Why are people so fast to point blame?

nekoxkitty wrote: »

Ok so I was on my main sin earlier today and I was doing my BH 51. We had sin (me) 2 clerics a barb a wiz and a archer. Well we got to Rankar and the barb just charged right to him before we cleared I went to clear I got one killed but then i noticed everyone was focusing on Rankar. Anyways I go to help because well we had 2 clerics and any BH i've been in that had 2 clerics were always able to heal me and the barb unless one used BB. Anyways I go to help and the cleric doesn't pay any attention to my health so I go to run out of the way and his aoe hits me. Barb loses aggro after that I get rezed I die again due to everyone not clearing out the other monsters then barb loses aggro again runs right into the clerics and get them killed I get rezed I go invisible cause I see barb running around chasing after everyone else they all die then it starts. The barb starts saying I stole aggro then everyone else joins in and says I got the squad killed. I kept trying to tell them I died before aggro started bouncing but they wouldn't listen I also tell them the barb got everyone killed because he charged in before we cleared and then started chasing after people with rankar right behind him.

So what I want to know is why is everyone so quick to toss the blame to who ever they feel like it. Because it's not the first time this has happend where some one dies and then I get blamed or we have a low lvl tank and were killing things and everyone is stealing aggro but im the only one who gets told to stop it. Seriously is it because im a sin? Or is it because im a girl? Or do people just feel like I deserve to be blamed for pretty much everything because it's really starting to become a problem where I end up leaving because everyones blaming me for anything that goes wrong.

Simplest answer:

When something goes wrong, it's always someone else's mistake, because obviously the speaker is perfect. Flawless. Godlike. A higher being. A worship-worthy existence. Jesus?

nekoxkitty wrote: »

Ok so I was on my main sin earlier today and I was doing my BH 51. We had sin (me) 2 clerics a barb a wiz and a archer. Well we got to Rankar and the barb just charged right to him before we cleared I went to clear I got one killed but then i noticed everyone was focusing on Rankar.

- For me, in this situation, I would sound out to squad "Adds"

if there is someone tanking the adds, I would assist in killing the adds.

In this sutation, everyone else is probably afraid of getting aggro, so forcused on tanks target instead.


Anyways I go to help because well we had 2 clerics and any BH i've been in that had 2 clerics were always able to heal me and the barb unless one used BB. Anyways I go to help and the cleric doesn't pay any attention to my health so I go to run out of the way and his aoe hits me.

-As I have said, everyone is afraid of getting unnecessary aggro, so they forcused on tank instead.

Barb loses aggro after that I get rezed I die again due to everyone not clearing out the other monsters then barb loses aggro again runs right into the clerics and get them killed I get rezed I go invisible cause I see barb running around chasing after everyone else they all die then it starts. The barb starts saying I stole aggro then everyone else joins in and says I got the squad killed. I kept trying to tell them I died before aggro started bouncing but they wouldn't listen I also tell them the barb got everyone killed because he charged in before we cleared and then started chasing after people with rankar right behind him.
- In this situation, I would hazard a guess that either the clerics over-healed barb and got aggro. I do not know if it is possible / Mage and Archer stole agggro for a moment, Barb snatches back, cleric heals barb and got the aggro and were first to hit the inviting floor.


So what I want to know is why is everyone so quick to toss the blame to who ever they feel like it. Because it's not the first time this has happend where some one dies and then I get blamed or we have a low lvl tank and were killing things and everyone is stealing aggro but im the only one who gets told to stop it. Seriously is it because im a sin? Or is it because im a girl? Or do people just feel like I deserve to be blamed for pretty much everything because it's really starting to become a problem where I end up leaving because everyones blaming me for anything that goes wrong.

-It is not hard to blame you because your ilk has posted topics about how potentially high your DPS is. Adding to that, lotsa oracale sins are actually snatching aggro here and there, leaving a bad impression on them.

I would not say whose fault it is in this case because I'm not present at the crime scene, reconstructing of the events is purely based on experience on possible factors.

Also, I do not know if this is the full story or is it a summary of events with selective parts left out because the chain of events doesn't quite linked up at some parts.

