cash shop QQ

Traikers - Dreamweaver · February 2010

All i hear over and over is QQ'ing from non cash shoppers about cash shoppers and on and on. You guys have the same opportunities IRL and in game to do these things. Yes it'll take you a litle longer but the end result is the same. I mean what do you do IRL if someone you know has a nicer car or house than you do? Just walk around aimlessly muttering about he has more opportunity than you? Do you move neighborhoods? Same concept as quitting this F2P for another. Any game you go to is gonna have the same problems, so leave PWI if you don't like it but i promise you'll be just as upset when the next F2P you go to is the same way. Lots of people, including myself, work very hard for what they earn and if they want to spend a little money or a lot of money on the game they like playing don't try and make them sound like bad people. Please. We are not monsters just because we spend money on this game,

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver · February 2010

All I hear over and over is QQ'ing from cash shoppers about non cash shoppers QQ'ing about cash shoppers and on and on.

GTFO kthxbai. b:bye

Saitada - Sanctuary · February 2010

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »

All I hear over and over is QQ'ing from cash shoppers about peopel QQ'ing about cash shoppers and on and on.

GTFO kthxbai. b:bye

NO kthxbai. b:bye

~S

MANray_ - Sanctuary · February 2010

What is this? Another attempt at making a flawed analogy with irl? Allow me to quote John Steinbeck; "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage."

I'll translate for the uneducated; Stop treating with contempt those less fortunate than you. Alienating people who may find it harder to put their hard earned money in a computer game speaks ill of whoever educated you.

And since i'm well aware someone might make this personal; Yea, i'm cheap. I find it hard to invest more money in an f2p than i would in a p2p. A couple of hundred bucks i'd rather spend in a weekend on London or Barcelona, or even on a night out in the cantina with my friends, than on pixels.

maocchi · February 2010

Just because you are less fortunate doesn't mean you should be sitting on your **** playing a video game and QQing about those more fortunate.

I'm sorry that I have spare money to spend on a game and you don't. Either do something about it or stop QQing.

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear · February 2010

I spend money on this game like most people i can but i see it from both sides.

Cash shoppers can buy their levels and get what ever they want, most people say non cash shoppers are lazy and don't work but what about those with children or those that cannot work are they lazy too?

The reason people complain is because the advantage you get from spending money on the game is far bigger than what it should be, before packs came cash shoppers and non cash shoppers were alot happier and things were far more equal as soon as they came a % of cash shoppers became arrogant because they want it easier than they already had it and a high % of non cash shoppers became annoyed at the advantage the cash shoppers were being given.

EDIRT: The arrogance i was speaking about is clearly visible above my post.

Alvena - Sanctuary · February 2010

Spend all you want on the damn game, Just dont mess up in my squad

b:chuckle

Altros - Sanctuary · February 2010

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I spend money on this game like most people i can but i see it from both sides.

Cash shoppers can buy their levels and get what ever they want, most people say non cash shoppers are lazy and don't work but what about those with children or those that cannot work are they lazy too?

The reason people complain is because the advantage you get from spending money on the game is far bigger than what it should be, before packs came cash shoppers and non cash shoppers were alot happier and things were far more equal as soon as they came a % of cash shoppers became arrogant because they want it easier than they already had it and a high % of non cash shoppers became annoyed at the advantage the cash shoppers were being given.

EDIRT: The arrogance i was speaking about is clearly visible above my post.

^this^
I cash shop as well, but not excessivly, and also a lot less once the packs came out due to sheer annoyance with pw. For all the people who think they is special cus they have the extra hundreds to thousands of dollars to lvl their character fast, grats u spent money that u could have gotten a life with, on a some pieces of code in a game that u can't use irl.

Hemira - Lost City · February 2010

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I spend money on this game like most people i can but i see it from both sides.

Cash shoppers can buy their levels and get what ever they want, most people say non cash shoppers are lazy and don't work but what about those with children or those that cannot work are they lazy too?

