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KohakuNushi - Lost City
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The Psychic are the most squishy class ever, at my lvl whit 3 sok each wear g7 Garmet and all gear, and i have 94 vit and still die easy way, a mage whit similar gear and veno or Ep last longer, is prety sad b:shocked i hated to much be so paperdoll b:cry. well if any have any idea Hope 79- Sage/Demon help cause this is realy sux , and sin almost time 1 shot me.....b:bye
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I dont think ther is too much u can do to make a physco Un squishy...b:sad0
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even if they die easy, u shouldnt die that often due to their damage and cast speeds. so far the only thing thats been able to hit me were ranged mobs. other mobs can be taken down before they get close to u.0
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Outside of dungeon...
High damage + kiting = win.
Inside of dungeon...
Aggro control + tank in squad = win.
In PvP...
Well, you basically have to know how to fight with your class. No simple formula here. b:chuckle0 -
KohakuNushi - Lost City wrote: »The Psychic are the most squishy class ever, at my lvl whit 3 sok each wear g7 Garmet and all gear, and i have 94 vit and still die easy way, a mage whit similar gear and veno or Ep last longer, is prety sad b:shocked i hated to much be so paperdoll b:cry. well if any have any idea Hope 79- Sage/Demon help cause this is realy sux , and sin almost time 1 shot me.....b:bye
First of all, which build are you using?
With that above average gear, I would have better survivability than you, after all, I do not pull aggro and I kill stuff faster before they reach me anyway.
If you are dying this much, perhaps, psychic isn't the class to play for you.
To continue down this path, it will require refining of your play style and patience.
Please note that I'm a pure Mag build and do not die as much as you. b:victory0 -
get some lvl 9x enemies , like archers , sins, and good bms -- u really start feeling the lack of pdeff on psychic
im pure , atm the only way to compensate pdeff lack is event cape paired with fc gold necklace and belt , both refined, and all way garnetsb:shockedb:shocked0 -
Szol - Harshlands wrote: »get some lvl 9x enemies , like archers , sins, and good bms -- u really start feeling the lack of pdeff on psychic
im pure , atm the only way to compensate pdeff lack is event cape paired with fc gold necklace and belt , both refined, and all way garnetsb:shockedb:shocked
I'm surprised that you have difficulties at that level... were you using TT-90 set? It is because the 90 set offers more pdef than LA 90.
Also, unless I got a good team backing me up in tw, or I would be running around with white voodoo with reflect skills on.0 -
we are not more squichy then arcane wizard or arcane venomancer
-psychic have soul of retaliation, psychic will and white voodoo
-venomancer have pet, bramble hood and fox form
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PequetteV - Lost City wrote: »we are not more squichy then arcane wizard or arcane venomancer
-psychic have soul of retaliation, psychic will and white voodoo
-venomancer have pet, bramble hood and fox form
-wizard have glacial embrace and stone barrier
b:victory Agreed.0 -
PequetteV - Lost City wrote: »we are not more squichy then arcane wizard or arcane venomancer
-psychic have soul of retaliation, psychic will and white voodoo
-venomancer have pet, bramble hood and fox form
-wizard have glacial embrace and stone barrier
is true but i think , i no try flame is my opinion:
psychic will and white voodoo - but i cant kill
psychic have soul of retaliation - By chance
psychic will - bets skill my opinion (but the text is bad say any target)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
using tt 80 gold atm , and arms tt90 ,
18xx pdeff unbuffed - thats an archer looking at me for 2 sec
on the other hand, i can kill like every class with relativeley ease IF i can do first strike
gotta get some more 90 pieces before i can run down some actual advice for gears , but atm im kind of dissappointed
white voodoo , retaliation , silence ... etc all looks nice ,,, but well , retaliation still makes me 1 shot to archers with +5 bows . white voodoo makes me a duck running around not been able to be killed, and tossing some dots every 15 sec --- yaaaay,, i just made the player tic k for 300 dmg -.-
dont get me wring no qq from me .... just trying to make some things clear here --- as ppl always talk the lack of defense away ---
another example using white voodoo and stun --- white voodoo . eart6h vektor --- black voodoo -- yay 2-3 sec left for skills . bnefore getting back to white and waiting for earth cd again ....
same with psy will, u run vs some melee or patk-- ur dead unless u got some spark for psy will
white voodoo is in no way any good to make up for our lack of defense ,,, as it just gimps me too much, to make me be able to kill enemy classes in pvp--
just my thoughts.. now ur comments
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Yes sometime , i feel the same runing withing for CD, but that is true white voodoo no always is work nice for me , i still taining for pvp , in some point i kown wil be easy when i control timings and stuff for Genies and skills[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Listen carefully, while I tell you the arcane secrets of staying alive.
