Demon Veno?

This thread again. Come on, you know there are tens of such threads on here. The info is still there for you to read; repeating the same stuff over and over is pointless.

And no, sage is not better then demon for a veno. They are equal in regard to overall effectivness. Simply said, you won't go wrong with either choice.

(I'm demon and went demon for the extra crit).

Demon Effects I liked better than sage:
venomous wood debuff, since it's your main spam skill when cutting through regular mobs it's pretty much always on.
Summer sprint immunity..stun immunity, yes please. Though I think this is tied in my eyes with the sage summer sprint (removes any debuff)
demon bramble increases reflect damage to 75% and extends it to 15 minutes, sage only extends to 20 minutes without a damage increase
demon fox form, yum.
Parasitic nova, obviously
noxious, with all the FF and RB now a lower cooldown is nice so you don't just stand there for awhile waiting on it.
Demon amp is better for soloing bosses but I would prefer sage amp in group because
it isn't such a hassle to reapply it and then people get happy with their big numbers..

Damewort - Sanctuary wrote: »

For mass pk/tw sage would be better, I think. Even if it is only cause of aoe purge.

That really depends.

Personally I think launching a demon nova into said collection of people, which is followed by, say, a sparked wiz aoe spell is a bit more effective. As in all the people get debuffed, with the minor side effect of them being very dead.

There are 3 skills that make demon WF a demon WF.

a) Fox form. Move speed for switching is so useful in PvE and very nice in PvP for kiting.
b) Hell Ironwood. Mainly a PvP skill, 20% chance to reduce targets Pdef to 0 = 3.4k nix bleeds and ~1.5k pecks.
c) Hell Parasitic Nova. Dragon along with a 8 second seal and stun, mainly a PvP skill but definitely has its uses in PvP.


Personally I'm going sage because I really love the benefits such as sharptooth, infinite chi, and longer stuns. Eventually AoE purge as well. b:victory

ok ill explain why i went sage over demon,but 1st i want to say that PVE dont mean much to me.it gets boring on higher lvl,no1 ever grinds anymore,and some bosses in instances does aoes on melee classes,so i am mostly in human form,focused on pvp and TW's and i use fox only for boost of pdef,amp and purge.

i was planning go demon,but..2 reasons make me go sage.
1st 90% of venos i know (pretty sure most of venos on server too) went demon,i dont like to be same as everyone else b:chuckle
2nd reason was i decided to stay arcane,boost of pdef in fox form means more to me then speed.i dont like to run away in pvp,so speed dont mean much to me in fox form and it works only on ground,i can use holy path instead.

like kenlee said,Master Li's Technique,skill for gaining instant chi means alot especially in tw's.

apot.pots have long cooldown so i rather save them for something else,like anti stun pots then gaining chi,same goes for genie,i save energy in it for other skills...which leads me to summer sprint,why is demon summer good i can get that with anti stun pots,but sage version purify all negative effects.

when people explain why they choose demon,somehow always parastic nova appears in theirs post,again i avoid use that skill because ill rather save my 2 sparks for hood,when i get sage version ill probably use it more then now.

then there is purge..demon with 25 cooldown compared to aoe purge with 30sec cooldown,i dont need shorter cooldown if i already debuffed all i wanted

amp sage,some venos told me that gm's confirmed it DOES stack with lvl 10,which means 55% additional damage,combine that with extreme poison..well u get the point.
and noxious and lucky,sage version works much better for me then demon,i prefer more dmg or stun longer for 1sec then reduced cooldown.

nature grace and metabolic boost recover 60% instead of 50% compared to demon which have reduced cooldown.

bramble guard is kinda equal to me,reflecting more dmg is nice..but also not rebuffing in the middle of bosses or in middle of tw's is nice too.

ironwood demon is much better then sage..but only if it would work all the time,but 20% wasnt enough for me to change my mind..when i would need it,it wouldnt work.

rest of skills i wont even mention cuz they are melee and as AA i wont go near my enemies to stun them with stunning blow or use leech,if i was HA then yeah..probably,but as AA i prefer ranged skills.

dappellight wrote: »

Seems like sage has better numbers and will do their little thing all the time...But when demon actually works you'll end up getting better results. So you can kill by being alittle bit better or by luck.b:victory

Not sure, but i think she prolly made her decision since it's a thread wrote in 2010...

Closed for necro.