Heavy Refined CV or Nirvana?

Shotziee - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Is it because its hard to obtain crystals for recast that i dont see many nirvana users?

Yes this is it. Nirvana easily is better to +10 than cv but actually getting the weapon is extremely hard.

Each nirvana run takes ~45 mins and I'd say the average rate of rapture crystals is 0-1 per party. So if you can find a party that runs multiple times a day and gives you all the rapture crystals it will still take a long **** time. Now consider the factors: finding 5 other level 100+ to run several times a day is pretty hard due to different schedules, what is even harder is getting the party to give you the 0-1 rapture crystals each time.

Rapture crystals seem to sell for 2.5-3mil on lost city.

Depending on how ambitious you are I would probably still refine my cv bow to +10 and by the time I got nirvana grade 15 I'd easily have the money to refine to +10 again.

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

Uncanny (armor) crystals are usually 4-5 per run, rapture (weapon) crystals are usually 0-1.

Note: the numbers presented in the above quote total a range of 4-6, making it an average of 0-1 per person per run, just as was said.

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

He's specifically talking about rapture crystals. Note the whole theme of this thread.

Most likely sources of the 0-1 number?

1. 0-1 per run
2. 0-1 crystals per person
3. 0-1 Raptures per person

Out of those, 1. and 2. are valid, whereas 3. seems to be incorrect.

Now, you tell me, is it more likely that the people asked were talking about the total number of crystals with no regards to whether they were Uncanny or Rapture, or that they were pulling the 0-1 Raptures per person out of thin air?

Ever heard of a children's game called Broken Telephone? The more indirect the communication, the more likely it is to contain false information.

Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »

Most likely sources of the 0-1 number?

1. 0-1 per run
2. 0-1 crystals per person
3. 0-1 Raptures per person

Out of those, 1. and 2. are valid, whereas 3. seems to be incorrect.

Now, you tell me, is it more likely that the people asked were talking about the total number of crystals with no regards to whether they were Uncanny or Rapture, or that they were pulling the 0-1 Raptures per person out of thin air?

Ever heard of a children's game called Broken Telephone? The more indirect the communication, the more likely it is to contain false information.

I said 4-5 uncanny crystals per run, 0-1 rapture crystals. It's implied that I was also using the second range in the same context.

@shotziee you need 250 rapture crystals to make a grade 15 nirvana weapon. that's more than 250 runs even if everyone in the party gives you the rapture crystal every time.

Shotziee - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As PWI grew more n more predictable Ive got the dragon orb sale exactly right... I knew it was comin and so I stocked up on gold

Now I want to ask the likes of archers expert for opinion on this. I have a CV bow and its great... Now Im new to nirvana so i dont know what it could do. I am indecisive whether I should refine my cv bow a lot (+10) maybe or wait for the nirvana recast to refine that instead as it would be G15 and would pack more punch per refine...

I dont know how easy it is to do recasting in nirvana so plz help me out those who knows the ins and outs and could answer my question...

Ive seen many high lvl players still using a highly refined cv instead of nirvana weapons so does it mean that a heavily refined cv > nirvana recast? Is it because its hard to obtain crystals for recast that i dont see many nirvana users?

Depends if you can afford to buy Rapture Chrystals or not? If you have like 750 mil ingame coins to buy rapture chrystals to craft Nirvana you should not +10 your cv bow lol.

If you're planning on farming it id say go +10 your cv bow first.

Realistically if you actually gonna try to farm all 250 of them, you need 5 more 100+ people that's online same time as you and wanna spend 3-4 hours running Nirvana each day. These people will also have to agree on giving you the 0-1 rapture crystal that drops each run. Which might be rather tricky since everyone wants a g15 weapon - unless you have the bestest friends in the hole while world that just wanna give you anything. Than it could be done in a couple of months.

Otherwise, like if you're gonna go farm it with random 100+ and split all drops equally it will most likely take a year to get the weapon.

Only person i know with Nirvana weapon got ALL rapture crystals that dropped during guild runs for over 3 months, he also bought and borrowed over 100 of them using his credit card lol, since guild runs for over 3 months only got half of the mats needed for 1 weapon. Few people i heard on other servers with Nirvana bought pretty much all chrystals and got from packs. So yeah go +10 the cv bow, at least that will make farming Nirvana go way faster ^^

Rapture crystals only drop from the last boss. You usually don't get any, if you're lucky one... if you're really lucky you can get two. Out of the 50+ runs I've done so far, I've only seen 2 Raptures drop maybe twice.

BTW, speed record for completing Nirvana with 3 fist BMs = 19 minutes.

Munsu - Lost City wrote: »

HellAngel_ in koi has nirvana bow plus 12 with the addons soul shatter, plus 2 defence lvls, and 18 str.

Nirvana Bow, as he's commonly referred to, bought his. He's still fail with it. Too bad someone worthy of having it didn't actually get it. *shrug*

milsa wrote: »

I've looked around a lot, searched several databases but still didn't find it. What is a CV?

CV stands for Crescent Valley, which is Lunar Glade in this version of the game.

The 95 Lunar bow, "Heaven Shatterer" is often called "CV (debuff) bow".

Oneshotu - Lost City wrote: »

ESSENCE DOES NIRVANA RUNS IN 19 MINUTES ijs

Cool, any guild can make a party of 5 attack speed fist warriors and do it in under 20 mins. 45 mins is a much better number as this version is pretty new and not every person has a fist wr alt.

KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

obviously g15 > g13...

Even if you get **** stats in nirvana bow.. it will refine way more.

People usually refine high cv bow, cause if you farm nirvana.. it would take 250 runs.. luckily getting 250 raptures each run.. since it drops 1 or 2 per run. Or it would cost ya around 250m-350m to buy 250 raptures.

When you get the 250 raptures.. you will have to recast, which takes 2-4 raptures.. (dont remember) which consist in changing effects.. b:chuckle You could get Adv. Debuff instead of regular.. which happens more often(effect).

Takes 7 to recast.