vs a sin

Venos beat sins in duels because of Bramble. That's all there is to it.

In open PvP, it's different, and sins are broken OP.

Well, I don't know what you guys are going through, but it takes a massive and higher level assassin to take me out. Since when they come after me it's like attacking a rock with spikes. Assassins find out very quickly they've picked the wrong target and quickly flee or they're done for. b:surrender

Though I suppose a nice assassin gank is fine too.

I do thank the OP for posting his/her strategy, it's always good to know what other people are doing. My 2 cents;

I agree on defend as a pet strategy, getting a bleed in is always good and can make the difference against oponents without high hp. Not so sure about crush however, although it hits for decent damage sins can stealth out and wait it out. Also, their insane chi generation (including instant gain) can make it something of a moot point, especially as using 2 sparks at the begining of the fight pretty much commits you to a strategy that relies on you landing a stun.

I would myself fight the urge to go fox, as it simply won't provide enough protection. Fox skills basically means duking it out with a melee class that can stunlock you and has plenty of teleports to handle the fight's pace, even if you manage big hits (let's not forget charms and Deaden Nerves). Also the dps differential is a killer even if you land Befuddling Mist.

Personally i'm more of the idea of going caster. Fortify and Bramble Hood, start potting like crazy. Absolute Domain and Feral Concentration for higher levels. Then Blazing (for the DoT in case the sin stealths out) and Lucky if you can get it in. It's a choice of Noxius (once again for the DoT) or Ironwood after that. If sin sticks around you may get a few nukes in and get him on the spot. If he uses Shadow Escape i'd be using Foxform for round two and "flee". This may force him to attack sooner than he would have (good if you landed DoTs) and in rushing his attack he may not be using some of his worse skills. Stunning blow then Leech, back to Caster for the coup. He stealths out and you go back to Fox. Wash, rinse, repeat. the good thing about pretending to escape is you'll know where he'll be coming from. Bad thing is in all likelyhood he'll get a couple of hits in. You need to be ready for that. Keeping Fortify unleveled comes in handy for the energy cost, you should be able to manage using it twice. Once is out the escape part is for real.

Truth is, escaping is probably a good outcome if he catches you unawares in the field. Can't do it right away but would have to play it smart, i would try using the same strategy i outlined above except i would actually be trying to flee. Right now i'm 50/50 with sins although i haven't pvp'd much. They certainly have the upper hand and i must admit my few victories were not long after they came out, in all likelyhood against overeager oraclers. The fox bit i only tried once.

Now, this is my take on the subject. Hope it helps and if i'm doing something terribly noobish please do point it out. I may be wasting my time with the DoTs but so far the idea seems solid to me.

Edit; Lol'd i just realized that for being the veno with the worst record against sins on the thread, i did write the longest post with advice. It's a bit embarrasing...

2nd Edit;@Axt; Yikes! i didn't realize they got rid of bleed when they went stealth. Does that mean my DoT bit is completely useless?

as stated above, u only win cuz of

1. bramble (the **** reduce 80% and reflects 200% and only works in duel=
or
2. ur HA.
3. absolute domain, federal (cant spell)

in a duel it is, imo.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »

depends on what sage demon skills the veno has, and how good the sin is =P

^demon summer sprint

or..you could be a **** and expel the sin when the timer is at 1 second b:chuckle

expel wont work in stealth.. o_o, it will however work when they smack you :P

well.. and experiences ones wont start unstealthed b:thanksb:surrender

for me there are a few options to beat a sin, dueld a friend of mine, she gets my hp down really damn far, while I couldn't attack because of stun/sleep/whatever it is.

in both ways sin will stun/sleep me.

option 1: duel starts, bramble hood right away > sin keeps attacking > dead sin, or they wait and your pet finishes them off.

option 2: let the sin rage out till you can attack again, might use a pot if needed > soul transfusion, finish them off.

both works fine for me. second way works for since I'm a vit/arcane build. ^^'

I don't know why deuls are even being discussed; they are just for fun. In real PK you stand almost no chance vs a good sin right now.

And yes DoT is useless; if they feel like its doing to much damage they force stealth and wipe negative status effects. Then they wait until your anti-stun - w/e runs out, spark, teleport + stun you; you never see it coming.

If you can stun a sin, he wasn't a good sin.

Skill: Maze steps.

Increases own movement speed by 100%,
Immune to Stun and Immobilize. Lasts for 10 seconds

10 second anti-stun.

Even demon summer sprint doesn't have such long anti-stun.

what i see here are mostly low lvl duels and unexperienced sins. only a stupid sin will stay and fight when bramble hood is up.
i can give you some tips tho... vacuity powder, demon summer sprint, occult ice, seal, air strand. absolute domain doesnt worth the energy for only 4 seconds damage immunity. does expel works on enemies, in real pk?