Perfect World International: Lost City Fight Club, Volume 1

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  • dekciw
    dekciw Posts: 954 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Not really surprised by the outcome tbh. Not trying to find an excuse for that party of kami but they were horribly outgeared overall, although I'm not sure how they didn't manage to kill someone.. probably bad communication.

    If you ever do such event for people with bad gear, let me know, I'll log in and participate.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    dekciw wrote: »
    Not really surprised by the outcome tbh. Not trying to find an excuse for that party of kami but they were horribly outgeared overall, although I'm not sure how they didn't manage to kill someone.. probably bad communication.

    If you ever do such event for people with bad gear, let me know, I'll log in and participate.

    I dunno, the Essence party had Susa, Kage, and LaTrappe with pretty awesome gear (Transcend has a +10 wep and rest of his gear is like +4.. so its pretty good but nothing the other side couldn't match) while the other side had Asiris and Llama which both have great gear, and the rest of their party was at the very least equal to the Essence party. I really don't think that Kami was all that outgeared, maybe the matchup was bad or luck was not on their side etc, but I never really thought the gear was the issue :P
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  • Munsu - Lost City
    Munsu - Lost City Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Lol @ Kami making excuses for being bad at pvp.
  • dekciw
    dekciw Posts: 954 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I dunno, the Essence party had Susa, Kage, and LaTrappe with pretty awesome gear (Transcend has a +10 wep and rest of his gear is like +4.. so its pretty good but nothing the other side couldn't match) while the other side had Asiris and Llama which both have great gear, and the rest of their party was at the very least equal to the Essence party. I really don't think that Kami was all that outgeared, maybe the matchup was bad or luck was not on their side etc, but I never really thought the gear was the issue :P


    It's pretty simple actually, simple pvp mechanics. Xalana was the first person targeted or so, her gear is far from being good and she went down fast as hell, so did pharaoh. Essence's party took them down in close to no time taking down some pressure on their own party. On the other hand, seems like Kami tried to take down Trappe first, as we all know, Trappe has some really beastly gear and HP and it seems like the DD Kami had didn't have enough fire power through essence mass disables (lots of stun, 3ea + 1wr) to take him down.

    There is a lot of explanations one could suggest :

    - Bad party match up
    - lack of communication by Kami
    - better players on essence (->lol)
    - Wrong target priorities
    - Gear

    I do think they lacked a bit of communication and that targeting Trappe first was a bad idea, I'd of went for the EAs first, and I'd kept Transcend disabled as usually when he gets stunned or disabled he usually taps genie/pot/wings and ball out. That's not a bad thing itself but it could of been used against him too. Once the EAs down, Essence would of had close to no firepower just HP wh0res.

    As for gear, I think only Asiris really stands out of Kami side, you could say LLama but his gear compares to transcend, really.
    Lol @ Kami making excuses for being bad at pvp.

    Another troll account posting flame baits, how original, I wonder to what faction belongs this little one. I'm going to reply to you though, simply to prevent more idiots from posting more predictable ****.

    I don't see any Kamisama making any excuses about losing here, I only see myself, warmachine, saying it was a bad match up and I'm now explaining my point. That kami party did make mistakes, I wouldn't consider them any worse than those essence players though. Pharaoh is single one of the best if not the best EP in the game at the moment, he just doesn't have the gear to be the beast Trappe is, simple as that. Transcend is also a very good EA and he was under geared for quite a while which always left him under non-factor status and people used to make fun of him on a daily basis. Basically, I think those events are fun and entertaining but it's nearly impossible to make the fights 100% even and fair.
    Kamis 6v6 line up was kinda weaker :o

    Kinda expected that they loose since the Essence line up consisted of many 13-27k hp-wh0res and +10 weapons and HH100.

    Kamis line up was more average geared players, besides Asiris, and they had no Bm.

