What's wrong with sutra?

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Wizard
Sutra doesn't work properly on some spells. For example sutra with divine pyro has quite big channeling time. Also with blade tempest. It has even bigger channeling time.
This wasn't in past.b:angryb:angry
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  • MarcA - Harshlands
    MarcA - Harshlands Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    hmmmm i noticed the same with BIDS in sutra today o.o
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  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    There's a tiny delay between Sutra being activated and it actually taking effect. I've found that if I click too quickly, my first cast after the Sutra will be not have the near-instant channeling, though the following ones will. Also, Sutra isn't really "instant" channeling. It's merely extremely fast channeling. This is most noticeable if you sutra a town portal, or sutra while under the effects of a channeling speed debuff; you'll have around half a second channeling still.

    Try slowing your timing by a tiny bit and see if that helps. In other words, give it a split second after activating sutra before casting and see what happens. I haven't noticed any major change in my sutra DP. My wizard doesn't have 3rd spark yet though so I can't really try sutra ultis.
  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sutra doesn't work properly on some spells. For example sutra with divine pyro has quite big channeling time. Also with blade tempest. It has even bigger channeling time.
    This wasn't in past.b:angryb:angry

    baah, did they update sutra? or u are just lagged?
    hope is ur lag lol
    but i must say when i do FOW in sutra agains Dpyro in sutra Dpyro always show slowest channel than FoW even in sutra

    Edit: @Brigid i think they are talking about sometihnk worse than just that.
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  • Piliener - Lost City
    Piliener - Lost City Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sutra removes all channeling for 6 seconds. It's cast time that's still there. The other point from Brigid is correct though it takes a moment to activate.
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  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Piliener - Lost City wrote: »
    Sutra removes all channeling for 6 seconds. It's cast time that's still there. The other point from Brigid is correct though it takes a moment to activate.

    1st of all, sutra does not remove the channel time, If u tell me that makes it faster is ok but it doesnt take it to 0 chan
    2nd i think mummy knows that ROLF, shes talking about something else i bet
    3rd what Brigid told, every wiz lv6x+ knows.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    1st of all, sutra does not remove the channel time, If u tell me that makes it faster is ok but it doesnt take it to 0 chan
    2nd i think mummy knows that ROLF, shes talking about something else i bet
    3rd what Brigid told, every wiz lv6x+ knows.

    this made me laugh...not at piliener, but firewizard
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  • Chillum - Dreamweaver
    Chillum - Dreamweaver Posts: 887 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I find it annoying that Sutra doesn't overwrite the channelling debuff.

    Using Sutra when you are under the channelling debuff does make you cast quicker but not instantaneous as you would in normal circumstances.

    Regards.
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Chillum - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I find it annoying that Sutra doesn't overwrite the channelling debuff.

    Using Sutra when you are under the channelling debuff does make you cast quicker but not instantaneous as you would in normal circumstances.

    Regards.

    Yep. You can see that sutra doesn't remove channeling time to 0.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    1st of all, sutra does not remove the channel time, If u tell me that makes it faster is ok but it doesnt take it to 0 chan
    2nd i think mummy knows that ROLF, shes talking about something else i bet
    3rd what Brigid told, every wiz lv6x+ knows.

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  • BrownflameZ - Lost City
    BrownflameZ - Lost City Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yep. You can see that sutra doesn't remove channeling time to 0.

    It does remove channeling time to 0, it just doesnt over write a -chan debuff from a mob.

    Say a mob does a +20 chan debuff on you... that -100% chan with sutra is now a -80% chan becuase the debuff is still intact, therefore channeling is a bit slower in that situation.

    On common circumstances, sutra does remove all channeling, any lag is caused by server ping. The channeling bar filling up notion is just an animation thats there, usually casting animation takes place while that bar fills up for a so called half a second; doesnt mean sutra is defective.

