Blacklist: The "anti-disagreement" button
Miugre - Heavens Tear
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I just have a little story to share this morning... names have been omitted of course. :P
So last night, my gf and I were on our marriage quest... specifically, the Sad Lonely Widow quest. For those unfamiliar with the MQs, this particular quest involves a somewhat-annoying boss which can, depending on the couple, take a little while to kill. So a line tends to form.
Last night was no different, with somewhere around six other couples ahead of us. Luckily, everyone present was respecting the line (sometimes they don't -_-), things were progressing smoothly, and everyone seemed nice (even letting the couple ahead of us have a second go at the boss after they both died). But among the line-goers I noticed one person who wasn't married at all. She was a veno, and she had her herc out, but all the herc was doing was helping by distracting the adds while the boss was being killed. On top of that, the veno herself was donating sparks to the current tank every chance she got.
As far as I could tell, this was just a randomly helpful person.
Shortly after MQ, I notice someone spamming WC every five minutes or so - an all-caps request to marry someone, advertising herself as "a veno with herc." That is when I actually looked at the name and noticed this was that same veno who was helping out earlier (she'd been spamming WC with this even before we arrived, but I hadn't paid attention). My first instinct was "eh ok, good luck" - say what you will about gold-diggers in this game, but at least she was trying to help people.
About a minute later, a few people - including an old acquaintance of mine - began answering her in WC. As far as I could tell, they were picking on her... a name was mentioned that I didn't recognize and reference to a "scammer," but I shrugged that off and figured they were just taunting this person who appeared to simply be a gold-digger. So I felt it prudent to use one of my own (admittedly few) teles to offer the veno a little defense.
I immediately got a PM from a person in a prominent faction on my server (who also happened to be at the MQ spot when I was), informing me that the veno was in fact (a) a guy (b) actually that other person they referenced on WC, and (c) actually a spammer.
Of course I only had this PMing person's word for that, but what did I care? All I did was throw out one tele in defense of someone who was helping me and several other people earlier. I thought that would have been the end of it.
Yet this person continued to explain to me how the veno was in fact a scammer. I attempted to explain that, quite frankly, I didn't care - if I was mistaken about her intentions, then I was mistaken, but it was just one throwaway comment and I was sure as hell not going to get into any drama for it. When I explained this to my PMer, she tried to suggest that I was "involved" with it anyway. I replied that I could, in fact, opt out of drama at any time and suggested I would do so immediately. I figured that's the last time I'd PM her.
Then I get this: "BL for failing" o.O
The whole exchange took about 60 seconds.
So to sum up: I see a helpful person, she later spams WC in the style of a gold-digger, she gets flamed, I send out one WC in defense of her because she was being helpful, somone PMs me explaining how I'm apparently wrong and how I'm somehow "involved" in the drama now, I tell the PMer I don't feel like getting involved in drama, she blacklists me.
Here's the moral of the story, if I could go out on a limb to suggest one: don't abuse your blacklist. Why is it that people seem to constantly use blacklist as a means of censoring people they simply don't agree with? Hell, I wasn't even arguing with the person. I simply said one throwaway comment in WC which may have been factually inaccurate (how was I supposed to know if she was a scammer?), and when I didn't defer to my PMer's apparently perfect opinion, I was blacklisted. o.O
Personally, my blacklist is empty and always has been. When I have a problem with someone, I let them know in the most tactful way I can. When someone has a problem with me, I listen and keep an open mind - sometimes they're wrong, sometimes they're right. That's the responsible way to deal with people. IMO, blacklisting should never be done unless the person is clearly harassing you, and then only after clear and multiple warnings.
In closing, it's worth remembering that civility is important on games like this... but at the very least, don't shoot it in the foot by abusing your blacklist. It's meant for people who harass you, not people you don't agree with. A situation like this one only proves that you are closed-minded and take pleasure in feeling like you can silence someone for no good reason. If you honestly take pride in something like that, well, you have my pity.
So last night, my gf and I were on our marriage quest... specifically, the Sad Lonely Widow quest. For those unfamiliar with the MQs, this particular quest involves a somewhat-annoying boss which can, depending on the couple, take a little while to kill. So a line tends to form.