The reason people complain is because the advantage you get from spending money on the game is far bigger than what it should be, before packs came cash shoppers and non cash shoppers were alot happier and things were far more equal as soon as they came a % of cash shoppers became arrogant because they want it easier than they already had it and a high % of non cash shoppers became annoyed at the advantage the cash shoppers were being given.

EDIRT: The arrogance i was speaking about is clearly visible above my post.

This is quite true. Before the packs, cash shoppers had an advantage, yes, but not enough to totally outpower those who didn't charge. I prefered those times. All the hard long time it took to level for my higher level friends to get to thier said higher levels, is a breeze for any cash shopper these days.

I also charge, though only occasionally, and I don't hyper exp or anything of the sort. I see things from the side of those who can't charge, and prefer the "old school" type of leveling of doing quests and grinding.

And unfortunately, the aggrogance, so nicely exampled by maocchi [/sarcasm] , is showing up more and more often.

Airyll - Dreamweaver · February 2010

I spend money on this game because it is my choice if I do so or not. I do it because I can, because I feel like it, because maybe I want that piece of fashion there, or would like to get my veno a Herc.

The fact is, however, I personally work hard for my money. I do not speak on behalf of all cash shoppers here, but I can promise you that my money is hard earned. It is my choice what I spend it on, and if I spend it on a game, I would appreciate if you did not call me lazy. Why?

Because if I was lazy I wouldn't get paid, thus I wouldn't have any money to put on this game, period.

I am not trying to be ignorant, but people need to stop saying all cash shoppers are lazy good for nothing people who buy their levels. I haven't bought myself a single level - my gold went towards a Herc, or fashion, or a mount, or sold in game so I could get myself gear to be used at my current level or in the near future. Yes, I have an advantage over non-CSers, but this does not make me lazy.

Nor does it make me better than some non-CSer either and I never claimed it did.

But there is arrogance on both sides of this coin, all of which is unnecessary and in many places, totally unfounded.

Cash shoppers have a bigger advantage then ever, I agree.
Non cash shoppers have a harder time on this game than they used to, I agree.
This doesn't mean I will stand around and let you accuse me of being lazy, or being some rich person who pours all of my money on this game 24/7 and buys all my levels.

maocchi · February 2010

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I spend money on this game like most people i can but i see it from both sides.

Cash shoppers can buy their levels and get what ever they want, most people say non cash shoppers are lazy and don't work but what about those with children or those that cannot work are they lazy too?

The reason people complain is because the advantage you get from spending money on the game is far bigger than what it should be, before packs came cash shoppers and non cash shoppers were alot happier and things were far more equal as soon as they came a % of cash shoppers became arrogant because they want it easier than they already had it and a high % of non cash shoppers became annoyed at the advantage the cash shoppers were being given.

EDIRT: The arrogance i was speaking about is clearly visible above my post.

Oh goodie the old "but I have children!" and "but I can't work even if I wanted to!" excuses. Boohoohoo. Here's an idea; if you have children, turn off your computer, go confront your kids, and go outside with them to spend time with them. It's lot more productive and meaningful than playing a game and crying about how people whom you don't even know have more money to spend on a game than you and how they level faster. Certainly no video game is more important than you children. And before anyone says they play this game for moments of relief, what the hell are you complaining about cash shoppers for if you are here to just PLAY? Because I assume you'd have to be competitive to feel that you are at an disadvantage.

Also, what kind of situation allows you to play an online game yet disallows you to have a job? Oh wait I think I know...shouldn't you be doing your homework?

I'm sorry if you feel that cash shoppers are at a great advantage. That's the way this game is working and there's nothing I can do about it. I use gold to buy fashion, mounts, dragon orbs, and any left over goes into improving my gear. I am competitive. I try to keep up and surpass others and that's not limited to just in this game. I use money to cover for the little time I can spend in game. Please note however, that I never intended on making non cash shoppers feel the way they do. I'm simply sick of being looked down on because I spend money on this game, and so I retaliate.

