Veno healing aggro NO SUCH THING

Flixix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I am so sick of hearing people saying "oh I/they got aggro because they healed my/their pet." Look lets get this straight the only reason they got aggro is because they attacked before their pet!

I go by a two strike rule, my pet has to attack twice before I attack. I can heal straight away though, I have NEVER got aggro from healing.

I have done this at lvl 90 with a lvl 65 pet! Yet some how I never got aggro.

If your herc has aggro on something that is not attacking melee with reflect damage being done, nor the herc hitting it, you will get healing aggro just like a cleric would. You should also try Astral in 2-2 and 2-3 where the hate against heals is even more emphasized on the adds that spawn. You simply do not know what you're talking about here.

Bramble alone is enough to keep aggro off a veno provided the mob actually has consistent damage being done. If their HP goes back to full, the aggro pretty much resets, and a heal will pull it. I constantly pull groups of mobs in FF, for example, that do melee damage (say, the 2 groups before the Messenger of Fear, running them to the shade), my herc cannot hit every single one of them before healing, I do it anyways, and I don't ever get pet heal aggro. The person above me knows not what they are talking about either.

Say you're not in a squad. You don't lure, but you just decide to send your pet to tank a group. You will, in fact, get heal aggro if your pet has not personally attacked every one of those mobs in that group. If your pet has attacked them at least once, you will never get heal aggro from them unless it takes you like 10 minutes to kill them. Cause if they get irritated with you just healing and a whole group attacking, some will get mad and come get you. b:chuckle This be the fact.

Aka: What JanusZeal said.

Just to show that not all oraclers are noobs and not all non-oraclers actually know their class.

Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Please stop and *attempt* to think next time you pontificate on something you don't know about. It will help prevent you from looking like a bloody idiot, like you do now.

Sincerely, The Internet

+1. I like this post alot and i have nothing more to say on this thread b:chuckle.

hallsvaporaction wrote: »

This was my first healing aggro experience as a veno:
lvl58 pure mag toon with lvl58 c-mag and lvl53 heal soloing BH Farren.
2 Terrawraith Generals.
Single Bash on first mob; switched to second mob; single normal attack on second mob because Bash is in cooldown, didn't miss; switched back to first mob; healed pet only once, second mob came right after me. That was 1 attack and 1 heal as far as I'm concerned and the mob still came after me.

Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »

yes, there is such a thing as heal pet aggro. no reflect on the herc does not prevent this. also 1-2 normal hits from pet does not prevent it either. one bash does, for a while, but not indefinitely.

Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »

sigh. i just addressed this. go to those seaspray bladewolfs, put reflect on, and turn bash off, then send the herc into a swarm of them, even have it deliberately hit most. then heal a few times. the bramble alone is not enough to keep a melee mob on the pet unless it's been bashed *recently*. magic and ranged ones are no brainers.

All of the above. Most recent incident for me was a messed up pull and we got 3 mobs. I sent herc to hit the two extras once, then left it on the third target while I spam healed. Within 15 sec, the heal aggro was enough to cause one of the extra mobs to switch to me and kill me.

It also happens on Astralwalker. His aggro table resets when the adds spawn. When I was new to it, I would let the herc get a few hits in on Astral after the adds spawned, then switch to the add while I spam healed. After about 30 sec to 2 min, Astral would suddenly attack me and kill me. Now I either leave the herc on Astral, or have it switch back and hit him a few times every 15-20 seconds.

The most definitive instance was a test I was running on Qingzi when my veno was in the 60s. I had my pet tank him while I spam healed. I did nothing but heal. The other player was just monitoring so hadn't done any damage either. I goofed and stopped healing, and my pet died. Qingzi started attacking me, the other player started attacking him to try to get aggro. I stood there to let him take aggro. I must've stood there a good 30 seconds quaffing potions and hitting hp regen skills. The other player never managed to take aggro and I died. So all the healing I did in the minutes prior to the pet dying exceeded the aggro the other player was able to generate in 20-30 seconds or all-out attacking.

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is exactly the same process that happens to a cleric if they heal a tank before he attacks and gains aggro of every monster attacking him.