    Quoted for truth and emphasis to support my point.
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  • Ethree - Lost City
    Ethree - Lost City Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    All this proves is what we have known for the longest essence > kami. Everybody knows it this just proves it imo.
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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    All this proves is what we have known for the longest essence > kami. Everybody knows it this just proves it imo.

    etroll u posting on wrong account bro b:angry
  • Transcend - Lost City
    Transcend - Lost City Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    dekciw wrote: »
    he was under geared for quite a while which always left him under non-factor status and people used to make fun of him on a daily basis.

    Aww people made fun of me b:sad

    But really, I guess it's just me, but I never saw a problem with +4's, because a) I didn't have the coin or felt compelled to CS and b) I was able to hold my own against those who were better geared than me. I enjoyed those 1v1/2/3's against the GRS and CQ when I was still in spectral. I try to be as efficient as possible with what I have, which, with a bit of luck, crazy things can happen :) Even today, the only reason I have refines is because of refine lands.

    The way I see it, if it weren't for all the times I PVP'ed as an underdog on paper, I doubt I would've been able to figure out how to kite efficiently and adapt against certain classes/players.

    It's not always bad to have "bad" gears, one learns quite a bit when facing adversity.

    [edit] In the end, this event was about enjoying a pickup game of 1/2/6v6, and even if we didn't win, it was still nice to have that organized environment[/edit]
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  • Munsu - Lost City
    Munsu - Lost City Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    dekciw wrote: »


    Another troll account posting flame baits, how original, I wonder to what faction belongs this little one. I'm going to reply to you though, simply to prevent more idiots from posting more predictable ****.

    I don't see any Kamisama making any excuses about losing here, I only see myself, warmachine, saying it was a bad match up and I'm now explaining my point. That kami party did make mistakes, I wouldn't consider them any worse than those essence players though. Pharaoh is single one of the best if not the best EP in the game at the moment, he just doesn't have the gear to be the beast Trappe is, simple as that. Transcend is also a very good EA and he was under geared for quite a while which always left him under non-factor status and people used to make fun of him on a daily basis. Basically, I think those events are fun and entertaining but it's nearly impossible to make the fights 100% even and fair.



    Quoted for truth and emphasis to support my point.


    While you are right about me posting flame baits. I do disagree with you saying Pharoah is the best EP in the game.


    What we see in this vid is pharoah straying from the rest of the group and single targeting transcend (Being a kami metal-mage, how original). A good EP would be providing support to the rest of the party. Putting up plume shell, anti stun and healing the person on their team being focused on. Pharoah blows.

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  • Xtacy - Lost City
    Xtacy - Lost City Posts: 1,281 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    While you are right about me posting flame baits. I do disagree with you saying Pharoah is the best EP in the game.


    What we see in this vid is pharoah straying from the rest of the group and single targeting transcend (Being a kami metal-mage, how original). A good EP would be providing support to the rest of the party. Putting up plume shell, anti stun and healing the person on their team being focused on. Pharoah blows.

    b:kiss

    Pharoah is a metal mage. When you call someone a metal mage you shouldn't put healing, support, or anything that has to do with keeping your party alive in the same sentence. (Unless of course you're telling someone that is something a metal mage doesn't do) However you may see it 1 opinion is definitely not alls and unfortunately for you, till you decide to reveal yourself your opinion on the matter does not matter. (run-on)

    I'm fairly certain that if you 1v1'd him you would lose. Because no cash shopper makes trolls to troll a forum (Unless you're Wadzio)


    warmachine, there's one match in that video that actually shows skill > cash shop. No offense Asiris, but with the gear you had you should have rolled Transcend. Not saying you're not skilled but sometimes the obvious is obvious b:surrender


    P.S. No matter how I wrote that Asiris, it would always look like an insult. But it truly isn't = /
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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Pharoah is a metal mage. When you call someone a metal mage you shouldn't put healing, support, or anything that has to do with keeping your party alive in the same sentence. (Unless of course you're telling someone that is something a metal mage doesn't do) However you may see it 1 opinion is definitely not alls and unfortunately for you, till you decide to reveal yourself your opinion on the matter does not matter. (run-on)