Altros - Sanctuary wrote: »

^this^
I cash shop as well, but not excessivly, and also a lot less once the packs came out due to sheer annoyance with pw. For all the people who think they is special cus they have the extra hundreds to thousands of dollars to lvl their character fast, grats u spent money that u could have gotten a life with, on a some pieces of code in a game that u can't use irl.

Oh you are a smart one aren't you? The foolish generalization of cash shoppers and "some pieces of code in a game that u can't use irl" comment leak of epic amount of horse ****.

What exactly are we doing with "pieces of code" if we aren't using them? What do you think you are using to type such idiotic comment? Piece of plastic? Please stop being fail.

Hemira - Lost City wrote: »

This is quite true. Before the packs, cash shoppers had an advantage, yes, but not enough to totally outpower those who didn't charge. I prefered those times. All the hard long time it took to level for my higher level friends to get to thier said higher levels, is a breeze for any cash shopper these days.

I also charge, though only occasionally, and I don't hyper exp or anything of the sort. I see things from the side of those who can't charge, and prefer the "old school" type of leveling of doing quests and grinding.

And unfortunately, the aggrogance, so nicely exampled by maocchi [/sarcasm] , is showing up more and more often.

Nobody is forcing anybody to level faster. If you prefer old school leveling, by all means. Again, you'd have to be competitive to feel that you are at a disadvantage. And I'm sorry, whoever has more money to spend will always have an advantage. It's the same everywhere and it's just part of life.

Yulk - Heavens Tear · February 2010

I agree with the OP, cash shop is cash shop, cash shoppers are meant. We spend real money on the game, not ingame coins.

This is all cash shop stuff, if you want cash shop items, just buy them with your own money, coins or real life. No sense QQing whatsoever.

Market-wise, we get so rich, its awesome. Even spending $10 USD for market gives me 4 million coins. You don't have to take forever to get that much.

Equipment-wise, yeah we can make our own armors and stuff, but guess what? you can too, learn to grind. Refines to make them stronger at least, dragon orbs ftw

Consumable-wise, charms and jiaozi we get... but Apothecary is better than MP charms, hands down. But we can get a lot more herbs with marketing ways b:cool

Performance-wise, this is just fair game, its just that we might have higher refines than you. Some cash shoppers, such as myself, don't rely on refines that much. In PVP, if you fight a cash shopper that have refines, your supposed to lose, unless that opponent you fight is pure failure or a huge lag xD.

Leveling-wise, worst way to level up, hyper exp noobs = fail

But if this is all another senseless and stupid PVP rant, inb4lock?

Vintersun - Sanctuary · February 2010

maocchi wrote: »

Wall of text!

I personally don't think its the CS which makes the game bad, If you have money and want to spend them on pixels sure do so. The problem of this game is players like the one which wrote this nice wall of text. Players that is arogant, and try to make everyone feel bad because He/She is so damn great!

maocchi · February 2010

If I can make people feel bad just for speaking out my mind, then I am indeed great. I will plague this game and maybe then, there will be less sissies who can't talk sense.

Aclucius - Lost City · February 2010

People who don't use Cash Shop are flying coach, while Cash Shoppers are flying first class. You get what you pay for. If you paid for coach (paying only for internet and a computer) then you get to fly coach. If you pay for first class (internet, computer, and Cash Shop items) then you get more comfortable seats, better atmosphere, and all the other benefits.

It's simple. Don't complain because people who use their money are getting through the game faster. After all, seeing as they are putting money into it, they deserve to progress faster.

By the way, this is coming from a non Cash Shopper. There is no need to complain about any of this.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · February 2010

Anyone is free to spend whatever they may on a computer game. To me this isn't about CS balance (which i do think is flawed). What pisses me off about this kind of posts is that they rely on offensive generalizations. Comparing any situation ingame with real life poverty is an abomination. What, do you think people living in war torn countries have a chance to improve their lot in life? Do you believe kids born with aids in Africa have the same oportunities as people in the developed world? Do you think the people that risk their lives crossing the border just to to get any job that they can find are what? lazy?