    I'm sure if there was a error in discription or on how it works it would have been fixed by now, on this server or any other for that matter.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    b:sad
    psychic's slow channeling debuff slows down sutra.
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  • BambooHugger - Lost City
    BambooHugger - Lost City Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    sutra reduces all chanting time to instant, but there still IS the non-reducible static chanting time.
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  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    BrownflameZ - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm sure if there was a error in discription or on how it works it would have been fixed by now, on this server or any other for that matter.
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    You have far too much faith in the system and in the devs. Surely you've learned better by now?
  • BrownflameZ - Lost City
    BrownflameZ - Lost City Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »
    Collection of all skill description errors b:surrender

    You have far too much faith in the system and in the devs. Surely you've learned better by now?

    Was referring to sutra specifically, but yeah I agree, the devs fail epicly.
    BambooHugger - Lost City wrote: »
    sutra reduces all chanting time to instant, but there still IS the non-reducible static chanting time.

    Instant = -0 Chan?

    The so called non-reducible static chan time, is the annimation of the bar filling up during cast, imo.
    I don't think there is a way to confirm anything without a confirmation from an official, till then all this is just speculation.

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  • Amy_Nailo - Lost City
    Amy_Nailo - Lost City Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    BrownflameZ - Lost City wrote: »
    It does remove channeling time to 0, it just doesnt over write a -chan debuff from a mob.

    Say a mob does a +20 chan debuff on you... that -100% chan with sutra is now a -80% chan becuase the debuff is still intact, therefore channeling is a bit slower in that situation.

    On common circumstances, sutra does remove all channeling, any lag is caused by server ping. The channeling bar filling up notion is just an animation thats there, usually casting animation takes place while that bar fills up for a so called half a second; doesnt mean sutra is defective.

    I'm sure if there was a error in discription or on how it works it would have been fixed by now, on this server or any other for that matter.
    This is untrue. I don't know the exact specific but I tested it. Sutrad Mountain seize is noticable slower than sutrad gush. It's still very very fast but you can see the difference. It does NOT REMOVE the channeling, just accelerate it greatly.

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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Amy_Nailo - Lost City wrote: »
    This is untrue. I don't know the exact specific but I tested it. Sutrad Mountain seize is noticable slower than sutrad gush. It's still very very fast but you can see the difference. It does NOT REMOVE the channeling, just accelerate it greatly.

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  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    i guess Ill try this tonight.. anyone have a good free screen recorder?
    XFire has a video capture feature, no clue how it works though.

    Also, test it using Town Portal as well. Can't think of anything with a longer channeling time than that.
  • Amy_Nailo - Lost City
    Amy_Nailo - Lost City Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Also I forgot to mention that proof that Sutra doesn't REMOVE channeling is that you can still get interrupted while the channeling bar is filling up.

    Unless you can get interrupted while CASTING the spell but I always thought you couldn't.

    - Amy
  • KevinK - Sanctuary
    KevinK - Sanctuary Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »
    There's a tiny delay between Sutra being activated and it actually taking effect. I've found that if I click too quickly, my first cast after the Sutra will be not have the near-instant channeling, though the following ones will. Also, Sutra isn't really "instant" channeling. It's merely extremely fast channeling. This is most noticeable if you sutra a town portal, or sutra while under the effects of a channeling speed debuff; you'll have around half a second channeling still.

    Try slowing your timing by a tiny bit and see if that helps. In other words, give it a split second after activating sutra before casting and see what happens. I haven't noticed any major change in my sutra DP. My wizard doesn't have 3rd spark yet though so I can't really try sutra ultis.
    OMG I NEVER THOUGHT OF SUTRA TOWN PORTAL. *goes to pw and tries it out*
  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    KevinK - Sanctuary wrote: »
    OMG I NEVER THOUGHT OF SUTRA TOWN PORTAL. *goes to pw and tries it out*

    o_O I use it run from people I'm scared of....b:surrender

    And it's always good for a laugh in a duel. Great when your opponent whispers you "Omgwtf where did you go man? o.o" XD
    Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »
    XFire has a video capture feature, no clue how it works though.