    I'm fairly certain that if you 1v1'd him you would lose. Because no cash shopper makes trolls to troll a forum (Unless you're Wadzio)


    warmachine, there's one match in that video that actually shows skill > cash shop. No offense Asiris, but with the gear you had you should have rolled Transcend. Not saying you're not skilled but sometimes the obvious is obvious b:surrender


    P.S. No matter how I wrote that Asiris, it would always look like an insult. But it truly isn't = /

    debuffed, 10 crits in a row (7 with quickshot) and a +10 cv isn't hard when you chain immunity, obviously asiris should have backed up or something but in that fight it was more luck > cash shopping
  • Demolitor - Lost City
    Demolitor - Lost City Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    debuffed, 10 crits in a row (7 with quickshot) and a +10 cv isn't hard when you chain immunity, obviously asiris should have backed up or something but in that fight it was more luck > cash shopping

    But but but, arent archers meant to crit?b:sad Was nicely played by Transcend and Asiris is not bad at all, so this wasnt about skill really. It was about 2 skilled players one more powerful than the other and the one that happpened to have theirs best classes attributes appear WON. Obviously Transcend with the gears she/he have would be totally owned if she/he wasnt skilled but the opposite happened in this case.
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    But but but, arent archers meant to crit?b:sad Was nicely played by Transcend and Asiris is not bad at all, so this wasnt about skill really. It was about 2 skilled players one more powerful than the other and the one that happpened to have theirs best classes attributes appear WON. Obviously Transcend with the gears she/he have would be totally owned if she/he wasnt skilled but the opposite happened in this case.

    10 crits in a row has a 1 in 1024 chance ^_^
  • Showharu - Lost City
    Showharu - Lost City Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Lol @ Kami making excuses for being bad at pvp.

    Ya we blowed at tourny last week.
    I don't care.
    Keeps me happy, everyone should do it.
  • BLADE_COOL - Heavens Tear
    BLADE_COOL - Heavens Tear Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ummmmmmmmmmmmm.... whats that???
    Im just staying cool.b:coolb:coolb:cool
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    Myself Blademaster lvl 63 (BLADE_COOL)
    Alt Archer lvl 30 (Archermanx)b:laugh
    all stay coolb:cool
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  • Haiz - Lost City
    Haiz - Lost City Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Nothing against Pharoah, but you have to agree with the others. Hes good at PvP and he can kill people yeah, but the best EP would be good at that and would know how to work in an even 6v6. The best EP isn't the EP who's awesome at support or awesome at metal maging. The best EP is the person who can metal mage when necessary, and then support when it is needed. A metal mage is better in a smaller PvP realm, with more people they become less useful. In a 6v6 I'd rather have a real mage over a metal mage and then you could have a real EP giving support in the back. With two or three people though? a metal mage can be great.

    Not to mention the 6v6 was supposed to be one of each class, where Essence kinda didn't do that. Having more archers is a bit of an advantage, but its not a big excuse.

    As for Asiris and Transcend, if Transcend could repeat those results two or three times then sure call him better. Archers in PvP are a lot about luck and how often they crit though. Like devoted said, the chance of that many crits are very low and him getting that lucky in a second duel are very slight.
  • Transcend - Lost City
    Transcend - Lost City Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    lol, tough crowd. It's either luck, gear, or baddies.

    Since "skill" is seemingly taboo on these forums, is is really that far-fetched to say my prior pvp experience, ability to react quickly to Asiris' moves, and knowing when to use certain skills in a certain order to maximize my damage potential while minimizing damage I take were *also* major factors in that win? The crits just landed (which is much akin to hitting a set of 10's against Asiris' pocket aces on the river , in poker terms), but everything I did wasn't "random" in the sense that I blindly pressed buttons hoping for the win.

    I like to think I played my cards as best I could in that situation, but maybe I'm just looking at things differently than others.
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  • DestroyTokyo - Lost City
    DestroyTokyo - Lost City Posts: 501 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Transcend out played Asiris /story.
    Both are good archers, Transcend just thought it out more.

    Asiris has good gear but he isn't a tank and in the video he clearly just tried to sit there and tank... bad idea.

    Transcend used the right moves he needed too to stay alive and wound up winning.

