Can you get 5 attack p/s with a BM

FrostKiller - Sanctuary wrote: »

i still can't believe i drop 100x barbs in 10 seconds. why do you care what i use anyways? i want 5 aps

and i stated in my post it may be possible with nirvana bonuses. i didnt say that what i put there was 5 aps. I've heard 2x nirvana pieces would be -0.1 interval, which would give 5.0 unsparked.

2x nirvana was +10 attack levels from what i've heard

FrostKiller - Sanctuary wrote: »

i've heard both, but also if theres a 20% chance of -0.05 on legs and you get 3 bonuses on it it may be possible for -.15 on legs. idk nirvana is too unknown atm.

its been possible to get -.15 OHT braces for some time i beleive

so 5 unsparked would in theory be possible

just takes near impossible luck so realisticly 4 is cap

also if nivana gave -.1 for 2 HA venos could get 5 APS hell sparked

so worth looking into the nirvana bounuses i guess i suppose would make sage a more viable option for BM's at least

Etaerc - Lost City wrote: »

The second recast of nirvana pants (grade 15) will always give -0.05 interval. The stats on the armor is never random for any piece. The only point of recasting after you made them g15 is that the stats usually range from 6~10. Right now, besides a weapon crafted with -0.15, your attack speed can be a max 4 aps without any attack speed buffs. To get 5 from there I think you only need a 12% increase buff. That means at that point the attack speed from demon becomes negligible and sage heel is better due to the duration. But demon isn't better because of attack speed, 1.5s longer drake bash, 1s shorter cd roar, demon magic marrow, 3s longer dragon.. etc are just a few of the reasons demon is still better.

that and sage has lower DPS to to the 2 secs of every 15 spent on heel

still would be a step twards balancing the 2

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

its been possible to get -.15 OHT braces for some time i beleive

so 5 unsparked would in theory be possible

just takes near impossible luck so realisticly 4 is cap

also if nivana gave -.1 for 2 HA venos could get 5 APS hell sparked

so worth looking into the nirvana bounuses i guess i suppose would make sage a more viable option for BM's at least

First thing, HA venos cant get even 4 atk/sec. A HA veno can wear same lvl magic weapon with good tome and some stats from gear. As a BM you will get probably get ashura boots and bracers (2 ashura for bonus plus -0.1 on wristguards), nirvana chest and pants (pants have -0.05) and lionheart neck and belt (2x lionheart for bonus). If you put HA and LA items on veno, there is no stats for mag. You only go HA or LA but of course you can use something like pure heavy or pure light with ashura ornaments or either lionheart ornaments witch is not realistic imo because your magic defences are like nothing.

Second, mage classes dont get 25% atk speed or damage reduction plus HP regen. They only get magic increase and MP regen.

Another thing is, sage bm can go with a build like this http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=76311bc5bb850dd1 (cape -int doesnt work so edited bracers). If you are lucky and you can get 3x -0.05 wristguards that nice but there are other things that you can consider. Sage cyclone heel last 20 seconds and can probably put you to 5 atk/sec if not, a cleric red ball at tanking will do it while demon doesnt benefit from that atk speed since you cant go past 5. Also sage fist mastery gives you a little more damage. If you are tanking, that 25% damage reduction will help alot and of course you can continuously triple spark even at 4atk/sec since now you get 5 chi per hit.

While you talk about pvp and skills, I saw that cezedude (spell?) from dreamveawer server soloing all TT bosses up to 3-3 squad mode with just charm and pots. Of course he has also r8, using TT100 fists but he is sage. Now, a sage bm can do the same thing as demon but a demon doesnt get 25% damage reduction so I dont think sage fist bm is that bad like others believe

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

You're making things up. Nirvana 2-piece bonus is +10 attack levels. You don't have any chance of additional random stats on Nirvana armor. There are no 'random' stats on Nirvana armor. Only weapons get 3 additional stats, 2 minor, one major.

An addition to this:

Nirvana weapons own. Pwdatabase is wrong as there is a confirmed grade 15 nirvana fist with these stats:


Major stat: Advanced Soul Shatter (GOOD GAME EVERYTHING ELSE)
Minor stat: -0.1 interval (pwdatabase says only -0.05 available, now 2x -0.1 seems possible)
Minor stat: +2 range

edit: chinese version btw, not here xD

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

An addition to this:

Nirvana weapons own. Pwdatabase is wrong as there is a confirmed grade 15 nirvana fist with these stats:


Major stat: Advanced Soul Shatter (GOOD GAME EVERYTHING ELSE)
Minor stat: -0.1 interval (pwdatabase says only -0.05 available, now 2x -0.1 seems possible)
Minor stat: +2 range

yea you can get double stats
some daggers with double stats for example
http://bbs.w2i.wanmei.com/attachments/month_1002/1002210634bf2204a2c4b2473e.png

How else were Nirvana claws supposed to be better than Deicide's? If we only could get -.05 once, most wouldn't even bother getting final form, if even that.

What worries me, is that I've read the primary skill is static upon creation, and we have 4 for claw: Revenge, Adv Revenge, Crit +3%, crit +4%. Would really suck to not get Adv Revenge, and have to restart all over to try again if what I read is correct.

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

No, every skill is completely changed when you reforge each time. Those aren't the primary bonuses for claws/fists. Very little information that is in english is correct for nirvana.

I said this on the archer forums:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=7009081&postcount=11

You sure about that?

[QUOTE=eatwithspoons;54035724) Upgrade Stats
After you have attained your Palace of Nirvana gear, you have the ability to upgrade its stats. Palace of Nirvana gear can have two random additional attributes, one major and one minor. Major attributes are associated with equipment types, while minor attributes are completely random. Players can re-roll the two additional attributes until they find statistics that meet their needs.[/QUOTE]

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

How else were Nirvana claws supposed to be better than Deicide's? If we only could get -.05 once, most wouldn't even bother getting final form, if even that.

What worries me, is that I've read the primary skill is static upon creation, and we have 4 for claw: Revenge, Adv Revenge, Crit +3%, crit +4%. Would really suck to not get Adv Revenge, and have to restart all over to try again if what I read is correct.

hmm look at nirvana weapons at forge: -0.1 /+16 - +17 vit / soul infect
but thats intermediate nirvana... idk what is gonna look like after forge