Ahh! Im Gonna Hate Level 89! Help! Y.y

Pinball_Map - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Dude go demon. Trust me, I cannot stress how much of a potential money maker/solo you can be. Lemme tell you how it works...

Deicide Claws + Minus Interval Gears + Demon Spark (You'll make chi like mad crazy) + Blood Paint = SOLO TT TIME!


That's all xD

Minimum of 200 self-heal every second is very nice And that is against the ? bosses, others give much more. Soloed the beginning bosses of 99 culti with just bloodpaint and spark. I love sins for just that one skill alone b:dirty

Pinball_Map - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You heal for about 500-700 per second and you heal 20% Hp from Triple Sparking. Demon Spark will allow you to hit very fast in terms of gaining chi.

So basically you'll be triple sparking constantly

? Boss damage reduction. Maybe with really high refinement, but with +3 Deicides with Garnet gem I deal around 2K damage a hit, 40 health gained from bloodpaint. X5 with APS for 200 health a second. With complete end game gear and +12 weapon, it is possible to gain that much. But for everyone else, it will be around 3XX-4XX if they have a moderate refine rate on their weapon, more if double garneted (+8-10, which seems a waste right now when they could get nirvana instead)

On normal bosses, the health gain is of course obscene. And makes it ridiculously easy to tank bosses, faster, and safer.

DEMON PWNS!! sage sucks... b:victory

mastery isn't even THAT big of a gain in damage. You are talking about a difference of 15% weapon mastery and a +1% crit. I dunno how mastery affects BMs but for archers a sage mastery is only an increase of damage by 3% compared to +2% crits.

Looking strictly at skills usable by axes:

Demon gets:

longer drake, longer HF, no-miss RotP, better fissure add (slow can stop kiters at least, only time sage add is useful is so wiz's can do more damage (delta)), drake's sweep gains quite some chi in AoE (statistically every 5 mobs/players = 30 chi)

Sage gets:

180% sutras, Aeolian Blade's damage boost, Stronger Bell, chance of +20% crit add on highland cleave (demon's att speed boost doesn't help axes), 50 chi every 30 seconds


Personally i'd go demon, but i'm multipathing with fists too

HeavensWing - Sanctuary wrote: »

*sigh* Again, IM NOT FISTS.
Im a ****ing Axe Bm like said in the first post <.>

Restricting your path to axes is about the dumbest thing u can do as a BM. Yea axes are nice but you will wish u started goin another path down the road when u see other BMs saving some guys **** with the other skills. BMs are known for the flexibility in battle. They are also the squads lifesaver with the stuns. Besides Fist endgame BMs have the most insane dps and makes pvp sooooo much fun.Your should watch endgame multipath BM videos and you will see what I mean.

HeavensWing - Sanctuary wrote: »

*sigh* Again, IM NOT FISTS.
Im a ****ing Axe Bm like said in the first post <.>

Fists/Claws at endgame are amazing. They're the only thing that's truly broken with BMs.

Not using them is severly gimping your character.

pointless thread

The only thing that you've been doing is summing up some stats on skills. You're basically not even asking a question. Before you start asking questions figure out what you want, what you like to do the most with your BM and how you like to do it. When you know all of that for sure, then ask other people for their experience going Demon/Sage that suits your own gameplay.
As how i see it is, is that you'll adopt some one elses prefered gameplay which you'll end up hating.

So, what and how is your gameplay with your BM?

MALIGNO - Harshlands wrote: »

For all y'all who think sage BMs are not pro PVPer go to Harshland and inquire about me and EmoWDF ; both sage BMs. I think by now you are +90 and i don't know if you went sage or demon, but both path have their own advantages and disadvantages. What you may lack of not going sage or demon BM, you can always supplement with genie skill or pots. being good in PVP takes experience; knowing what lvl character you can own, knowing when to use the right marrow or not to use it at all; knowing what the right pots to carry; the right genie skills to have; having the right skills etc etc etc... Last thing, only way you can use that 3spark demon against a player is if you have 2 more people ganking your opponent. Rather than that, go ahead and demon spark and let see if your opponent is dumb enough to stick around for you to hit him.

THIS ^^b:bye

lol, was in stars guil;d back when he was a 29 BM, and did his FB on me veno. still think he has a little growing to do before he can talk with the bigboys on sanc's Bm line :P.

to be honest, the mastery damage is so insignificant over the other build its not even funny. demons get a 75% boost, itll tell you this after you get the skill. (just an example on these phys damage 90 vs 75% boosts, since the attack formula is the same for archers as it is for your str on BMs)

sage archer at 100 has 400 (90%) dex and sage mastery, demon archer has 400 (75%) as well, and demon mastery. they both have the same gear on, so we'll leave that out of the equation.
formula goes:
(1 + [dex or str] / 150 + [mastery]) + (LVL +equipment), since they have same gear this last part is omitted

(1 + 400 / 150 + .9) / (1 + 400 / 150 +.75) = 1.0339622641509433962264150943396 or roughly about
1.034, which translated into a % is only a 3.4% damage boost

now that crit on the other hand will add into the likely hood of you smacking peoples heads in with zerkcrits.

since youre axe and pole, lets look at your two spark moves. the spear one has a 50% chance for you to have ALL your hits crit for 5 seconds, if you are fast on weapon switching, imagine the potential this has.who cares about a chance to only consume one spark, thats stupid.
then there is heaven's flame, 9 second extended duration of curse vs 2000 fire damage added to it. 9 seconds of curse opens up you and/or your party's damage potential by a ton, a little fire dot does not.

then lets move to axe aoes.
fissure: 30% fire reduction (sage) vs 65% slower running speed (demon)
WTF YOURE NOT A WIZARD, slowered enemies on the other hand may be useful in some situations.

highland cleave:25% chance for 20% crit (sage) vs 20% chance to have a 25% attack speed boost. (demon). these are both equally nasty in my eyes, but one skill shouldnt be what deters you from your demon goal. besides, more atk speed = faster chi = faster HF, voila.

drake bash [not aoe but still axe move]: chance to only use 1 spark vs 7.5s stun (demon)
if you considered the 1 spark if fr one second at all... slap yourself.

then there are sparks, id honestly take 25% attack speed over 25% dmg reduction, you'd already have a ton of defense as is. the reduction last i heard, doesnt stack with bb, and the red effect is just coolio.

so theres my stupid insight, enjoy dude.