Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    In reference to Yulk's strategy.

    Keep in mind that whenever you switch back to tiger, you will not have full hp. If you stay in tiger you will not lose the hp just by switching. That hp is better spent on the mobs, imo.

    Yulk's strategy is more for people who want to kill the fastest and burn pots.

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