When in doubt, always think before starting your attack on the boss. As everyone knows, only those who have hit the boss in some way, dies when the boss runs rampage.

So if the squad wipes, they cannot blame you for aggro snatching because you have never DD in the first place.

This way saved me from losing exp countless of times. And if more people adopt this method, starting at 90% mark or lower on boss hp, then we would not have so much problems.

I think the main job of a cleric is to keep themselves alive and the tank alive. They can always rez you or others later, but if the cleric or tank dies then all hell might break loose.

There are pots for any minor damage of mobs and from boss AoE. Why should a cleric use his or her mana to give you a full heal for a bit of hp. Is your hp cost more important than a cleric mp cost during run. And, i must say if you just stood there and let a AoE keep hitting you for hit points till you died, you not to bright. For safety reason and just sommon courtasy for the cleric in your squad, use hp pots and dont expect cleric to heal every little bit of hp lost.

Global warming. 'Nuff said.

In some cases there is actually 1 to blame lol

So many people can be really ignorant and dumb, wasting other people time and money, refusing to listen and do what their suppose to - it often make parties wipe.

I dont give a **** its just a game, if that wizards or BM goes afk on a macro at wave 9 in Rebirth because he is lazy and makes the party wipe i will blame the **** out if him lol

He just wasted 2-3 hours of my valuable spare time + coins.

I't wasn't your fault!!! it was the tanks fault for being a fail the 2 clerics fault for failing to keep an eye on the group it was the blamers fault for blaming the blamee for being in the blame position to take said blame in the first place so in closing i guess it was your fault. So from now on just start blaming the blamer for being such a blaming failure.b:angry

Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you can't stop spamming IH on the tank long enough to cast a Chromatic Healing Beam every 20 seconds or so, then you're either a bad cleric, or you're running with a fail tank.

A cleric's job is to keep the entire squad alive, not just the tank. Everyone else can't do their jobs if they're all dying from AoEs.

Well maybe since you know what to do so well, you should be a cleric, not a WF.

My first char before I rerolled was EP... it's not easy when your tank sucks. Sometimes, like previously said, you need to keep that tank alive because if you stop healing he'll die. If he dies, then everyone dies. I'd rather have all my DD die than the whole pt wipe and boss reset.

Silly people.

The clerics job is to keep me alive.

The best way for them to do that is to keep your tank alive, so that the boss dies, and let you die.

I mean, I'm not even on your server - but it's best to be safe.


Edit:
Ok, being slightly serious - rushing in to take the boss without clearing the adds is a bit mean. And I'd kinda expect the second cleric to throw the occasional heal to the secondary tank who is cleaning up the adds.
Things go wrong sometimes, though.

From what I seen, it is easier to point blame on the DDs than the cleric/tank.

The tank can run in friggin' circles all over the FB with the boss on their heels, the cleric can nuke a group of mobs that they know they can't handle and kill everyone.

But because their class is so needed, so required, they can easily get away with things like that and still be invited to squads.

I remember squading with this one herc veno that decided to, after Rankar, AOE the next three sets of mobs. Me, on my wizard, automatically heals despite the fact that we have two clerics in party simply because I don't want to put too much stress on the clerics. One, I don't know why the clerics decided to afk right after Rankar, especially since they were lvl 80+ and had absolutely no reason to even leave the instance. Two, We all know that a wizard's heal is slow, so before it could pop off, she was dead in three hits. She blamed me for aggroing the other two mobs, even though it was obvious she used Noxious Gas to hit the next three[ I'm a Veno, I know the animation, damnit.]

When I tried explaining that all I did was try to heal her, and my heal never ever popped off, she left the squad, and so did everyone else with her. "Let's see if you can do it yourself then." I totally got my Guild and wiped the floor with those mobs x3

I believe that it wasn't your fault. Tanks and Clerics get away with a lot nowadays, especially in BHs. It is just generally easier to blame a DD for a fk up than one of the "important" classes. Pft.

No BB in '51? O.o No BB on Rankar, sure, because he interrupts, but at Wyvern? Depends on the tank. BMs or low 60s barbs, stay at extreme range and IH and purify; mid 60s and above barbs, or 70+ BMs, BB. Easiest way to protect everyone, if BB is sufficient for the tank.

