size matter??

thikethike
thikethike Posts: 5 Arc User
edited March 2010 in Venomancer
Hi,
I am a lvl 59 veno and i use shaodu cub (lvl 54)for tank.

I want to know my pet is ok for TT and it can be solo?

Should i change my pet at lvl 80 for armored bear?

And also want to know kowlin is worth to buy as a puller.
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  • XxStarshade - Sanctuary
    XxStarshade - Sanctuary Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I think that by the time you're level 80, your shadou cub would be VERY useful. It may be a little weak at lower levels, but once it's higher, it should be one of the best pets you can have (if you continue leveling its skills).

    Armor bear... I've heard people saying that the cub is better. x3 Although, as everyone knows, Herc is the best way for a safe solo TT, though I'm pretty sure your cub will be fine.
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    i find cub to be useless, any pet with a decent veno can solo TT solomode. the armored bear at 90 is pretty much superior to the cub anyways.

    kowlin is just an over hyped, ive pulled fine with a magmite + tough, a ranged cactopod, or even an eldergoth marksmen.

    id suggest using a glacial walker, or a dark wanderer, or a seamonster guardian. those ideborn pets are yummy.
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  • Skimi - Dreamweaver
    Skimi - Dreamweaver Posts: 333 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    my lower lvl cub could tank tt better than higher lvl magmite so i just trashed magmite and used only cub for it
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Shaodu cub is a solid pet, i use it myself. The Armoured Bear will eventually become a slightly better tank although it will deal a little less damage. I wouldn't trade mine but that's up to each individual's playstyle. The thing you have to ask yourself is wether the cub is worth keeping over a Glacial Walker given the latter's much better damage output. In general terms both will handle the same tanking jobs so it comes down to individual preference (size, speed, etc.) vs performance (stats).

    As for Kowlin it will make a terrific puller although it will never be as highly regarded as an Eldergoth. In the end the thing is wether you're willing to accept any given pet's strenghts/weaknesses and what you actually want to keep in your pet bag.
  • thikethike
    thikethike Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    As for Kowlin it will make a terrific puller although it will never be as highly regarded as an Eldergoth.
    kowlin is just an over hyped, ive pulled fine with a magmite + tough, a ranged cactopod, or even an eldergoth marksmen.


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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Uh yeah - it's not worth PAYING for a Kowlin. It IS a very nice DD pet though. Very quick to kill stuff.

    The cub is said to be better than the armoured bear at very high levels (the bear has about a ten level window before the cub overtakes it again) and is a fine tank in many ways - though it deals pitiful damage.
  • sleepcat
    sleepcat Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    XxStarshade - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Armor bear... I've heard people saying that the cub is better.
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The cub is said to be better than the armoured bear at very high levels (the bear has about a ten level window before the cub overtakes it again) and is a fine tank in many ways - though it deals pitiful damage.

    The only major advantage the Shaodu Cub has over the Armored Bear is that you can use the cub starting from a much lower level, thus being able to take advantage of it throughout a longer period of the game. Although it starts with inferior stats compared to the cub, the bear has a higher stat growth rate, evening out with the cub around 90 and overtaking it past that. Where are these rumors that the Shaodu Cub is better than the Armored Bear coming from?
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  • Ophida - Dreamweaver
    Ophida - Dreamweaver Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I used the Kowlin I caught for all of one day before I decided to hell with it and sold it. Magmite has been fine for pulling up until now, so why change? b:pleased

    As for the shadou, I'm afraid I have no experience with this. Got the herc pretty early on, so never bothered with the other rare pets.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    sleepcat wrote: »
    The only major advantage the Shaodu Cub has over the Armored Bear is that you can use the cub starting from a much lower level, thus being able to take advantage of it throughout a longer period of the game. Although it starts with inferior stats compared to the cub, the bear has a higher stat growth rate, evening out with the cub around 90 and overtaking it past that. Where are these rumors that the Shaodu Cub is better than the Armored Bear coming from?

    Sounds like I got hold of the wrong end of the stick, then.
  • mooman321
    mooman321 Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The cub as stated is a solid pet, but imo does not take the place of a mag/walker. My magmite is my physical tanking pet and doubles as my dd pet in instances. You'll want both in case one goes down while tanking TT

    That being said, I use my cub for EVERYTHING else. Navigating the instance, grinding, tanking magic mobs and pulling if i don't need my eldergoths ranged attack to get it done. The cub's pounce skill and speed make it perfect for pulling party members buns out of the fire as well.

    The one dissadvantage I can see is it's damage, BUT with bleed and bash maxed it does well at holding agro now. Is it better than the armoured bear...I don't know, but it's been with me for a long time and will probably be one of the few pets I still use once I get the herc. The small size is actually an advantage. It does not interfere with targeting like the golems and armoured bear do. And lets face it, tanking with that tiny bear just looks cool.
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  • Potzi - Lost City
    Potzi - Lost City Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    so wait. does size matter? b:laugh b:laugh
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    tail size?
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Fortunately yes, size does matter.

    And really, yes a magmite can handle pulling as long as it can take the hits, but there's no comparing it to a fast pet. I don't even like pulling with my shaodu cub, i use a Tabby and will take the pepsi challenge vs an Eldergoth any day of the week. As i've said before a faster pet will be much better when dealing with a relatively large amount of pulls. And have yet to hear of a pull only an Eldergoth can handle.