We start it off with a slow down skil. Soon as said slow down skill is coold down, you use it again. Repeat said procuder till said mob comes so close it might hit you after your next skill.
Now, use a knockback skill, followed by another slow down skill. Repeat spammig said slow down skil till mob comes to close to you again.
If knock back skill is ready again, use it and repeat the whole proces if needed (if you are actually need this, you probably forgot to equip your weapon btw)
Alternative is spam slow down skill, and run run back till said slow down skill is cooled down, repeat said proces. This is called the art of kiting
And now some advises for those who are not morons:
If you feel you die with black vodoo, and can't kill with white vodoo, I have a little tip. Don't use vodoo.
Kite ALWAYS, you can't tank a phys enemy, simply don't try unles you have a cleric slave9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris0 -
if you put all def stones it wont be that hard to live cause when you use your att lvl buff you wont lose as much def and vice versa if you use att stones but thats my theory i havent played one0
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Szol - Harshlands wrote: »using tt 80 gold atm , and arms tt90 ,
18xx pdeff unbuffed - thats an archer looking at me for 2 sec
on the other hand, i can kill like every class with relativeley ease IF i can do first strike
gotta get some more 90 pieces before i can run down some actual advice for gears , but atm im kind of dissappointed
white voodoo , retaliation , silence ... etc all looks nice ,,, but well , retaliation still makes me 1 shot to archers with +5 bows . white voodoo makes me a duck running around not been able to be killed, and tossing some dots every 15 sec --- yaaaay,, i just made the player tic k for 300 dmg -.-
dont get me wring no qq from me .... just trying to make some things clear here --- as ppl always talk the lack of defense away ---
another example using white voodoo and stun --- white voodoo . eart6h vektor --- black voodoo -- yay 2-3 sec left for skills . bnefore getting back to white and waiting for earth cd again ....
same with psy will, u run vs some melee or patk-- ur dead unless u got some spark for psy will
white voodoo is in no way any good to make up for our lack of defense ,,, as it just gimps me too much, to make me be able to kill enemy classes in pvp--
just my thoughts.. now ur comments
I agree on almost all accounts.
The ideas of white Voodoo and black are great on paper but the skill penalty's combined with the cast time of each makes them impractical in fights against "skilled"/geared players.
Like Szol said white voodoo may keep us alive while being hit by say a skilled/geared BM, or against any Barb but there will usually be no way to kill them with -99 reduced attack level.
Yet with black Voodoo we now are able to hit as hard as we should be and have a chance to kill most charmed classes, But! We probably won't live long enough to take them out with all of our squishyness.
Now I'm not trying to say Pychics as a class suck, they have several strengths in pvp and pve i.e. distance aoe's, fast attacks, and damage reflection.
And I will say being able to slaughter Veno nixes with soulburn is very satisfying. b:chuckle
It's just that one of our best pvp moves Soulburn, requires us to "take a hit" which as stated above makes for bad situations in pvp unless the opponent has sub par gear or no pvp sense.
Anyways in a nutshell I think the class is almost there, just in need of some holes filled.Who doesn't love pie!?0 -
KohakuNushi - Lost City wrote: »The Psychic are the most squishy class ever, at my lvl whit 3 sok each wear g7 Garmet and all gear, and i have 94 vit and still die easy way, a mage whit similar gear and veno or Ep last longer, is prety sad b:shocked i hated to much be so paperdoll b:cry. well if any have any idea Hope 79- Sage/Demon help cause this is realy sux , and sin almost time 1 shot me.....b:bye
Learn to play your class better? Thats all I can say. I have no problems with any class. Sins don't One hit you if you know how to play against them right.
What it boils down to, is not understanding skills and the ability to deploy those skills in a situation where they are needed. Sure Psychic is a little bit squishy, but I learned to deal with it, and the skills help alot. At lvl 88, I have 1499 base p.def w/o any buffs. And about 3k hp w/o buffs. I do just fine.
By the way. No point in tossing tons of p.def shards in gears. Go look up the idea of diminishing return. Very little of that extra p.def will actually help. Use Citrines for survival, and maybe socket one piece of gear w/ Garnets at the highest grade you can afford.