Last night was no different, with somewhere around six other couples ahead of us. Luckily, everyone present was respecting the line (sometimes they don't -_-), things were progressing smoothly, and everyone seemed nice (even letting the couple ahead of us have a second go at the boss after they both died). But among the line-goers I noticed one person who wasn't married at all. She was a veno, and she had her herc out, but all the herc was doing was helping by distracting the adds while the boss was being killed. On top of that, the veno herself was donating sparks to the current tank every chance she got.
As far as I could tell, this was just a randomly helpful person.
Shortly after MQ, I notice someone spamming WC every five minutes or so - an all-caps request to marry someone, advertising herself as "a veno with herc." That is when I actually looked at the name and noticed this was that same veno who was helping out earlier (she'd been spamming WC with this even before we arrived, but I hadn't paid attention). My first instinct was "eh ok, good luck" - say what you will about gold-diggers in this game, but at least she was trying to help people.
About a minute later, a few people - including an old acquaintance of mine - began answering her in WC. As far as I could tell, they were picking on her... a name was mentioned that I didn't recognize and reference to a "scammer," but I shrugged that off and figured they were just taunting this person who appeared to simply be a gold-digger. So I felt it prudent to use one of my own (admittedly few) teles to offer the veno a little defense.
I immediately got a PM from a person in a prominent faction on my server (who also happened to be at the MQ spot when I was), informing me that the veno was in fact (a) a guy (b) actually that other person they referenced on WC, and (c) actually a spammer.
Of course I only had this PMing person's word for that, but what did I care? All I did was throw out one tele in defense of someone who was helping me and several other people earlier. I thought that would have been the end of it.
Yet this person continued to explain to me how the veno was in fact a scammer. I attempted to explain that, quite frankly, I didn't care - if I was mistaken about her intentions, then I was mistaken, but it was just one throwaway comment and I was sure as hell not going to get into any drama for it. When I explained this to my PMer, she tried to suggest that I was "involved" with it anyway. I replied that I could, in fact, opt out of drama at any time and suggested I would do so immediately. I figured that's the last time I'd PM her.
Then I get this: "BL for failing" o.O
The whole exchange took about 60 seconds.
So to sum up: I see a helpful person, she later spams WC in the style of a gold-digger, she gets flamed, I send out one WC in defense of her because she was being helpful, somone PMs me explaining how I'm apparently wrong and how I'm somehow "involved" in the drama now, I tell the PMer I don't feel like getting involved in drama, she blacklists me.
Here's the moral of the story, if I could go out on a limb to suggest one: don't abuse your blacklist. Why is it that people seem to constantly use blacklist as a means of censoring people they simply don't agree with? Hell, I wasn't even arguing with the person. I simply said one throwaway comment in WC which may have been factually inaccurate (how was I supposed to know if she was a scammer?), and when I didn't defer to my PMer's apparently perfect opinion, I was blacklisted. o.O
Personally, my blacklist is empty and always has been. When I have a problem with someone, I let them know in the most tactful way I can. When someone has a problem with me, I listen and keep an open mind - sometimes they're wrong, sometimes they're right. That's the responsible way to deal with people. IMO, blacklisting should never be done unless the person is clearly harassing you, and then only after clear and multiple warnings.
In closing, it's worth remembering that civility is important on games like this... but at the very least, don't shoot it in the foot by abusing your blacklist. It's meant for people who harass you, not people you don't agree with. A situation like this one only proves that you are closed-minded and take pleasure in feeling like you can silence someone for no good reason. If you honestly take pride in something like that, well, you have my pity.
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Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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LigerKing (Barb), Girasole (BM), Shamsheer (Sin), ArborSoul (Mystic).
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
Other Active Characters:
LigerKing (Barb), Girasole (BM), Shamsheer (Sin), ArborSoul (Mystic).
