I just don't get it

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=595361


I'm a level 22 Psychic and I already have 3mill I have been playing on this version of PW for not very long... Great guide, follow it.

Plicid - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Have you tried pressing the "O" key?

troll more.

It must be rather hard getting a herc/nix these days unless you cash shop

I got my herc at lvl 70 back in the days just from saving up all my grind money. I started saving up force/feathers at lvl 10 with money i could spare and after like 10-12 weeks i had all 9999. Than once you got herc it was easy to solo HH/fb79 for a couple of week to get a nix.

But back than gold was like 100k each and HHmats/fb79 molders mats was worth a lot b:chuckle Was so easy to get legendary pets without cash shopping.

Dont think you can get a herc/nix now before lvl 90 unless you cash shop or if you just get really lucky in general with drops and such. Can dig mid/special mats for money, merchandise and have buy/sell shop, farm HH in solomode 80+ i guess. Just have to accept the fact that it will take a couple of months.

SupaRoyalty - Lost City wrote: »

troll more.

Yes you should! Then we can pick on you.

Nice to see you again Plicid! Take care of Hop.


You make money by grinding and selling.

Do you need a herc to be useful at high levels? No. The problem comes at high levels when although we are not useless, we are not as usefull as a veno with a herc.

1. Catshop set up buying high mats, making wines, selling for profit.
2. Farm high mats. If you can sell them as wines for 3k each and at average gold prices...

20,000 high mats will get you herc. A good mat route will get you 20 mats every ten minutes if you have it times correctly. Bottom line:

166 hours of farming high mats. About 2 months for 2-3 hours a day.

You can cut that time way down by simply investing $50 in gold and playing the market (buy high, sell low) and trolling AH for good deals. Good luck.

Honestly, since I've really been interested in getting on my veno and leveling her (or him?). I came to the conclusion that unless you're going to cash shop. Veno might not be the best class to start off with. Sure they're great to solo with but fact of the matter is. Squadding earns you more money, after a time on the game you will inevitably get to know some people. Whom you of course, will be able to run several TT/FB/FF whatever runs with, you'll quickly have people in your friend's list which you'll mark as "Usual TT buddy" or w/e.
However, a venomancer is not all that great as a DD in TTs, and with zeal genies. We really don't need a veno except for maybe some cases. Sure their pets are sufficient DDs in a TT but what good are they if the pet keeps dying, in that case a same level assassin/archer will out DD the pet even with the damage reduction.

So, what I plan to do is simply sub TT runs on my BM and get the money for a Herc and then roll a Veno, or at least get a good head start in terms of coins before starting to level my veno.
I've been grinding for my TT90 set and within a week I've come a long way, I've almost got all the materials needed and expect to have the rest of them within next week. Now I don't run 10 TTs a day, so it certainly is possible to get a good amount of money in a short period of time. That being said, most TT90 pieces sell for 3m to 5m a piece. so it wouldn't take that long of a time to get the ~70m (7k per SoF on my server, so that's about 70m for a herc) needed for the pet.
So yeah, unless you plan to first level your veno 8x-9x and then start squadding and subbing TT runs (Regardless if you have a herc or not. A veno is still just a DD unless specifically agreed otherwise by the squad) your only other options are cash shopping, or go down the slow route. Sure merchanting is great and all selling materials. But eh, there will always be that one shop right next to/near yours that sells it for 2 coins cheaper and gets all the sales. That's the hard part about merchanting with items that are out there to grab at lower levels. It's everyone's way of making money.

Edit: My avatar lies, my character is about to hit 86. Just so people don't say I'm trolling about doing the TT runs for my TT90 gear.

Jhalil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Honestly, since I've really been interested in getting on my veno and leveling her (or him?). I came to the conclusion that unless you're going to cash shop. Veno might not be the best class to start off with. Sure they're great to solo with but fact of the matter is. Squadding earns you more money, after a time on the game you will inevitably get to know some people. Whom you of course, will be able to run several TT/FB/FF whatever runs with, you'll quickly have people in your friend's list which you'll mark as "Usual TT buddy" or w/e.
However, a venomancer is not all that great as a DD in TTs, and with zeal genies. We really don't need a veno except for maybe some cases. Sure their pets are sufficient DDs in a TT but what good are they if the pet keeps dying, in that case a same level assassin/archer will out DD the pet even with the damage reduction.

So, what I plan to do is simply sub TT runs on my BM and get the money for a Herc and then roll a Veno, or at least get a good head start in terms of coins before starting to level my veno.
I've been grinding for my TT90 set and within a week I've come a long way, I've almost got all the materials needed and expect to have the rest of them within next week. Now I don't run 10 TTs a day, so it certainly is possible to get a good amount of money in a short period of time. That being said, most TT90 pieces sell for 3m to 5m a piece. so it wouldn't take that long of a time to get the ~70m (7k per SoF on my server, so that's about 70m for a herc) needed for the pet.
So yeah, unless you plan to first level your veno 8x-9x and then start squadding and subbing TT runs (Regardless if you have a herc or not. A veno is still just a DD unless specifically agreed otherwise by the squad) your only other options are cash shopping, or go down the slow route. Sure merchanting is great and all selling materials. But eh, there will always be that one shop right next to/near yours that sells it for 2 coins cheaper and gets all the sales. That's the hard part about merchanting with items that are out there to grab at lower levels. It's everyone's way of making money.

