Why, Mr. Barb? WHY?!

Aclucius - Lost City
Aclucius - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
edited February 2010 in General Discussion
Okay, so long story short, I was doing BH/FB39 when the funniest thing happened. I'll just let the screenshots talk for themselves. No worries, I blacked out all names related to the event, except mine, so the people who I was in squad with will know who they are if they see this, but no one else will.

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx242/ACLucius/2010-02-2119-46-21.jpg
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http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx242/ACLucius/2010-02-2119-29-59.jpg
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http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx242/ACLucius/2010-02-2119-29-50.jpg

So, basically it came down to me sticking around just so I could stealth out after these people decided to fight Calcid without a cleric, when they were still low enough to have a cleric be necessary. By the way, in the pic with the Barbarians gear, all of them were completely normal. No extra stats, nothing above 1*, just regular NPC bought.

Let this also be a lesson for all. Just because you are a tank, and just because you can solo FB19, you are not invincible, you can still die easily to a boss mob around your level, and cookies are good.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    *pretends to care*
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  • FruityMelons - Heavens Tear
    FruityMelons - Heavens Tear Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I was kind of hoping to see the "after" screen shots too.
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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Where the screen shot of barb died ? b:laugh
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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I agree that the barb was severely undergeared. Probably didn't know better... What's your excuse? Honestly you shouldn't have allowed this to happen, and you knew well in advance where things were headed.

    IMO you appear as much more of a noob than the barb did.
  • Poniard - Heavens Tear
    Poniard - Heavens Tear Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I kinda wanted to see pictures of everyone dead...
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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I kinda wanted to see pictures of everyone dead...

    Good thing we won't ever squad together...
  • Aclucius - Lost City
    Aclucius - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I tried to get screenshots of the deaths, but I don't think they logged because they weren't in the folder.

    @MANray

    Actually, I did try to talk them out of it. I had told them it was going to be impossible for him to tank without a cleric. He then suggested a wizard in the squad to heal him, which both the wizard and I both said would not work. He continued to insist he could tank even though I told him he could not, causing the wizard to leave before I even started taking screenshots. In one of the screenshots, you even see me tell him that soloing FB19 means nothing compared to FB39.

    My choices to this were simple. Either leave the squad, yelling "Noob" all the way out of the dungeon, or stick around, watch it, and post here for entertainment value. Unless you expected me to somehow drag him and his archer friend out of the dungeon, sit them down, and give them a time-out for thinking they could. I've given you my "excuse," so please, based on what I have told you, explain what you would have done.
  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Also, I love how whoever that was thinks a 6x and a 4x can kill a 9x. Sorry to break it to you buddy, but no amount of coordination or tactics is going to help when you do two digits of damage to them, and they do four or five to you.
  • JadeFarmer - Dreamweaver
    JadeFarmer - Dreamweaver Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I did BH 39 today with my level 56 archer without a cleric and it went very smoothly.

    Squad was 3 phy's 1 wiz 1 bm and 1 archer all level 5x.
    It is better to remain silent and be thought the fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
  • Aclucius - Lost City
    Aclucius - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Also, I love how whoever that was thinks a 6x and a 4x can kill a 9x. Sorry to break it to you buddy, but no amount of coordination or tactics is going to help when you do two digits of damage to them, and they do four or five to you.

    Well, to be fair, the 5x in the squad besides me was also an Assassin who was doubting the Barb's ability to tank. It was only the Archer and Barb who were thinking they could do any of this, and also thinking they could take down a 9x.
  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    told the wizard to tank calcid (and later herc) they CAN tank those bosses, I tank them all the time.
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  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited February 2010
  • Aclucius - Lost City
    Aclucius - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    told the wizard to tank calcid (and later herc) they CAN tank those bosses, I tank them all the time.

    I have tanked all three bosses in there as well. I'm not saying it can't be done. However, I am saying a level 47 Barb with nothing but health pots cannot tank it. If he had charm, I could see it happening. If he had manufactured pots, possibly. If he had a cleric to heal him, definitely. However, a 47 Barb with only regular health pots cannot.

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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I tried to get screenshots of the deaths, but I don't think they logged because they weren't in the folder.

    @MANray

    Actually, I did try to talk them out of it. I had told them it was going to be impossible for him to tank without a cleric. He then suggested a wizard in the squad to heal him, which both the wizard and I both said would not work. He continued to insist he could tank even though I told him he could not, causing the wizard to leave before I even started taking screenshots. In one of the screenshots, you even see me tell him that soloing FB19 means nothing compared to FB39.

    My choices to this were simple. Either leave the squad, yelling "Noob" all the way out of the dungeon, or stick around, watch it, and post here for entertainment value. Unless you expected me to somehow drag him and his archer friend out of the dungeon, sit them down, and give them a time-out for thinking they could. I've given you my "excuse," so please, based on what I have told you, explain what you would have done.

    You're right and i may have been somewhat harsh in my judgement. I apologize. It was the SS of you talking the other sin into staying that made me suspect you may have encouraged this. Yes, if you had already warned them about the outcome then you're blameless in this.
  • BloodFire - Harshlands
    BloodFire - Harshlands Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I did BH 39 today with my level 56 archer without a cleric and it went very smoothly.