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c00l 5t0r7 br0[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Yeah, yeah, I know, tl;dr right? XD
I do have a tendency to write up walls-o-text. Sorry :P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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I tend to blacklist annoying ppl in WC who are just spamming useless lines nobody cares about....it's different from disagreeing with ppl.....cuz there's nothing to agree/disagree, some ppl are just plain annoying."One of the most important factors, not only in military matters but in life as a whole, is ... the ability to direct one's whole energies towards the fulfillment of a particular task." - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
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damn! you took that like a champ ~_~, I shall troll you no more >:O[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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That is one ugly person in your signature. Maybe we can match0
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NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »That is one ugly person in your signature. Maybe we can match
by insulting mah siggy you insult the fanatics section of the forums!!!! >:O[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
You should consider yourself lucky you were blacklisted by someone short tempered and irational. Don't take it personal man.
Drama you'll never be fully able to avoid and you shouldn't let it get to you.0 -
you should consider yourself lucky... you dont have Wizzeled on your server ~_~[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »You should consider yourself lucky you were blacklisted by someone short tempered and irational. Don't take it personal man.
Drama you'll never be fully able to avoid and you shouldn't let it get to you.
But yeah, rest assured that I find this more funny and sad than anything else. I'm not really angry at all. :PAsmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »I tend to blacklist annoying ppl in WC who are just spamming useless lines nobody cares about....it's different from disagreeing with ppl.....cuz there's nothing to agree/disagree, some ppl are just plain annoying.
A better solution is just to mute WC. For instance, I have my faction-chat filter set up to show faction, squad and whisper chat lines. When WC bores or annoys me, I switch to that.Starchief - Sanctuary wrote: »damn! you took that like a champ ~_~, I shall troll you no more >:O[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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People can use their blacklist however they want. If they decide to be immature and blacklist you for a stupid reason, let them. I hate to say, I'm failing to see why you posted a tl;dr post with some of the most... um... interesting, shall we say, advice I've ever read.
I personally blacklist people, and then take them off my BL five minutes later when they've shut up and aren't likely to speak to me ever again. I will abuse my blacklist however I want to, merci, because it works.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I never blacklisted people ever... Sometimes people sure are ennoying or polluting your chatbox but uh, better is to avoir idiots, and I'm too lazy to click on 'blacklist' button >_<[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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why do people feel the need to say WELCOME TO MY BLACKLIST. are they that childish, that they think they need the last word? i just state im not arguing anymore, and walk away like a man if someones being stupid like that.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »why do people feel the need to say WELCOME TO MY BLACKLIST. are they that childish, that they think they need the last word? i just state im not arguing anymore, and walk away like a man if someones being stupid like that.
I think it's because they somehow feel they've won if they come out with that. As in "Welcome to my blacklist, I'm totally being more mature than you are all of a sudden."
That or they just figure it's being polite. Cause you know, maybe they hope that you'll shut up if they say that, so they DON'T have to add you to the blacklist?
... I really don't know.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
wait a minute..... THIS WAS A GUY VENO? .... GTFO!!!
hm.. good thing to know all the female wizzards are girls b:thanks0 -
I think I'll blacklist everybody on sanctuary... then tell them all in WC "Welcome to my BlackList girls!"
Just to be an ****.
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shame blacklist is limited to a small number.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »shame blacklist is limited to a small number.
Damn, foiled again.
~DF
*edit* I think I have all of two people on my BL between all of my toons.0 -
DorkFish - Sanctuary wrote: »Damn, foiled again.
~DF
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MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »Introducing the Blacklist Extension Stone!
for only 30 gold, you can have a blacklist that can hold 10,000 people!
b:chuckle
Coming to a boutique near you!
(will be released sometime near when the fish packs be released)
I'd buy it.
Then Blacklist everyone except my wife.
~S
p.s. That is, if I were actually IN the game for more than 10 minutes a day anymore. About all I do of late is log in, **** someone off, log off, and go kill Goons or anyone else that crosses my path in my other game.0 -
Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »The problem with that is that you never know when you'll meet the person later and have actual business to discuss with them - that applies to all use of BL, actually.
A better solution is just to mute WC. For instance, I have my faction-chat filter set up to show faction, squad and whisper chat lines. When WC bores or annoys me, I switch to that.