    I don't see what is so hard about this.

    and I will just be straight up honest, the best of each class in a 6v6 against kamis.. Essence is going to win.
    Granted idk every ones gear for certain since I quit a while ago but I doubt TOO much has changed I know from Essence it would imo right now

    Elayne
    Elektra
    Susa
    Transcend
    Trappe
    Zerhee


    Idk exactly who all Kami has left, but I'm relatively sure it isn't going to top that.
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  • BambooHugger - Lost City
    BambooHugger - Lost City Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    This next time please;

    Elayne (MG)
    Zerhee (WR)
    Susamajii (WB)
    Transcend (EA)
    Pippins/ElektraArya (WF)
    LaTrappe (EP)

    VS

    LLama (MG)
    Sezz (WR)
    Arravis (WB)
    Asiris (EA)
    Daikoku (WF)
    Pharaoh (EP)

    broeder dropped tag to rpk.
    dunno if he returned, but Sezz is alot better.
    he hits harder than athran, and...well...you know
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  • Munsu - Lost City
    Munsu - Lost City Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    If kami let broederjr back in guild after he dropped tag to rpk than lol @ Kami. Seems like they'll never live up to their CQ days than. It would be like letting Diety back in guild after he rpked on emo sundays.

    b:laugh


    And Xtacy it's called a Metal-"MAGE" for a reason. I'd rather have a REAL MAGE instead of a wannabe cleric mage trying to damage deal when they could be much better use healing people in group pvp.

    EDIT: Haiz said it much more clearly and much more nicely than me :D.
  • Haiz - Lost City
    Haiz - Lost City Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Who ever said Transcend wasn't skilled? You don't have skill for getting so many crits in a row, skill is the kiting and immune stuff. Your kill came from luck, you surviving came from skill. That is simply what most people are saying. If you didn't get all those crits in a row, which were by luck, asiris would have gotten his immune off and his charm would have most likely ticked and the duel would have went on. No one can predict that many crits in a row though and could not react fast enough to immune to it.

    Asiris didn't just sit there and try to tank everything, he was using immunes and was moving when he was low on HP.
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    lol, tough crowd. It's either luck, gear, or baddies.

    Since "skill" is seemingly taboo on these forums, is is really that far-fetched to say my prior pvp experience, ability to react quickly to Asiris' moves, and knowing when to use certain skills in a certain order to maximize my damage potential while minimizing damage I take were *also* major factors in that win? The crits just landed (which is much akin to hitting a set of 10's against Asiris' pocket aces on the river , in poker terms), but everything I did wasn't "random" in the sense that I blindly pressed buttons hoping for the win.

    I like to think I played my cards as best I could in that situation, but maybe I'm just looking at things differently than others.

    No one is saying you don't have skill bro. It's just quite obvious the major factor in you beating asiris in that 1v1 was the debuff in your like first 2 shots and then 10 crits in a row and 7 with a quickshot proc.

    10's cracking aces on the river isn't like getting 10 crits in a row... hitting a set on the river is 1 in 22, 10 crits with 50% is 1 in 1024. obviously you didn't mean it in that sense but I just wanted to clear that up ^^
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Luck is always going to be a factor... at some point while Transcend was holy pathing away a shot that would've killed him missed... doesn't matter. Getting lucky is part of the game, especially with a class that involves a lot of avoid/crit.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Transcend - Lost City
    Transcend - Lost City Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    lmao no, I didn't mean to use the analogy using direct odds.. just metaphorically :)

    So I looked at the vid, and assuming he has 10.1k and given the stun that ticked his charm and his winged shell nullifying the quickshot skill, I only needed to hit 3 of 5 crits to do 10.7k damage (any less would only be ~9.4k)

    1) 3152 stun/tick
    2) 616 qs on winged shell

    Crit dmg / Non-crit

    3) 2919 1460 → highest
    4) 2422 1211 → lowest
    5) 2771
    6) 2781
    7) 2544

    17205 10767

    Three out of 5 is definitely more realistic (even less if ST was on him), and anything above that is excessive and makes for great vids b:laugh
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