Edit: My avatar lies, my character is about to hit 86. Just so people don't say I'm trolling about doing the TT runs for my TT90 gear.

lol..
1st of all veno isnt just another dd,veno makes more dmg then any other class because of pet which dont have dmg reduction on bosses.if barb is any good he wont be losing aggro and if veno knows even a bit of that class,pet wont die.
every veno when dd on boss,should turn off casting skills on her pet so it dont get aggro.
i hope u do realize venos dont need party for hh,just gonna solo squad mode and keep all the drops,sell what they dont need.
most of venos goes in squad cuz someone else invite them,or they helping farm for guild or for friend.
pulling with zeal can fail,veno wont i guess thats why people prefer squad up with veno.
squad might get it done faster,but dont expect from squad to hand u in all mats.
if ur only interested in getting hh90 gear,my suggestion is to find a good faction who helps with hh90 gear,instead of lvling veno and spending 70mil+ on herc.

and for OP,b4 u try sell stuff compare prices in other cat shops/ah,dont overprice things ur trying to sell,cuz u might end up waiting forever.

True, the veno does more damage than any other class. But what good will that do you in the TT runs that actually matter if you don't have a herc? Magmite can't tank Wurlord, Drumboss (1-3), Soul Banisher and most of the other bosses at higher difficulties which are the ones with the good drops anyway. So it still comes down to it, if you don't have a herc your pet is going to die a lot against those bosses and you will inevitably die yourself or create the possibility of stealing aggro, then losing it and someone else besides the barb gets it (One of the other DDs) and they will also die.

And I also hope that you realize that Solo mode on TT is very limited and the drops generally suck. Which brings me back to the first point and essentially the OP's question, how do people do it without hercs or how they manage to get a herc. If you don't have one, you're going to be stuck doing the Solo TT runs that barely drop anything worth selling.
I'm sorry if I offended any of you playing the class, but I still stand my ground and say that veno is by far not essential on 90% of the TT runs. "Safe" pulling is nonsense, it's more like "easier" pulling. Most of my TT runs involve having no Veno and I've never had a problem pulling/luring bosses/mobs to where they need to be using a zeal genie.
Sure Venos are great as an extra and the extra damage is nice from the pet, but when it comes down to it. They are hardly as essential as other classes are.
As for the TT90 gear, my point wasn't that I want a veno to be able to farm it. My point is that it's easy to get the TT90 gear within a short period of time. Which can be converted to x amount of coins within that period of time. So gathering the money for a herc/phoenix shouldn't be all that hard if you use another main character first.

To answer the person about why I want to roll a veno: It's either a veno or a barb, and I'm kind of bored of playing Melee characters, and I hated all other magic/caster classes.
And I won't be getting a herc per se at first, I'm more interested in the phoenix b:bye

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Anyway. Venos are great in TT squads even if they're not the tank. Loads of lubbly damage puts those bosses to sleep quickety quick.

Essential?
No. The only essential classes are barb and cleric.

Thank you, I believe you only read the last post but you just pointed out exactly what I said. That MOST, and notice the word "most" Venos are just a nice addition as a DD class. Which the previous two Veno players got a little bit angry at me for saying that :P

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »

Who might this "Hop" be that you talk about? b:question

Back to subject: you also make money by saving up more and more, and not spending it on useless stuff like um clothes...

Hopsu, a cleric from HT.

Jhalil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

True, the veno does more damage than any other class. But what good will that do you in the TT runs that actually matter if you don't have a herc? Magmite can't tank Wurlord, Drumboss (1-3), Soul Banisher and most of the other bosses at higher difficulties which are the ones with the good drops anyway. So it still comes down to it, if you don't have a herc your pet is going to die a lot against those bosses and you will inevitably die yourself or create the possibility of stealing aggro, then losing it and someone else besides the barb gets it (One of the other DDs) and they will also die.

And I also hope that you realize that Solo mode on TT is very limited and the drops generally suck. Which brings me back to the first point and essentially the OP's question, how do people do it without hercs or how they manage to get a herc. If you don't have one, you're going to be stuck doing the Solo TT runs that barely drop anything worth selling.
I'm sorry if I offended any of you playing the class, but I still stand my ground and say that veno is by far not essential on 90% of the TT runs. "Safe" pulling is nonsense, it's more like "easier" pulling. Most of my TT runs involve having no Veno and I've never had a problem pulling/luring bosses/mobs to where they need to be using a zeal genie.
Sure Venos are great as an extra and the extra damage is nice from the pet, but when it comes down to it. They are hardly as essential as other classes are.
As for the TT90 gear, my point wasn't that I want a veno to be able to farm it. My point is that it's easy to get the TT90 gear within a short period of time. Which can be converted to x amount of coins within that period of time. So gathering the money for a herc/phoenix shouldn't be all that hard if you use another main character first.

To answer the person about why I want to roll a veno: It's either a veno or a barb, and I'm kind of bored of playing Melee characters, and I hated all other magic/caster classes.
And I won't be getting a herc per se at first, I'm more interested in the phoenix b:bye

so ur pretty much saying veno is useless without herc or nix?
with amp and pet veno is still gonna outdmg any class on boss,no matter what pet is using it.
1st to make it clear i meant if barb is tanking,ur pet wont die,cuz its only there for DD..
if i am tanking,why would i take the barb to DD?ill rather take archer or mage then which gonna make more dmg and they not melee,since some bosses aoes on melee class and then cleric would have to heal instead of dd,which is only gonna make it slower.
and i am supposed to hand over all mats to barb since they got 1st pick in squads cuz he... what,buffed me?lol
and 2nd if ur talking about veno with a herc,why the hell would that veno go in squad to tank,lure,make most dmg and get one of lasts picks?just can solo all and keep all the drops b:dirty
what u meant by ''They are hardly as essential as other classes are''?
yes barb is required for SOME bosses,not all,and clerics i love them i have one too,and i would always party with one of them but i know for sure i would always choose another veno to go in hh with me,then a bm and i know alot of other people would too.b:bye