Yea but seriously...sometimes you would just go and say that there are bacteria with a higher intelligence level then ppl in WC....and then i'm talkig about the immature ones who pollute the chatbox with random nonsense or brainless flames"One of the most important factors, not only in military matters but in life as a whole, is ... the ability to direct one's whole energies towards the fulfillment of a particular task." - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
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Every single time one of you says "BL", I'm thinking "Boys' Love".If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
Everyone wants to be different, but when you're different you wish you were normal.0 -
Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »Every single time one of you says "BL", I'm thinking "Boys' Love".
Well, that's a good way to stop the argument too.0 -
Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »I personally blacklist people, and then take them off my BL five minutes later when they've shut up and aren't likely to speak to me ever again. I will abuse my blacklist however I want to, merci, because it works.
If I disagree with someone and want to stop talking to them, I'll just tell them "this is my last chatline" (which is basically what I did in this situation) and wait until they get bored of PMing me. They can feel like they had "the last word" if they want, that doesn't make them any more right in my eyes. :PAsmodiel wrote:Yea but seriously...sometimes you would just go and say that there are bacteria with a higher intelligence level then ppl in WC....and then i'm talkig about the immature ones who pollute the chatbox with random nonsense or brainless flames
The thing is, I don't waste a lot of disposable income on this game (I prefer to have a life ) so at any given time I have very very few WCs - usually less than 10. I go through a stack of 10 in a month or two, on average.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »But the question is why did you blacklist them in the first place? :P Wafflechan put it best: These people just get some kind of satisfaction from using their blacklist to "silence" people.
It's not that I get satisfaction from silencing people forcibly
It's that sometimes, there's important faction chat or squad chat going on, and the spam makes it impossible for me to keep up with said chat. Blacklist means I don't even need to ignore the fool and don't get spammed to the point of being lost in an important conversation at the same time.
Then once the conversation's over, they can come off by blacklist, and if they're still spamming me, well... they can do what they like then.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
To be honest I've had my fair share of 'being blacklisted' and to be quite frank if I did not want to be blacklisted I'd hop on different alts and pm the **** out of the person till I got the last word.0
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Mm, since I've never used my BL, I'm kinda curious of what all it does.
Someone said yesterday that they had BL'd me, but they were still responding to what I said. When I commented on this, they said that they could still see the text over my head when I talked in common chat. I had a feeling he was bullsh*tting, but I couldn't be sure, and for some reason, decided not to test it out myself (maybe I didn't want to miss the idiotic things he would say, haha).Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
Kylenea, level 99 Demon Cleric
ForestSonata, level 6x Mystic
Proud wifeh of Yudai
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Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »Mm, since I've never used my BL, I'm kinda curious of what all it does.
Someone said yesterday that they had BL'd me, but they were still responding to what I said. When I commented on this, they said that they could still see the text over my head when I talked in common chat. I had a feeling he was bullsh*tting, but I couldn't be sure, and for some reason, decided not to test it out myself (maybe I didn't want to miss the idiotic things he would say, haha).
That's actually true, you can see what they say over their heads even if they're blacklisted.0 -
Edeakyria - Sanctuary wrote: »That's actually true, you can see what they say over their heads even if they're blacklisted.
Yes, this happened to me once. I blacklisted someone who ended up in my FF squad. I didn't realize I had that person blacklisted until I started wondering why I could not see what they are saying in the chat window.0 -
I use my blacklist to see if someone's online without having to PM them. b:cute
Honestly, if someone is really harrassing me, I'd rather see what they say and possibly be able to report them than blacklist them and just ignore the issue. If you don't reply, they'll think you blacklisted them anyway, so not much of a difference.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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wizzled is on my blacklist because of incessant mindless annoying spamming of world chat.
did it the day that i counted how many wc's he made out of 100. over 70. and none of them anything worth hearing (no squad/dungeon related things, no sale related things). so yea i got fed up. every so often after maint my bl will be wiped clean. i dont notice until i see wizzled on wc again (usually only takes about 5 mins) and i bl him again.
but yea thats it. nobody else.0
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