And yes, PWI's revenue model relies in providing free access to the game. People that may not be able to afford playing an MMO, but nonetheless have internet access, do provide paying customers their company and a better environment. You may disagree with PWIs policy (in which case there are plenty of p2ps where absolutely no one is a "freeloader") or you may actually be playing this game because you would never cut it on a level field. In any case treat other players with respect. Complaint about people's qqing without making any references to people's irl situation which you know nothing about. You only humilliate yourself, as to people like me you only show yourselves as nouveau riche, trust me i'd rather you think me destitute than that...

People who are set for life may be scammed out of their life savings. Someone may be injured in his youth. Tragedy may wipe a family's estate. No matter how much money you have or how smart or hard working you may be no one has the absolute certainty they will never join the poor.

Gasoline - Lost City · February 2010

Traikers - Dreamweaver wrote: »

All i hear over and over is QQ'ing from non cash shoppers about cash shoppers and on and on. You guys have the same opportunities IRL and in game to do these things. Yes it'll take you a litle longer but the end result is the same. I mean what do you do IRL if someone you know has a nicer car or house than you do? Just walk around aimlessly muttering about he has more opportunity than you? Do you move neighborhoods? Same concept as quitting this F2P for another. Any game you go to is gonna have the same problems, so leave PWI if you don't like it but i promise you'll be just as upset when the next F2P you go to is the same way. Lots of people, including myself, work very hard for what they earn and if they want to spend a little money or a lot of money on the game they like playing don't try and make them sound like bad people. Please. We are not monsters just because we spend money on this game,

I use cash shop myself when needed like majority of higher lvls, i do occasionally complain about the unbalance in game between massive cash shoppers and people that actually try to achieve stuff by playing the game. Cant go around and fool ourselves here, its not like this in many others f2p.

Name one MMO where you can get max lvl, all endgame gear, best weapon, all skills in a few weeks from just using a credit card. I dont know a single one and i played several. Mostly in MMOs its just fashion, maybe some kind of pets/mounts, a version of draco orbs/refine items and exp scrolls. You cant get max lvl and best gear in the game from cash shop.

I agree that cash shoppers should have benefits and advantage. If you cant no-life and play 24/7, have a job etc you should be able to catch up and even get ahead in lvls + gear using irl money, but it has to be some balance.

Achieving stuff by actually playing the game is very time consuming and not beneficial, while just using a credit card for the same thing is far to easy. There should be a little bit more balanced between people that spend months trying to lvl or farm stuff and ppl that can get the same stuff in 1 day using a few 100$$.

Bowlinbob - Lost City · February 2010

^ agreedb:victory

maocchi · February 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Anyone is free to spend whatever they may on a computer game. To me this isn't about CS balance (which i do think is flawed). What pisses me off about this kind of posts is that they rely on offensive generalizations. Comparing any situation ingame with real life poverty is an abomination. What, do you think people living in war torn countries have a chance to improve their lot in life? Do you believe kids born with aids in Africa have the same oportunities as people in the developed world? Do you think the people that risk their lives crossing the border just to to get any job that they can find are what? lazy?

And yes, PWI's revenue model relies in providing free access to the game. People that may not be able to afford playing an MMO, but nonetheless have internet access, do provide paying customers their company and a better environment. You may disagree with PWIs policy (in which case there are plenty of p2ps where absolutely no one is a "freeloader") or you may actually be playing this game because you would never cut it on a level field. In any case treat other players with respect. Complaint about people's qqing without making any references to people's irl situation which you know nothing about. You only humilliate yourself, as to people like me you only show yourselves as nouveau riche, trust me i'd rather you think me destitute than that...

