Sage/demon essential sutra

Xegeth - Dreamweaver
Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Wizard
Hello fellow wiz :)

I just had a stupid idea.. If there was a sage/demon version for Essential sutra, what would it be? What would you want it to be?

My ideas so far:

Demon: Duration increased to 8 sec.
Sage: Immune to stuns while casting. (Or maybe only a chance to resist)

Demon: Increased Magic Attack while casting
Sage: Chance to save spark while casting

Demon: Purify when cast.
Sage: 33% Damage reduction while casting.

What are your ideas? Be creative. b:chuckle
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    nice.

    I would say.

    demon: no casting time
    sage: +100% basic magic damage.

    demon: 8s time (this is yours)
    sage: invisible for 6s.
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  • anwynd
    anwynd Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    demon: no casting time
    sage: +100% basic magic damage.

    demon: 8s time (this is yours)
    sage: invisible for 6s.

    one these is wut i think it should be
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  • Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    wtf invisible for 6 seconds? do we look like sins to you?

    pw devs are lazy so they'd probably go with the same trend and keep the same sage mods and give demon spark skills have **** mods like the rest of them so the most likely mods would be like:

    demon: 50% chance to increase evasion by 200%.
    or like 25% chance to heal 500 hp.

    sage: 50% chance to only use one spark.
  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'd like to see both having an 8 second time.

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  • Astoru - Heavens Tear
    Astoru - Heavens Tear Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Shevanel - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'd like to see both having an 8 second time.

    Demon: Decrease cast time by 50%
    Sage: Increase matk by 100%
    Decrease cast time? Sutra already decreases cast time by 100% :|

    Demon: Increase critical hit % by 2-3
    Sage: Increase matk by 100%

    That seems about right.
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  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Decrease cast time? Sutra already decreases cast time by 100% :|

    Demon: Increase critical hit % by 2-3
    Sage: Increase matk by 100%

    That seems about right.

    Channeling and cast times are two different things.
    Extended to 8 seconds for just having sage/demon is enough imo b:dirty
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  • Karmay - Sanctuary
    Karmay - Sanctuary Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    nice.

    I would say.

    demon: no casting time
    sage: +100% basic magic damage.

    demon: 8s time (this is yours)
    sage: invisible for 6s.

    No casting time during sutra would be [demonicly?] overpowered as you could start with a FoW and have almost the full 5 seconds to instant cast the rest of your skillbar. If the target wasn't invincible at the time, it would be guaranteed to be dead by the end of it.
  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    nice.

    I would say.

    demon: no casting time
    sage: +100% basic magic damage.

    its not compareable. i do 10+ skill in 6sec if no casting and no chanting and atm exist only mdef eq dmg buff b:surrender
  • Ishmah - Sanctuary
    Ishmah - Sanctuary Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    wtf invisible for 6 seconds? do we look like sins to you?

    Hard to say if you were invisible b:mischievous
  • Softie - Harshlands
    Softie - Harshlands Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    sage: turns into a passive skill and we nver have any channeling >:D jus for a week but dnt tell classes so they all QQ we r overpowered for once
  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Bear in mind is this were to happen all the other classes would want one,

    Sage/Demon Invoke
    Sage/Demon Bramble Hood
    Sage/Demon Blue Bubble
    Sage/Demon Wings of Grace
    Sage/Demon Bodhi's sprint
    etc
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Bear in mind is this were to happen all the other classes would want one,

    Sage/Demon Invoke
    Sage/Demon Bramble Hood
    Sage/Demon Blue Bubble
    Sage/Demon Wings of Grace
    Sage/Demon Bodhi's sprint
    etc

    I can imagine sage invoke damage reduction extended time, overpowered rofl
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  • Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Hahha.

    Anyway, if demons had no casting with sutra, i would have totally gone demon. . .

    blah
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Guys is just fun.
    And sura HAS channeling time. In some spells is pretty obvious. So without casting time it still would there small channeling time. Try ultimate with sutra and you'll see channelling time.

    Also it would be nice for money of course if dev. give us option to switch immediately between demon or sage. Once per month max. All learned sage spells would became demon and all demon would became sage.b:chuckle
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Hahha.

    Anyway, if demons had no casting with sutra, i would have totally gone demon. . .

    blah

    if it was between no cast or 100% mag atk...i would go sage.


    100% mag atk= your matk in C screen x2b:dirty
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  • Ty - Heavens Tear
    Ty - Heavens Tear Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    if it was between no cast or 100% mag atk...i would go sage.


    100% mag atk= your matk in C screen x2b:dirty

    Purely hypothetical as it is, if the Devs made it work in any way like Sage Wellspring(which they more than likely would) then it would be suckful.
    I'd be happy if they changed the way it worked so that you get your 6 secs after your first skill use rather than the laggy way it's implemented now.
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  • Maestro - Raging Tide
    Maestro - Raging Tide Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Demon: Turn into a pheonix that is unclickable/Tabable/Squad Menuable and add 50% fire damage to each spell

    Sage: Turn into an unclickable dove that is unclickable/Tabable/Squad Menuable and add 50% water damage to each spell

    PWI devs gotta get some more interesting bonuses like that b:laugh
  • Isjitar - Sanctuary
    Isjitar - Sanctuary Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    let me guess, you are demon?

    Even though your demon/sage advantages arent really fair, you do have some good ideas.

    On your first option i'd say, switch the demon/sage effects. Anti stun suits demon better.

    sage: 100% more damage those 6 seconds
    demon: immune to stun/sleep/freeze/seal during those 6 seconds

    or

    sage: no casting time either
    demon: lasts 8 seconds instead of 6
    (this one can be switched)
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Isjitar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    let me guess, you are demon?

    Even though your demon/sage advantages arent really fair, you do have some good ideas.

    On your first option i'd say, switch the demon/sage effects. Anti stun suits demon better.

    sage: 100% more damage those 6 seconds
    demon: immune to stun/sleep/freeze/seal during those 6 seconds

    or

    sage: no casting time either
    demon: lasts 8 seconds instead of 6
    (this one can be switched)

    Xegeth is sage o.o
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    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
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    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    huh, at least the animations for 0 cast wizards aren't buggy. Ever seen 5.0 fist BM's, like an epileptic fit :3
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  • Inabikari - Raging Tide
    Inabikari - Raging Tide Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary wrote: »
    huh, at least the animations for 0 cast wizards aren't buggy. Ever seen 5.0 fist BM's, like an epileptic fit :3

    ^^ This... I've seen it happen XD
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  • Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary wrote: »
    huh, at least the animations for 0 cast wizards aren't buggy. Ever seen 5.0 fist BM's, like an epileptic fit :3

    Uhh yeah they are. Sometimes you don't even move. Stuff just flies out of you. That's what happens when you cast fast enough you can see the animations for MS, hailstorm, and stone rain at the same time. . .
  • Astoru - Heavens Tear
    Astoru - Heavens Tear Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary wrote: »
    huh, at least the animations for 0 cast wizards aren't buggy. Ever seen 5.0 fist BM's, like an epileptic fit :3
    It's even funnier with female fist archers that hit 5.0 It's like a total standing up seizure.
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