But 90% of your problem seems to be your lack of knowledge of the class.Got fish?0 -
Szol - Harshlands wrote: »using tt 80 gold atm , and arms tt90 ,
18xx pdeff unbuffed - thats an archer looking at me for 2 sec
on the other hand, i can kill like every class with relativeley ease IF i can do first strike
gotta get some more 90 pieces before i can run down some actual advice for gears , but atm im kind of dissappointed
white voodoo , retaliation , silence ... etc all looks nice ,,, but well , retaliation still makes me 1 shot to archers with +5 bows . white voodoo makes me a duck running around not been able to be killed, and tossing some dots every 15 sec --- yaaaay,, i just made the player tic k for 300 dmg -.-
dont get me wring no qq from me .... just trying to make some things clear here --- as ppl always talk the lack of defense away ---
another example using white voodoo and stun --- white voodoo . eart6h vektor --- black voodoo -- yay 2-3 sec left for skills . bnefore getting back to white and waiting for earth cd again ....
same with psy will, u run vs some melee or patk-- ur dead unless u got some spark for psy will
white voodoo is in no way any good to make up for our lack of defense ,,, as it just gimps me too much, to make me be able to kill enemy classes in pvp--
just my thoughts.. now ur comments
At the same time I think the above I posted applies as well. There are plenty of alternatives.
I personally only ever use white voodoo vs clerics and venos. Catch them with an off hand soulburn and watch them kill half their hp, pop landslide of the interrupt, switch to black voodoo, and finish them off.
There are plenty of other tactics you can use without complaining about the voodoos. I personally think they are awesome. It all comes down to knowing how to play your class and how to work against other classes in a way that works. Psychic will is nice of course, but I only really use it vs a BM who uses Red cloud sprint. 99.9% of the time if I can catch them with the stun, they are dead in 3-4 hits before they ever reach me.Got fish?0 -
You got a lot of tools to your disposal
USE THEM FFS
Psychic will = Immune to Phy-atk for a while (depending on lvl)
You can switch between black and white voodoo in a pinch depending on the situation.
There's soul of stunning to stun something/someone attacking you for a few seconds (depending on soulforce)
There's Earth Vector for that extra stun, high stun chance, and even aoe (does need 1 spark)
Soulburn to make people suicide if they use ANY skill whatsoever while under it's effects.
Etc, squishy my ****. If all else fails go LA, I know I did, though I'm switching back to Arcane as soon as I'm done with TT90 stuff.
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I have to add to this that I don't do open world PvP as it is a waste of my time/gear/money/yadda yadda. I do TWs and almost never get killed there (unless we get zerged down somehow) I guess Sins are more useful in the above. *shrug* why would I do open world ganking while being a squishy, 9 out of 10 times you get caught unaware anyways and die before you blink an eye."Anger is my shield."
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Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »Listen carefully, while I tell you the arcane secrets of staying alive.
We start it off with a slow down skil. Soon as said slow down skill is coold down, you use it again. Repeat said procuder till said mob comes so close it might hit you after your next skill.
Now, use a knockback skill, followed by another slow down skill. Repeat spammig said slow down skil till mob comes to close to you again.
If knock back skill is ready again, use it and repeat the whole proces if needed (if you are actually need this, you probably forgot to equip your weapon btw)
Alternative is spam slow down skill, and run run back till said slow down skill is cooled down, repeat said proces. This is called the art of kiting
And now some advises for those who are not morons:
If you feel you die with black vodoo, and can't kill with white vodoo, I have a little tip. Don't use vodoo.
Kite ALWAYS, you can't tank a phys enemy, simply don't try unles you have a cleric slave
LIES!
the secret is stone barrier and blink!
i have 2.3k pdef unbuffed and thanks to stone barrier that actually allows me to last a decent amount of time b:pleasedSins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Yes you just imagin lool
They aren t the most squishy class ever, the reason why you probably die easier than a wizz with same gear stats or w/e is mainly you use black voodoo all the time that lower your def lvl.
Or else you don t pay enough attention, or you know that things about oracle... b:chuckle0 -
I really like the way they designed psychics. Who cares if I'm "squishy" (ew?)? It's worth it for the damage that I do.
Also, I'm sure someone said it already, why not just use white voodoo if you don't like it?0 -
You all forget something important, You can use white vodoo then use soulburn after that and it wont nerf your damage at all because its based on your soulforce not your atk......doing that then once its over using holy path to escape then going distance black vodoo and kiting and you can take down most things if you do it right, it also helps to have soul of stunning on just before you kite so they are stunned it gives you extra time to beat on them before they get to you b:laugh[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Shealu - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yes you just imagin lool
They aren t the most squishy class ever, the reason why you probably die easier than a wizz with same gear stats or w/e is mainly you use black voodoo all the time that lower your def lvl.