People who are set for life may be scammed out of their life savings. Someone may be injured in his youth. Tragedy may wipe a family's estate. No matter how much money you have or how smart or hard working you may be no one has the absolute certainty they will never join the poor.

I don't believe anybody who play this game live in poverty. If they did, they'd have much bigger issues to worry about than a game balance. Like how to survive the next day.

Nastassiya - Sanctuary · February 2010

And you forget... they shouldn't even have the internet... unless they leach wi-fi

Ilwyn_ - Dreamweaver · February 2010

All I see in your little diatribe is, "I'm rich, so this is for the 'poor' people who complain about the prices because they, unlike me, can handle their money a little better and do not like to spend 40 bucks on a pixellated mount. Therefore they are inferior. I am the best because I do not like the poor and I spend all my money in a week. Wah wah waaah."

Do you know how many people I see riding those $60 and more mounts? What about that snake thing they released for 70 dollars? ONE PERSON. As for nein beasts, I see a few of those running around archosaur, just not in droves like the polar bear and the panther. I haven't even seen a Chubbs yet. With this recession, and the amount of gorgeous things in the cash shop, do you really think you're going to stop us from complaining? We're not all Bill Gates' nieces and nephews, you know. We work hard, too. PWI's prices are rather exaggerated, but it's a free to play game. They have to get their money somehow.

I buy whatever I can in COINS, and I've only actually given PW my money twice. One was for a mount, the other was for some fashion. And I'm making enough now by simply selling mats and herbs, and whatever else I snatch up. I'm not going to make 24 mil in the next month, unless I dig up a gold mine, but that's the way it is for me, and whoever else can spend their money on better things than a game. 40 bucks not spent in PW can buy me a movie, Arby's, and arcade games with my friends.

Solandri - Heavens Tear · February 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Comparing any situation ingame with real life poverty is an abomination. What, do you think people living in war torn countries have a chance to improve their lot in life? Do you believe kids born with aids in Africa have the same oportunities as people in the developed world? Do you think the people that risk their lives crossing the border just to to get any job that they can find are what? lazy?

Actually, after watching decades of attempts by the UN and other countries at nation-building, I've come to the conclusion that the only really effective means to improve a nation comes from within. Its people have to collectively decide that they want things to improve, and then take steps to improve it. If they have the attitude that "oh I'm so screwed because my country is war-torn or in famine or oppressed by other countries, and there's nothing I can do about it," then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and nothing will change.

Most of my extended family moved to this country 20-30 years ago with just a few thousand dollars. Some of them now own and run multi-million dollar companies. Trying to accomplish something doesn't guarantee success, but not trying does guarantee failure. In that respect, I think the comparisons of in-game situations with RL are valid.

And yes, PWI's revenue model relies in providing free access to the game. People that may not be able to afford playing an MMO, but nonetheless have internet access, do provide paying customers their company and a better environment. You may disagree with PWIs policy (in which case there are plenty of p2ps where absolutely no one is a "freeloader") or you may actually be playing this game because you would never cut it on a level field. In any case treat other players with respect.

Correct. From what I can tell, very few cash shoppers spend all their gold in the cash shop. If you as a cash shopper have ever sold gold through the auctioneer for coin, you need to thank a non-cash shopper for that coin. Just as non-cash shoppers need to thank cash shoppers for paying PWE money to keep the game operating. This isn't a parasite-host relationship, where one side is reaping all the benefits at the expense of the other. It's a symbiotic relationship, where both cash shoppers and non-cash shoppers benefit by the presence of the other.

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary · February 2010

i couldn't buy gold myself before wasn't allowed using credit card either ^^"
but well now that i can buy doesn't mean im gonna go spend everything i earned , but when i do buy gold i also help my friends get things they can't get cause they don't have options to buy gold , but i mean it some plp just spend money cause they worked hard for it and have some extra left, its there chose what they wanne do it with it

MANray_ - Sanctuary · February 2010

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Actually, after watching decades of attempts by the UN and other countries at nation-building, I've come to the conclusion that the only really effective means to improve a nation comes from within. Its people have to collectively decide that they want things to improve, and then take steps to improve it. If they have the attitude that "oh I'm so screwed because my country is war-torn or in famine or oppressed by other countries, and there's nothing I can do about it," then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and nothing will change.

