how to lvl through the 80s as non-cashshopping casual

Why don't I grind on mobs 12 above me? Because the game won't let me take that justice quest and the xp difference for that quest is enough to make it worth it.

I can happily grind out level 90 mobs. Frost isn't a problem.

Yes, I get a smaller share of the XP, because the higher levels take more. Again, my problem not theirs. It's still more *FUN* than what I'm currently doing. I wouldn't really care if I never dinged again. (In fact, I kinda wish I stayed 79) - but because I'm in this 80-but-not-85 limbo, there's nothing interesting for me to DO.

FoxyCleo - Raging Tide wrote: »

Guess what, everyone has to go through this. The 85+s that wont let you join experienced this before you, and thousands of chars will face this while you're above 85.

So... why don't they stop?
I have run a successful frost (a couple of levels ago, no less). I know I can. So when and if I get to run it regularly, I know I'll not be turning people down just because they're not 85.

Same with TT - I regularly take 5x people in to show them around. Why not?

You have a good point, the most simple explanation is ppl base a players ability on their lvl. Which is very wrong of course.
You could try to form a squad yourself, that way you can't be declined

i can easily say lvl =/= equal skill other wise explain how at lvl 79 i tanked a lvl 96+ bm for near 10 minutes we were both charmed. and how i killed someother 9x bm at lvl 80. im not saying im awesome or that im better,(i honestly think it was a fluke killing the one bm), some players think cause of their lvl they are better. and i would love to do gammas or frost.

i enjoy eating beans.
beans on tacos.... hmmm tastey!

Reasons why people prefer to squad with lvl 85+ for FCC

eowyn - Sanctuary wrote: »

Its not like the frost weapons make the difference. The thins is, players need to be in the same lvl range to maximize exp. And since most ppl are over lvl 85 who do it, you should be as well.

So why wait till 85? Well, why do you not grind on mobs 10-20 lvl higher than you? Is it your attack power? Your defence? Perhaps, but more importantly, the lvl difference with the mobs. That wont allow you to do much dmg and receive much more. So higher lvl means easier run, and lvl 85 is around that point where is gets doable nicely. Ofcourse 1 player in a squad that is 84 or 83 wont make much of a difference.

Well Said eowyn b:victory

You get more experience per time spent in Gamma than you do in FCC under level 85, which may be another reason why lvl 85 is the stereotypical level for FCC. Aside from the other fact that you don't get that repeatable reward quest(s) or be able to use that npc teleporter in FCC until level 85 (instead you will have to spend a few minutes running around - in a few cases I've seen people getting lost in the instance and wasting everyone's time).

Just a few days ago, I did a run with two friends new to FCC, lvl 80 wizard, lvl 81 bm; also a level 85 veno with herc, and the rest of the squad lvl 90+. The run went smoothly, and not many deaths for those who were new to it lol. I had realized the experience gained per kills were indeed alot less (so yes - what eowyn said about being in the same lvl range to maximize exp is true). It also took us over 4 hours to get through the entire run. Will I do this thing again? Maybe not with more than 3 people under level 90.
I do FCC on a regular basis with people within my level range 90+ and we complete all the runs on average of about 70 minutes. It's all about what the squad's goal is. Is it to explore the city for the first time, or to get as much exp and as quickly as possible? Of course, the exp per time spent is the most common reason why people do FCC.

if you are really persistant than squads should let you in, ive gotten 4 fcc squads already. if you really really want a fcc squad... make one.