Or else you don t pay enough attention, or you know that things about oracle... b:chuckle
.... I muts say the coment no help , so go play Psy and see what i say . but not i get less squishy[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
KohakuNushi - Lost City wrote: »The Psychic are the most squishy class ever, at my lvl whit 3 sok each wear g7 Garmet and all gear, and i have 94 vit and still die easy way, a mage whit similar gear and veno or Ep last longer, is prety sad b:shocked i hated to much be so paperdoll b:cry. well if any have any idea Hope 79- Sage/Demon help cause this is realy sux , and sin almost time 1 shot me.....b:bye
Step away from the oracles and learn your class0 -
Go Heavy Armor, (???), Gain Unsquishyness, PROFIT!! <-[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Helbear - Heavens Tear wrote: »Step away from the oracles and learn your class
1. i never oracle and no CS
2. u form PVE server so u no have any idea about i talking to
3. stop post whitout reason but gain count.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Alt Psychic..current active..i may only be lvl 26..but i've only died twice, and one of those times was when i went afk on Facebook and forgot about the aggroable Werewolf Spearmen. Melee mobs haven't reached me yet..magic mobs get their magic attack cancelled with Landslide and then killed..and ranged usually die before they fire an arrow..not sure what you're doing wrong..make sure you're at max range to attack maybe? Also i'm pure mag (1 str 9 mag every 2 lvls)
Edit: Oh and i have Black Vodoo up all the time.0 -
KohakuNushi - Lost City wrote: »1. i never oracle and no CS
2. u form PVE server so u no have any idea about i talking to
3. stop post whitout reason but gain count.
Stop acting high and mighty with that lowly talk about PvE when u are obviously not in a position to criticise that.
PvP servers don't grant you instant skill and epic knowledge - you are 80+ and still have no clue how to play your class? On a PvP server? With that talk of yours u should feel embarassed to admit that u don't even have the knowledge of a "lowly" PvE server.KohakuNushi - Lost City wrote: »psychic will and white voodoo - but i cant kill
psychic have soul of retaliation - By chance
psychic will - bets skill my opinion (but the text is bad say any target)
What has psychic will to do with killing? You don't cast it on others, it's a self cast skill. If u can't kill with white voodoo it's ur lack of knowing what to do in combination with that skill. Soulburn? (kills some sins when they are about to use shadow escape xD) DoTs? Kite and switch to black? (depends on which class u are fighting whether it's possible to use this or not, but still one type of fighting if u are squishie). I faced a 90 barb with tt80 gold armor +10, calas +10, tauren +10 and >+5 accessory and he wasn't able to kill me with white voodoo and empowered vigor. Don't know if I would be able to kill him, some veno was interfering after 3-4 minutes and I died xD
Retalation is not by chance, it always absorbs and reflects dmg. Talk about being on a PvP server and the "position" u gain from it....you should use that skill more often to know it's effect and chances.
Yeah, psychic will is one of the best skills against physical-dmgdealing enemies. The text is not bad, only wrong.
Empowered Vigor grants u 7 seconds charm cooldown, which u should have casted on urself all the time outta sz anyways.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I loled, you have too much free time Fap =(
and ser, Being in a PvP server or PvE server doesn't automatically grant you the knowledge and IQ to play your class right. I'm just saying.
Ok, now I dunno why, but the original poster post psychic will, white voodoo and soul of retaliation as defense mechanism for psychic. For some reason, you just start to combine use psychic will while white voodoo and QQ you can't kill *****. I call this lack of IQ. Psychic will is unecessary if you enter white voodoo and have empower vigor. Also, White voodoo is mainly tool for stall while ticking opponent charm, all barb know how annoying it is if a psy start to play stalling vs them. 15 minute stalling a 9x barb with decent gear is squishy? I dont think so.
Soul of Retaliation have chance? this is lack of knowledge. It cancel upon hit. If you talking about Soul of Silence however, well, the chance can be improved by soulforce.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
good advice ^-^0
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Hypnos - Raging Tide wrote: »I loled, you have too much free time Fap =(
and ser, Being in a PvP server or PvE server doesn't automatically grant you the knowledge and IQ to play your class right. I'm just saying.
Ok, now I dunno why, but the original poster post psychic will, white voodoo and soul of retaliation as defense mechanism for psychic. For some reason, you just start to combine use psychic will while white voodoo and QQ you can't kill *****. I call this lack of IQ. Psychic will is unecessary if you enter white voodoo and have empower vigor. Also, White voodoo is mainly tool for stall while ticking opponent charm, all barb know how annoying it is if a psy start to play stalling vs them. 15 minute stalling a 9x barb with decent gear is squishy? I dont think so.
Soul of Retaliation have chance? this is lack of knowledge. It cancel upon hit. If you talking about Soul of Silence however, well, the chance can be improved by soulforce.
...well said...0
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