Most of my extended family moved to this country 20-30 years ago with just a few thousand dollars. Some of them now own and run multi-million dollar companies. Trying to accomplish something doesn't guarantee success, but not trying does guarantee failure. In that respect, I think the comparisons of in-game situations with RL are valid.

I agree with you on this point Solandri, outside assistance is needed for many nations but remains far from being the most important factor. I would make an exception for war-torn countries however. People trying to keep their families alive through such environments cannot be expected to risk what little they have on behalf of abstract ideals. Peace is a requisite for any sort of material progress.

This doesn't mean one should ignore the historical, political and economic factors that yet mantain the larger part of mankind living under unacceptable conditions. I have nothing but respect for your family's experience but migration does present some problems of it's own. My country has lost a large part of it's workforce and it's youth to the "American dream". The costs that we as a society will pay for allowing this to happen will be dire, and it may take many generations for us to recover from this blow, as people are slowly starting to realize.

@ Everyone; Breaking the cycle of poverty remains mankind's most difficult challenge. I, for my part, have been raised to respect all people regardless of their standing in life. There are a few programs in my country designed to empower people through internet access. An MMO may seem a waste of time in the developed world, but for someone leaving in a remote comunity it may be their only chance to have contact with people from different backgrounds in an appealing and nonthreatening environment. The language and computer skills they may become familiar with while doing so, can one day prove an important advantage in their lives. I wouldn't begrudge this oportunity to a kid in Chiapas or Oaxaca, or indeed anywhere else in the world, including the rural regions of the United States. Ingame all that should matter is that you're a sociable and skilled player, not your credit card limit.

Yes, the people paying are the ones who support this game and yes, it is unreasonable to begrudge them what benefits come from this position. This doesn't mean players that enjoy such privileges are in any way entitled to look down or belittle those who at present find themselves in a less fortunate position.

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear · February 2010

maocchi wrote: »

Im better than you because i have more money blah blah blah.

Congratulations you proved my point right.

Alot of people play this game, alot spend money and some don't.

If you think because you spend money on the game that you are superior than you are more arrogant than i first thought. You no better than anyone else infact with the attitude you have upon your shoulders you are alot worse than other people.

I charge zen myself, like many other people and we dont assume we are better than those i don't. You charge zen to be better at this game and surpass others so im guessing you are extremely insecure about yourself. So much so that you need to buy pixelated items and do things over the internet to make yourself feel better.

How about a single mother with a new born? How do they comfort their child when they mostly sleep, are they supposed to hire a babysitter to look after them or ask family members to look after the child while she goes out and works? What about retired people? Disabled? The list goes on so you have no right to say how people should and shouldn't live.

The whole point of this game is to have fun, i charge zen to buy things that are fun not to increase the size of my e-peen like yourself.

Alot of people are competitive and like to be better but the way you describe it makes you sound obsessive, that you must be the best.

The advantage cash shoppers get is far to great, those who have never charged struggle more and more as time goes on. That is true not a personal opinion.

Cash shoppers are not looked down upon or hated. Those feelings are for the oracle idiots, those that have to buy their levels, probably like yourself cause you have so much and better than the rest of us, right?

At the end of the day a cash shopper is no better than a non cash shopper and vice-versa. So it gives no-one the right to claim the moral high ground over this, like ive said before note everyone is as fortunate as others.

This game is meant to be fun and enjoyable and a break from the struggles of reality. So people do not need people ramming down their throat the fact some people have more money than them.