    Also, test it using Town Portal as well. Can't think of anything with a longer channeling time than that.

    No sutra does not remove all channeling time, sutra town portal still takes about a second.

    You have to remember that your character is making specific movements while you're channeling/casting.

    I.E. While channeling BIDS you're swirling around.

    I'd imagine you can't have zero channel because you'd actually have to skip animations to do so.
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  • /Krue - Heavens Tear35
    /Krue - Heavens Tear35 Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    o_O I use it run from people I'm scared of....b:surrender

    And it's always good for a laugh in a duel. Great when your opponent whispers you "Omgwtf where did you go man? o.o" XD



    No sutra does not remove all channeling time, sutra town portal still takes about a second.

    You have to remember that your character is making specific movements while you're channeling/casting.

    I.E. While channeling BIDS you're swirling around.

    I'd imagine you can't have zero channel because you'd actually have to skip animations to do so.

    No, the animation for skills is displayed in the amount of cast time that skill has.

    So when bids is not sutra'd, you would spin around and drop the dragon for your 4 second channeling and your 1.4 second casting.

    When you DO USE SUTRA with BIDS, you only spin around and drop your dragon for your 1.4 seconds. So the animation is only 1.4 seconds.

    Sutra removes all channeling time, but your cast time still remains!

    (Also, the explanation for why town teleport doesn't INSTA cast when being sutra'd is because it secretly has a cast time. It just isn't displayed. Every skill has a cast time. EVERY skill.)

    So what i think is, Cast time = animation time.
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    /Krue - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    No, the animation for skills is displayed in the amount of cast time that skill has.

    So when bids is not sutra'd, you would spin around and drop the dragon for your 4 second channeling and your 1.4 second casting.

    When you DO USE SUTRA with BIDS, you only spin around and drop your dragon for your 1.4 seconds. So the animation is only 1.4 seconds.

    Sutra removes all channeling time, but your cast time still remains!

    (Also, the explanation for why town teleport doesn't INSTA cast when being sutra'd is because it secretly has a cast time. It just isn't displayed. Every skill has a cast time. EVERY skill.)

    So what i think is, Cast time = animation time.

    Not true. Sutra don't remove all channeling time. It just very speed it up.
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  • Zaelmith - Sanctuary
    Zaelmith - Sanctuary Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The only way to settle whether sutra reduces channeling to 0 or not is if someone confirms if the spells can only be interrupted while you channel them (not cast them). If they can't be interrupted while casting then obviously it doesn't reduce channeling to 0 cause we all know the spells can be interrupted while in sutra. If they can then we're back where we started...
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Zaelmith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The only way to settle whether sutra reduces channeling to 0 or not is if someone confirms if the spells can only be interrupted while you channel them (not cast them). If they can't be interrupted while casting then obviously it doesn't reduce channeling to 0 cause we all know the spells can be interrupted while in sutra. If they can then we're back where we started...

    I can confirm this. I was interrupted in sutra combo.
    Also If you will killing soul hunter world boss. He has debuff slower channeling time. With sustra you can see clearly channeling time. When you use sutra at this debuff you will still see huge channeling time. It's faster but not immediately.
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  • FoxyGurlly - Lost City
    FoxyGurlly - Lost City Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    BrownflameZ - Lost City wrote: »
    It does remove channeling time to 0, it just doesnt over write a -chan debuff from a mob.

    Say a mob does a +20 chan debuff on you... that -100% chan with sutra is now a -80% chan becuase the debuff is still intact, therefore channeling is a bit slower in that situation.

    On common circumstances, sutra does remove all channeling, any lag is caused by server ping. The channeling bar filling up notion is just an animation thats there, usually casting animation takes place while that bar fills up for a so called half a second; doesnt mean sutra is defective.

    I'm sure if there was a error in discription or on how it works it would have been fixed by now, on this server or any other for that matter.
    ijs -.- why do you keep bringing it up if its been smashed to pieces?

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