    Kowlin is a great pet, it's just not for everyone.
  • SupaRoyalty - Lost City
    SupaRoyalty - Lost City Posts: 516 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I thought size only mattered in after-hours. b:dirty
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Fortunately yes, size does matter.

    And really, yes a magmite can handle pulling as long as it can take the hits, but there's no comparing it to a fast pet. I don't even like pulling with my shaodu cub, i use a Tabby and will take the pepsi challenge vs an Eldergoth any day of the week. As i've said before a faster pet will be much better when dealing with a relatively large amount of pulls. And have yet to hear of a pull only an Eldergoth can handle.

    Kowlin is a great pet, it's just not for everyone.

    Sure, Kowlin might be able to pull anything an eldergoth can, but the ones who argued for Kowlin in the past also confess that it died ~20% of the time and believe that's acceptable. There are many reasons a ranged pet is superior.
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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    Sure, Kowlin might be able to pull anything an eldergoth can, but the ones who argued for Kowlin in the past also confess that it died ~20% of the time and believe that's acceptable. There are many reasons a ranged pet is superior.

    May be so, but pulling a lot of mobs fast is not one of them.
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    Sure, Kowlin might be able to pull anything an eldergoth can, but the ones who argued for Kowlin in the past also confess that it died ~20% of the time and believe that's acceptable. There are many reasons a ranged pet is superior.
    Just stow the kowlin the instant you see the bright red whirlwiind around it as it starts using a skill and it will practically never be hit. There's no need to wait for the skill to actually land; stowing it when it starts the skill animation is good enough.

    You'd have to be exceptionally clumsy to have it die ~20% of the time. Are you sure you're remembering that right? 20% sounds right for the number of instances where I've had a kowlin death. i.e. If I pulled in 5 complete FBs, my kowlin would die once on average.

    Anyway, it's all moot now since genie lures are quicker and superior 99% of the time, especially if you have a herc. Arguing about the remaining 1% is rather pedantic. I use my marksman to pull bosses out of big groups, I use my kowlin to pull fast-moving mobs, I use my tabby (a fashion accessory, never leveled it past 20) for suicide pulls since it has zero loyalty anyway. Everything else, I pull with a zeal genie.
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    May be so, but pulling a lot of mobs fast is not one of them.
    I calculated the time difference based on movement speed and range long ago. The two are very close. If you're pulling from max range, the kowlin has the advantage. But if you're slightly closer, what I would consider more typical, the marksman is faster. The level 90-91 cacti are even faster yet if you're high enough level to tame one. But the kowlin is faster at chasing down moving mobs.
  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I tend to find that size matters b:chuckle
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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »


    I calculated the time difference based on movement speed and range long ago. The two are very close. If you're pulling from max range, the kowlin has the advantage. But if you're slightly closer, what I would consider more typical, the marksman is faster. The level 90-91 cacti are even faster yet if you're high enough level to tame one. But the kowlin is faster at chasing down moving mobs.

    That i didn't know, this is including turning off the Eldergoth's main aggro skill i supose... Still, it would be more tiresome to use the Eldergoth if for no other reason than reminding yourself to deselect the attack skill after every summon. It may not seem like much but i've always advocated efficiency at the keyboard as well, since it does have an impact. This is why i recommend keeping a pet's main aggro skill leveled, there's a really big difference in between hitting just a combo once and having to send in pet first when grinding a few hundred mobs.

    I do believe faster pets are more comfortable to use than the eldergoth.
  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'm disappointed in the Venomancer section for letting the jokes about the thread name start on the second page instead of the first.
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I do believe faster pets are more comfortable to use than the eldergoth.
    my wolf die when i use it to lure wurlord (2-3 wurlords casting before pet reaching the real one), i wouldnt use genie again to lure since wurlord 1 shoted me one time (no bramble hood, was saving chi for tank) so my last choise was my celestial sting. since that time i had no problem at wurlord.
    this also helps me luring/killing guards near phlebo/fats since those wont follow you down
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    kenlee wrote: »
    my wolf die when i use it to lure wurlord (2-3 wurlords casting before pet reaching the real one), i wouldnt use genie again to lure since wurlord 1 shoted me one time (no bramble hood, was saving chi for tank) so my last choise was my celestial sting. since that time i had no problem at wurlord.
    this also helps me luring/killing guards near phlebo/fats since those wont follow you down

    Was it a guardian wolf or one in it's family? Because other wolves aren't usually considered fast enough to pull...
  • Seika_Chi - Dreamweaver
    Seika_Chi - Dreamweaver Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Im not much into the two rare bears. I cold easy imagn they are okay even in tanking. About the kowlin, it do good as a fast puller. One of the main idea in the difference of puller and tank pet is that, the tank just need to be able to take an **** lot of dmg and do enough dmg itself to keep agro, they are often slow. A puller is the plain opposite, high speed lower dmg and def/hp. The fast pet will reach and hit the target faster, often just before the surrounding mobs fire their attacks or notice it (if they are faster than ur pet hit and u recall it, then it might die). Problem with a tank pet would be that it walks slow through the group, the others will deffinatly c it xD and u can obviously not heal it out of good reasons. A cheap tank puller team could be.

    Puller: Wolf, Minki
    Tank: Magmite, Glacial.

    Rare pets got more skills in their base skills. Kowlin definatly beat wolf and minki in speed, but also cost which wolf and minki doesn't. Same goes for other rare pets lime the bears and HERC OMG A COST. Personally i only use wolf, i didn't like the idea of everyone having same pet as me =P
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