Maragon - Dreamweaver · February 2010

Part of the problem here is that alot of non-cs players believe that the play between cs and non-cs should be completely balanced, which would eliminate the money making purposes of PW. The other side of the problem is that a lot of CSer's (just look over the last few pages to find some) seem to steriotype non-csers as all thinking that there should be a complete balance.

The game should be biased in favor of cash shoppers its just the nature of a F2P game. the game was fine before the anniversary packs came out as was mentioned. If you wanted to make some thing a bit easier on yourself you could buy mats, refining aids eso's etc. Or if you just wanted to look better and travel faster than anyone else. That is all fine. To be completely honest, the battle pet packs were the first step out of that small bias, but gold remained inexpensive so non-csers could still get a herc or pheonix without too much issue and everything was fine. Biased toward cash players but not to a huge extent, which is again what it should be.

When the packs showed up suddenly players with large amounts of money could just buy the packs till they got what they wanted. Gold prices rose 200-300% making it infeasible for a free player to easily get these but, at that time, the major items offered in the packs were still obtainable in the game from farming instances.

The huge mistake came when they took away the mat drops in Frost and changed it to a exp instance with weapons and gear randomly and rarely dropping, and made the good weapons from Frost unattainable without pack items. You cant farm for aquadash or Pan Gu's Giant axe or any of those. You can only hope for one of the others to drop like Gatherstorm and such.

To all those who will flame about this post, yes i know those items are not a necessity, yes i know I could just farm to get the 30-35 mil in coin for a Frost sign. but the point is to make much of the good gear only available to people that spend real money is not just biased it is one sided. No, I dont sit on my butt all day playing the game, Yes i do have a job but I dont want to spend a months worth of lunch just to get an end game item or 2.

I do not mean to complain about the cash shoppers themselves (except for those that have money flaunt it then write post complaining that the non cashplayers are sick of seeing their big head everywhere). I just want to try to point out the root of all the arguing. I may be wrong as I did not check but I would imagine that nearly 99% of the threads like this started showing up after anniversary packs. But really, none of us are in any position to change anything or to try to change the minds of the people that can. Lets live with it and move on.

Edit: no this is not another QQ about anni packs post either. They were just a huge step toward making the game very imbalanced. I am just using them as an example.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Since everyone can get any item from the cash shop with in-game coins, the relation between non-cash shoppers and cash shoppers is actualy balanced.

If all the items in cash shop were bound to the person buying them, and there was no way to buy gold in-game (like most other games out there), than one could say that cash shoppers did have an advantage.

If you do not believe my point, ask Solaris how much RL money he invested into this game for the Anni packs and how much money and items from the packs he got out of that 4 part event.

You do not have to use RL money to get anything you want in this game, you just have to play smart.

Airyll - Dreamweaver · February 2010

Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The huge mistake came when they took away the mat drops in Frost and changed it to a exp instance with weapons and gear randomly and rarely dropping, and made the good weapons from Frost unattainable without pack items. You cant farm for aquadash or Pan Gu's Giant axe or any of those. You can only hope for one of the others to drop like Gatherstorm and such.

Hate to say....

You can get those items. 2000 Past of the Frostcovered City drops will get you those items.

You can buy them for about 20k

This makes them about 20 million.

It's a steep price, but you can farm them if you're dedicated enough and you can buy them steadily over time should you want an FC weapon that badly.

maocchi · February 2010

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Congratulations you proved my point right.

Alot of people play this game, alot spend money and some don't.

If you think because you spend money on the game that you are superior than you are more arrogant than i first thought. You no better than anyone else infact with the attitude you have upon your shoulders you are alot worse than other people.

Attitude? I merely stated that people who choose not to spend any money should not complain about the people that do. Tell me how that equates to any kind of superiority. Non-cash shoppers are at a disadvantage because they choose not to spend money. That is a FACT and I stated it. Never once did I say that they are INFERIOR because they do not spend money. They are at a DISADVANTAGE. Look up a dictionary if you don't get the difference.