    Squad was 3 phy's 1 wiz 1 bm and 1 archer all level 5x.
    See it's all about having a team show knows how to play their class. Like this poster ^^
  • Aclucius - Lost City
    Aclucius - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You're right and i may have been somewhat harsh in my judgement. I apologize. It was the SS of you talking the other sin into staying that made me suspect you may have encouraged this. Yes, if you had already warned them about the outcome then you're blameless in this.

    Thank you, I appreciate you saying so. I understand though how that could have made it look like I was sticking around just to see something funny without trying to help them first.

    @BloodFire

    Very true. I am still wondering on how that squad would have done it, whether it be switching aggro between each other, using the Psychic's to heal, or any combination of those with a charm.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Very true. I am still wondering on how that squad would have done it, whether it be switching aggro between each other, using the Psychic's to heal, or any combination of those with a charm.

    Level 6X archer can easily tank calcid on HP foods or with a wiz heal. A 5X could do the same to be honest.... and this comes from my own experience running 39s with no cleric on a 5X archer pre-tideborn. Between using pots well, wings of grace (damage reduction affects DoTs) and a wiz healing, that archer would have to really suck to be unable to tank Calcid charm or no charm.

    As for the killing 9X thing, that I find amusing. Maybe they could kill a pure mag with bad gears or who doesn't shard with garnets.... but for anything else they don't have a chance regardless of how god they think they are.
  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I did BH 39 today with my level 56 archer without a cleric and it went very smoothly.

    Squad was 3 phy's 1 wiz 1 bm and 1 archer all level 5x.
    Three psychics rotate casting Bubble of Life, wizard for emergencies or if the Bubbles can't keep up I suppose.
  • Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear
    Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Is anyone else sensing the sarcasm from the other people in the squad? b:surprised

    Or is that just me.
  • El_Tigre - Raging Tide
    El_Tigre - Raging Tide Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Me did FB39 on lvl 51 together with other barbarian lvl 35 and archer lvl 27 (LOL). Took us 4 hours (more LOL).
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    well here is the thing obviously you werent even willing to try to help the barb out for the simple matter of fact that you are how high i know on my sin i am constantly stealing agro from barbs not to mention BloodPaint is more then enough to help me stay alibe while tanking bosses. you obviously just stood around doing nothing which ended up causing such issues.
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  • Aclucius - Lost City
    Aclucius - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    well here is the thing obviously you werent even willing to try to help the barb out for the simple matter of fact that you are how high i know on my sin i am constantly stealing agro from barbs not to mention BloodPaint is more then enough to help me stay alibe while tanking bosses. you obviously just stood around doing nothing which ended up causing such issues.

    Well, first off, as I said, I tried to tell him he could not tank this boss using only pots. He however, insisted on it, no matter how much I told him he couldn't.

    Second, I use Bloodpaint all the time, it alone is not enough to keep any class alive at that level while tanking a boss unless you happen to be talking about the FB19 bosses. Even if we assume you are doing 1.5k damage on normal attacks, you would still be getting about 30 hp per hit. With a standard of 5 hits every 4 seconds, you are getting 150 hp every 4 seconds, and bosses do more than that to me even when I have other class buffs.

    Now I could tank using only Bloodpaint, Life Powder, Second Wind, and some pots and instant heal pots. However, if I were going to do that, I would just solo the BH and get all the drops for myself, at least taking off what I would have to pay in repairs and pot replacements.

    No, I did not stand around doing nothing. I did what a DD is supposed to do and avoid taking aggro from the one who is tanking. The archer didn't do that as she died before the tank. Then the Barb died, which put Calcid on me then. Because of the reasons I stated, I went stealth, and saved myself after they both died.

    Do not blame me for the mistake of someone else. It was the Barb, not me, who did not take advice and get a cleric. It was the Barb, not me, insisted on tanking without a cleric. Yes, I could have easily stolen aggro, just as the archer could easily have stolen aggro from me.

    It's a vicious circle, and it comes down to the fact that there was no cleric because the Barb refused to just wait and go get one. I was 58 at that time, the archer was 66. Tell me, who is more likely to deal more damage? The archer was skill spamming, and I know for a fact I can do about 58% more damage with a bow's normal attacks as I can with daggers. So, do the math, you'll see aggro would have been taken off of me anyways, because neither of them knew what they should have done. The archer should have controlled her aggro, the barb should have gotten a cleric or charm at least.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    well here is the thing obviously you werent even willing to try to help the barb out for the simple matter of fact that you are how high i know on my sin i am constantly stealing agro from barbs not to mention BloodPaint is more then enough to help me stay alibe while tanking bosses. you obviously just stood around doing nothing which ended up causing such issues.

    Bloodpaint is dependent on how much damage you deal. It's not really that great of a skill until you get fists/claws and stack interval and high refines. If you have highly refined fists/claws and a bit of -interval... bloodpaint is so broken.
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