I didn't say it was NEEDED (with a low HP/phys res tank at Wyvern, BB doesn't heal enough, and IH/purify is necessary, like I said) but it makes life easier for the rest of the squad if you can do it. Especially assassins at Wyvern. Also sometimes you have a bad pull/sh*t hits the fan moment in any FB/BH, and then BB can save the day.

Also at Farren, BB lets the lower levels participate in the fight.

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm sorry, but there is not an 'overwhelming consensus' of anything. Saying something over and over doesn't make it true, and in this case, there are fewer actual scientists saying it, than people who have a vested financial agenda to say it.

You make your case in a well reasoned and articulate fashion, i take no offense at being addressed with intelligence. Much like you i believe in questioning authority and in not accepting such things as contradict available evidence. Skepticism is a healthy habit.

I do stand by my statement AGW is supported by an overwhelming consensus amongst the scientific comunity; All Nobel laureates in science (unlike the fields of peace and literature, still a worthy accomplishment) who have publicly spoken on the issue (a majority), all scientific bodies of standing in the world, including those dependant on the UN system (whatever criticisms may be leveled at this body, it houses through it's programs the most inclusive of technically profficient scientific institutions) as well the science academies of most G20 countries (including my own) and of every idustrialized nation (including the USA). No recognized scientific body or even individual college has challenged this consensus, and to most scientists the debate centers about the effects and costs, not wether the problem exists.

As for the incident at the University of East Anglia no evidence of wrong doing has emerged (as a lawyer i'm somewhat punctual about these things) despite an ongoing investigation by the UK's government. The allegations are based on documents obtained through hacking and have yet to be reviewed in a court of law. Furthermore all they really point to is mishandling of access to information by skeptics and unflattering remarks about them. No published research has been tainted or questioned because of this.

As for urban heat islands the issue was dutifully addressed by the third report of the Intergovermental Panel on Climate Change (a body composed by scientists of international standing and often charged with undermining the dangers of AGW by other researchers) and found to have no significant impact based on published studies which addressed it's effect.

As for the impact of solar variation this has been debunked by published science as well, the effect having been accounted for in climate models and considered unsignificant. This is the position of all Astronomical Societies that have spoken on the issue (including the Americans) and NASA.

As for the argument that temperatures have failed to rise in the last 15 years the only available evidence comes from temperature records in the United States alone, and whose validity has now been questioned by several researchers. I do keep up with British newscasts (printed journalism has unfortunately continued to suffer the trend towards becoming a tabloid press) and not so long ago i remember watching in the BBC Hardtalk series allegations being raised against American interest groups of providing ample funds to any researcher willing to debunk AGW.

Now, i have up until this point based most of my argument on published, peer reviewed science. To me the important evidence lies however in who are the skeptics on the technical side of the issue. Indeed all are American or American funded scientists (a mere handful) of little repute and no international standing. Given there is a heated political debate in the United States (to all practical purposes one of the world's leading polluters and a non signatory to Kyoto) i would question the true goals behind such skeptics.
The USA has rich coal deposits it would become unable to exploit were such measures as demanded by scientists be implemented. Also there is the alegation about transfer of wealth, and heavy opposition towards cap and trade.

It is from politically motivated interest groups and media personalities that the controvery has arisen, not really from within scientific comunity where such things are handled through research. I do question the sources on the other side of the debate, their methods and their motivations.

This is a debate that should be handled by scientists, and on that front it is no longer even considered a matter of dispute.

Sai, i have little doubt you've already heard my arguments and that you've had good reasons to dismiss them. I do want to make it clear that in no way do i question your sincerity on this, nor your integrity. I believe you're honestly arguing what you believe to be the truth. I also think it remains a matter of respect to respond to a well formulated post and i have done so. While debate is healthy i do think this is not an appropiate forum to discuss this matter, and while in no way would i begrudge you a public response, for my part i'll only continue this debate through pms or in an appropiate setting. i have been guilty of less than apropiate behaviour in here and do wish to correct that.