How about a single mother with a new born? How do they comfort their child when they mostly sleep, are they supposed to hire a babysitter to look after them or ask family members to look after the child while she goes out and works? What about retired people? Disabled? The list goes on so you have no right to say how people should and shouldn't live.

I do not tell people how to live. However there should be priorities in life and if complaining about people in a game is of higher priority for them, I have no remorse for whatever situation they are in.

The whole point of this game is to have fun, i charge zen to buy things that are fun not to increase the size of my e-peen like yourself.

And may I know what "things" you buy? I mentioned that I buy fashion, mounts, and gears. Since these things include the size of my e-peen according to you, there must be some secret aspect of the game that is spiritually and naturally "fun".

Alot of people are competitive and like to be better but the way you describe it makes you sound obsessive, that you must be the best.

Sorry if that's case. If I wanted to be the best I would cash shop my way to the top. I find competition fun and I want to be on the same grounds as people I play with despite having not as much time to authentically keep up with them. If that is obsessive, then I guess I am.

The advantage cash shoppers get is far to great, those who have never charged struggle more and more as time goes on. That is true not a personal opinion.

STRUGGLE WITH WHAT?
If you are playing for FUN there is nothing to STRUGGLE for. If the non-cash shopping way is nothing but struggle then it's time to look for alternatives.

Cash shoppers are not looked down upon or hated. Those feelings are for the oracle idiots, those that have to buy their levels, probably like yourself cause you have so much and better than the rest of us, right?

Keep calling names and making assumptions about myself. It's become clear that you can't have a discussion without personal insults.

At the end of the day a cash shopper is no better than a non cash shopper and vice-versa. So it gives no-one the right to claim the moral high ground over this, like ive said before note everyone is as fortunate as others.

Refer to the top of this post.

This game is meant to be fun and enjoyable and a break from the struggles of reality. So people do not need people ramming down their throat the fact some people have more money than them.

I agree. So non-cash shoppers need to STOP COMPLAINING and just ENJOY THE DAMN GAME. If they can't enjoy it because of the cash shoppers then THIS GAME IS NO LONGER ENJOYABLE FOR THEM. Time for plan B.

I know somebody will quote this post as "wall of text" or "blah blah blah" and if they want to be immature so be it. I don't give a *** anymore, it's hard to have a discussion without being flamed all the time here.

Ninnuam - Sanctuary · February 2010

This is stupid. Money will ALWAYS give you an advantage in ANY game, be if f2p or p2p for that matter.

Every other game on the market has chinese gold farmers selling in game gold/coin. Most games frown upon this; PWE on the other hand eliminated this problem by selling it themselves.

Bottom line, cash shoppers are not to blame for anything. They are the ones who keep the game free to everyone.

If you want to point fingers at someone, go diss out the company that started selling necessities instead of luxuries.

End of.

Altros - Sanctuary · February 2010

maocchi wrote: »

Oh you are a smart one aren't you? The foolish generalization of cash shoppers and "some pieces of code in a game that u can't use irl" comment leak of epic amount of horse ****.

What exactly are we doing with "pieces of code" if we aren't using them? What do you think you are using to type such idiotic comment? Piece of plastic? Please stop being fail.

I was only pointing out to the people who think they are special because they spend money on a game, I'm not saying its bad, just don't let it affect your ego.

maocchi wrote: »

Also, what kind of situation allows you to play an online game yet disallows you to have a job? Oh wait I think I know...shouldn't you be doing your homework?

Ok, that's a very narrow-minded point of view, if you have lived a secluded enough life to never see a person in a wheelchair, or someone who has been injured in some other way, then you have lived a better, but less full, life then I have. And by the way, I do have hw, and let me tell you, it does not stop me from having a job. A lot of college students prove that as well, so next time, if you're going to try to counter someone's arguments, use a better argument then they did; that's basic debating skills.

Edit was to add second comment and fix grammer/spelling :P

cash shop QQ

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