Jade of Steady Defense

Burnout - Harshlands
Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
edited February 2010 in General Discussion
Just curious, I saw a barb on HL today that had multiple Jade of steady defense socketed on their armors, this gives +2 defense level. So is there a way to create a gem with +2 attack level? The barb in question has over 20 defense level from gems, to equal that in attack level would basically mean I have to socket my entire gears with diamond of tigers b:shocked

And seriously I used to wonder wtf he meant when he pm'ed me "Just wait I will have the better defense on all of Harshlands", now I know o.o
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  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Just curious:

    where the heck did he get that from?
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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You can make them out of diamond of dragons I think.
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  • Born_Again_ - Sanctuary
    Born_Again_ - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/itype/12636
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  • Drsok - Harshlands
    Drsok - Harshlands Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ok for every deff lvl plus what exactly dose it do
    dose it give magic and phy deff?
  • Furtive - Heavens Tear
    Furtive - Heavens Tear Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Drsok - Harshlands wrote: »
    ok for every deff lvl plus what exactly dose it do
    dose it give magic and phy deff?

    You receive 1% less dmg from every attack
    With attack lvl u deal 1% more dmg

    In pvp, if u have 10 attck lvl and your target has 10 def lvl then u deal normal dmg, they cancel out each other
  • Lulznotwar - Lost City
    Lulznotwar - Lost City Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Drsok - Harshlands wrote: »
    ok for every deff lvl plus what exactly dose it do
    dose it give magic and phy deff?

    It reduces the dmg you take by 1% per defense level

    and attack levels work the same it adds 1% extra attack
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  • Accel - Raging Tide
    Accel - Raging Tide Posts: 673 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Btw, its 3 diamond of dragons to combine for 1 jade of steady defense at jewels craftsman.
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  • Taarloor - Harshlands
    Taarloor - Harshlands Posts: 472 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Burnout you talking about Speedyy? Hes got like +24 defense lvl lolz, epic effort.

    The +2 Defense lvl shards can be made from combining 3 +1 attack lvl shards at any jewelcraftsman, I wish id made some when diamond's were being practically thrown away QQ b:cry

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  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    That's... a lot of money...
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  • ArchAngel - Dreamweaver
    ArchAngel - Dreamweaver Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    no TT equip other than TT100 is able to use these stuff lmao.. b:surrender
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    That's... a lot of money...

    It's also almost as effective as stacking +10 vit stones, just much less expensive.

    And yes, wish I had bought more diamond of dragons when they were cheaper. :<
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  • Sangodoc - Dreamweaver
    Sangodoc - Dreamweaver Posts: 501 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Furtive - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You receive 1% less dmg from every attack
    With attack lvl u deal 1% more dmg

    In pvp, if u have 10 attck lvl and your target has 10 def lvl then u deal normal dmg, they cancel out each other
    That's not true, they won't cancel each other out.

    For example, let's say you'd normally deal 1000 damage to Player X. Now, if you get +10 attack levels and Player X gets +10 defense levels, then you will do 1000 + (1000*0.10) = 1100 damage. If that gets reduced by 10% then 1100 * 0.9 = 990 damage, or 10 damage less than normal. A defense level of about +9 cancels out an attack level of +10; in our example 1100 * 0.91 = 1001, or just 1 over the normal 1000.

    In other words, defense levels are worth just a tiny bit more than attack levels.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sangodoc - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    That's not true, they won't cancel each other out.

    For example, let's say you'd normally deal 1000 damage to Player X. Now, if you get +10 attack levels and Player X gets +10 defense levels, then you will do 1000 + (1000*0.10) = 1100 damage. If that gets reduced by 10% then 1100 * 0.9 = 990 damage, or 10 damage less than normal. A defense level of about +9 cancels out an attack level of +10; in our example 1100 * 0.91 = 1001, or just 1 over the normal 1000.

    In other words, defense levels are worth just a tiny bit more than attack levels.
    You are making an assumption that attack levels are applied before defense levels. I dont think this is the case. Please test this in an instance by punching someone in a duel with and without dominance blessings.
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  • Sangodoc - Dreamweaver
    Sangodoc - Dreamweaver Posts: 501 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You are making an assumption that attack levels are applied before defense levels. I dont think this is the case. Please test this in an instance by punching someone in a duel with and without dominance blessings.
    I'm not sure what the order is either. The math is more complex the other way so I used that assumption for simplicity's sake, but in either case it's still not true that a +10 defense level cancels out a +10 attack level.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sangodoc - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I'm not sure what the order is either. The math is more complex the other way so I used that assumption for simplicity's sake, but in either case it's still not true that a +10 defense level cancels out a +10 attack level.

    It would not add complexity for attack and defense levels to cancel
    damage*(100 + attacker attack level - target defense level )/100
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  • Szol - Harshlands
    Szol - Harshlands Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    aint it this way :

    atk lvl increases dmg by 1% for every atk lvl u got more than target got defense lvls and vice versa ofc
  • Sangodoc - Dreamweaver
    Sangodoc - Dreamweaver Posts: 501 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It would not add complexity for attack and defense levels to cancel
    damage*(100 + attacker attack level - target defense level )/100
    Yeah, it looks like you're right. I did a search and found this, which supports the idea that they're combined before calculating the resulting damage.
  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I want a +2 attack level stone now. Thats a load of ****.
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  • Lycanthar - Sanctuary
    Lycanthar - Sanctuary Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I want a +2 attack level stone now. Thats a load of ****.

    no u r /trollstance
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  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    All my gear is decked out with +1 attack gems. I want +2 XD
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  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sangodoc - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yeah, it looks like you're right. I did a search and found this, which supports the idea that they're combined before calculating the resulting damage.

    The difference between ATK and DEF lvl is calculated first, before any modification is done to damage dealt. The text in character window used to be clearer about this, and during the first JJ event where we got the 30 ATK lvl it was explained pretty well for everyone. No idea why they changed the description.
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