This is the most obvious form of heal agro anyone who says it doesn't exist please un-install PW now. It exists and is extremely common.

It exists.

Why?

Because the lvl 96 who has been playing this game since Beta says so.

Now go do something else.

P.s: If you really want explanation, I can give it to you XD;

Candeh_Love - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh Mal! Give it to me xD

Its a natural part of any magic user, my dear.

Any cleric that has a super strong heal when the tank hasn't gotten a good grab on the mobs will snatch agro.

Any wizard that accidentally overnukes on the same mob the tank is attacking, if there is more than one, can and possibly will agro all of them, including same mob.

Any archer. Well, jeeze.

Its all about threat, if it hasn't been stated eariler in the thread.

When your tank/pet hits on a mob, it is attempting to establish enough threat level in order for the mob to stay firmly on that target. If there is enough threat that is created, then other DDs/Clerics can attack/heal without the possibility of the mob switching due to powerful moves being made.

When you move before that pet/tank has enough threat on the mob, it will go to the next source of the most powerful magic/attack that is being made. For clerics, its your nuclear ironheart. For Venos, it is your maxed pet heal at the time. For archers, could it be the speed of your arrows?[lol] You, at that time, are creating more of a "threat" to your enemies than your pet. Because you are casting a more powerful attack/heal than the damage that is actually being done.

It happens. Even if you are a lvl 9x with a lvl 6x pet, if you allow your pet to gain enough threat onto the mob, then of course you're not going to take agro. But its a natural "oopsie" of the gain. Be proud that you have a strong magic/attack, and learn how to time/nerf your attacks and heals and to, for God's sake, let your tank/pet get the threat level it needs.

That's enough explanation for you, Candeh?

I know i was attacking multible mobs which requiered much pet heals. After several heals, even after your pet has established aggro, some mobs break off from pet and head towards you.

Healing agro does most definitly exist, however in the context that the OP described was simply a case of healing too early.

To pull agro with healing, you need to heal many many times the amount of damage being inflicted. This is the sort of thing you might notice when for example you are fighting several mobss, and you get your pet to hit each of the other mobs to get them all agrod, then start beinging down the first one and healing.

If they are big mobs and the fight takes a long time, you will eventualy find one of the adds will start attacking the veno who is healing, if you dont re-agro the monster a bit.

This isnt a common situation, since most fights are well over before this happens, but one place where it pops up is astralwalker. Mostly it doesnt ever happen to me personally because my herc keeps agro on eerything with thorns. Astralwalker is ranged, hence the agro problem.

I THINK I've read through the whole thread - but somehow I missed the post where the OP came in and admitted she was wrong?

How a veno got to lvl 90 without somehow pulling a heal aggro astounds me. She's either :

1.) Lucky as hell

2.) Patient as hell

3.) Made out of candy.

Level 90 veno saying there's no such thing as heal aggro.... funny thread.

I can count plenty of times where I wasn't paying attention while leveling lower level air/water pets and was just spam healing the pet while I read a book or something only to glance up and see whatever my pet was fighting chasing me down.

Alternatively, get a herc and take it to those lizards in land of buried bones. Then have it mob about 7 or so (you can even have it attack each of them once) and start to spam heals. Eventually reflect won't be enough and some of them are gonna run right at you.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I THINK I've read through the whole thread - but somehow I missed the post where the OP came in and admitted she was wrong?

How a veno got to lvl 90 without somehow pulling a heal aggro astounds me. She's either :

1.) Lucky as hell

2.) Patient as hell

3.) Made out of candy.

I was going to suggest oracles but someone beat me to it...

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Or this option

4 .) Oracle'd to 90 and was never in a situation she'd steal aggro through healing

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Yeah, that oracle mob sure never heal aggros, so it must not exist. b:chuckle

Well when you're a veno oracling up to 90, especially depending on the oracle, the oracle mob is the only mob around. ;D It's very rare you steal aggro from your pet through heal aggro when you're only attacking one mob to begin with.

Congrats, but you're logic to try and twist my argument failed.