Is this ok for PVE?

eirireireuier
eirireireuier Posts: 13 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Venomancer
im goin to start a veno alt and i want to kill fast so im thinking bout goin pure arcane, i might pvp some but mostly just wanna pve to make coin for my wizzy, my question is, is the pure arcane build still ok now days or is vit arcane better, keep in mind this is PVE mainly. thanks
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  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    TBH I would go with vit arcane.

    Now most people would say pure, but here is my reasoning. Vit (if you're heavy vit, light vit not so much the case, and not so much the case at higher levels either, but at $$ levels, very true). If you dump all unused points into vit, your veno will be much more survivable in general and will pull agro less. This reduces your repair cost to weapon, and with nature's grace/soul transfuse/metabolic boost combo, you'll still be able to restore MP pretty much endlessly, so it's not as essential to have a huge mana pool for grinding.

    Pure ofc also works well, but that is just my thought.
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  • eirireireuier
    eirireireuier Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    what about heals in case i felt like doing a dungeon?
  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Honestly it's not a huge issue :x I have 100 vit base, and I can do most things just fine, sometimes just having to spam heal where someone else would not.

    If you're planning to level up as far as 70+, AOE survival vs heal power becomes a bit more of an issue, but I assumed a money making veno wouldn't be leveling that high and just grinding the good craft mats at 2x-3x :x
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  • eirireireuier
    eirireireuier Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    well yeah im gonna mostly focus on the 2 an 3x grinding but might tske it higher in time, i can se bein the vit build for that though so makes sense
  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    If you're focusing on 2x-3x grinding, unless you're dumping a massive amount of RL $$ or your wizzie's coin into a herc, you're not going to be tanking instances, so you need to worry even less about your heal. :)
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  • eirireireuier
    eirireireuier Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    lol no not worrying bout herc jus need money for my wiz and dont cash shop, plus i dont mind veno grinding as much as grinding on my wiz
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Full vit might be gimping yourself too much. I would recommend 7 mag 2 vit 1 str. This should afford you reasonable protection and is unlikely to create aggro issues. I myself use 8 mag 1 vit 1str (not anymore really since slightly lower armor requirements at my range have allowed to pump a few extra points in vit).

    Using the 8 mag build has always allowed me to kill regular mobs my level with 3 spells. I have no aggro issues. This is just clicking 1 button to kill and another 1 to pick up loot per each mob as a general rule. I usually handle mobs having a special status (sac assault, phys attack increase, etc.) using pet skills alone with the obvious exception of increased life which will take me much longer to kill even if using Howl and may require me to heal pet even if using Tough.

    The best advice i can give for aggro management is keeping your pet's main attack skill leveled. The 200k coins every 20 levels is far from a steep price and does pay for itself.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    A little bit of vit gives you a safety margin.

    Too much vit does reduce your attacks and heals quite noticeably.

    The difference is minor later on in the game - but at low levels makes a fair chunk of difference. Personally I went, roughly, 8/1/1
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    eirireireuier wrote: »
    im goin to start a veno alt and i want to kill fast so im thinking bout goin pure arcane, i might pvp some but mostly just wanna pve to make coin for my wizzy, my question is, is the pure arcane build still ok now days or is vit arcane better, keep in mind this is PVE mainly. thanks

    Vit arcane sucks for pve, but instead of telling you to go one way or the other: why not try pure mag. If you feel you need more survivability, it's easy to start adding vit to. On the other hand, if you **** up and put stat points in vit: you need a reset scroll or more to recover them.

    Swap equips can enable fast killing when wanted, and survivability when needed.
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    Vit arcane sucks for pve
    if it wasnt for my double hp from gear and vit i would have died for sure soloing fb's 89+ and some aoe bosses. i have no problem soloing bosses that pure mag can solo plus i think pure mag have more problems with feng or drum than vit arcane or heavy. for solo gring single target mobs, no build is better or worse since all mobs die fast and every build has plenty of hp/mp with their combos. pure mag does more damage on mobs but its not such a visible difference and for solo bosses... you spend most of your time healing not dding
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Alphae - Lost City wrote: »
    TBH I would go with vit arcane.

    Now most people would say pure, but here is my reasoning. Vit (if you're heavy vit, light vit not so much the case, and not so much the case at higher levels either, but at $$ levels, very true). If you dump all unused points into vit, your veno will be much more survivable in general and will pull agro less. This reduces your repair cost to weapon, and with nature's grace/soul transfuse/metabolic boost combo, you'll still be able to restore MP pretty much endlessly, so it's not as essential to have a huge mana pool for grinding.

    Pure ofc also works well, but that is just my thought.
    wow you havent posted in forever...
    Vit arcane sucks for pve,
    no it doesnt, HA does :P
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    kenlee wrote: »
    pure mag does more damage on mobs but its not such a visible difference and for solo bosses... you spend most of your time healing not dding

    It quite often makes the difference between 2/3/4 hit kills which is 1/3 -1/4 of battle time. That is very significant. How often you need to transfuse / metabolic is affected as well. The more efficient grind time provides for better equips.
    if it wasnt for my double hp from gear and vit i would have died for sure soloing fb's 89+ and some aoe bosses.

    I was soloing fb89's no problem in my early 80s with the main problem being on those blood suckers in Brimstone because they recover HP so fast. I have yet to read of venos soloing fb99 but I have played around in them w/ no problems aside from bosses.
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    everything in abaddon except haunted headless and guarnob cloister guard are doable.
    headless is immune to physical and guarnob has a pdef debuff. luckily you dont need to kill either to move on.

    the final boss has an annoying mana burn but its nothing a charm cant heal through.

    seat of torment is self explanatory, rancid venerator i think has a melee aoe but is nothing serious. youll need to cancel infernal spikewing's fire debuff with a gnie to solo him. leave voidweaver alone, hes worthless and has a pdef debuff AOE which is obnoxious

    here are pics of me tanking some of the bosses in my early 90s

    http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/DScythe99/2009-07-1519-33-07.jpg
    http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/DScythe99/2009-07-1521-18-11.jpg

    theyre quite easy, though only peachblossom and hellfire drop the books for those who dont know.
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    It quite often makes the difference between 2/3/4 hit kills which is 1/3 -1/4 of battle time. That is very significant. How often you need to transfuse / metabolic is affected as well. The more efficient grind time provides for better equips.



    I was soloing fb89's no problem in my early 80s with the main problem being on those blood suckers in Brimstone because they recover HP so fast. I have yet to read of venos soloing fb99 but I have played around in them w/ no problems aside from bosses.
    i kill mobs in like 10-15 seconds, depends of type. really i havent seen any fox doing it faster or worse because mobs die fast. nothing like ~200 damage on top of mine or less than mine would do it much faster hence there is no visible results.
    i was doing it at 8x too. i like pulling 2-3 mobs at one time since its faster this waybut others runs after you or you have to take 1-2 hits till pet get agro. try sacrificial asault celestial sting in eden as pure mag or more than 2 horses in brim. fb99, only tried seat of torment and not all bosses can be tanked... and drops are worse than fb89 imo.
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    voidweaver was the only thing i couldnt tank, didnt try suicidal mass or that other miniboss when you start seeing the head monsters. the main bosses were easy
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